CSI (and other shows that distort the public’s understanding of the criminal justice system—see the CSI effect).
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Jurassic Park, the last like 5 have been the same rehashed ideas along with “big dinosaur how we kill it?”
I can't agree more with this. Wtf are they thinking.
Jurassic Park is one of my most favourite movies ever. Although they come not even close to the first one, I still rewatch 2 and 3 from time to time. But Jurassic World is a disaster for me. The second one was already so bad that it caused losing my whole interest for the World franchise.
I still cannot believe how much they butchered this franchise and the initial vision for the book and the movie.
The Simpsons. Used to be sensational but isn't anymore.
It's gone from losing my interest 20 years ago to flat out unwatchable. I saw an episode from the most recent season and it was neither funny nor interesting to watch. It's sad that one of the funniest shows ever has been past its prime for so long it's now an animated corpse of what it once was.
Omg I read “sensational” as a bad thing is it one of those words now
funny thing is Im pretty sure the last one I watched was worth watching but I no longer watch over the air real time and it was not streaming in an easy enough to do fashion so just sorta fell out of watching it.
For shame for you to say that Star Trek has run on too long.
We need messages about cooperating to create a classless, moneyless society of benevolent people now more than ever.
Hell, even Star Trek’s hope for the future would do all of us a bit of good right now.
Just remember in ST humanity went through WWIII, a nuclear war before all the nice stuff.
Oh, believe me, that is something that has been on my mind recently…
In Star Trek, humanity evolved to become better because it had to learn the hard lessons of the past.
Sadly, in reality and today, I’m not so sure those “hard lessons” would lead to any betterment of humanity. World War III could end, and it would be like that alternative episode of enterprise, where is Zephryn Cochrane shot the Vulcan visitors in the face with a shot shotgun.
I’m terrified that we live in the mirror universe
And apparently India los so the eugenics wars because we have like a billion people and more a single Indian in star fleet in the first 50 years
Feel similar for Star Wars. I gave the sequels a few shots but ultimately don't really care about them. However, the transition era between the Republic and the Galactic Empire echoes what is happening in the US this second.
I was (re)watching Clone Wars around the start of the year while making plans with my partner to leave our friends and flee the country. The way the Jedi Council treated Ahsoka towards the end while ushering in an era of fascism hit especially hard this time around.
They did her so wrong and then tried to say it was her final test. Such a cop out! Surely with all your sense of the Force you should have known she was innocent. But they didn't see a Sith Lord right under their noses, either...
Please tell that to CBS. (or who ever the hell runs these hellscape conglomerates these days and owns ST)
Paramount these days innit?
SNW is, like, almost there...
Except they have so many screwups with writing it's not even funny. Like the captain freaking praying in s02e01... Yeaahhh, Starfleet is definitely known for their faith in god and not humanity...
Yeah nah. A future that accepts all doesn't mean "atheists only"
There are plenty of religious people in ST. The point is humanity, and especially Starfleet, are secular and logical almost to a fault. It'd be a cold day in hell when a captain goes, "Oh jeeze, oh no, I don't know what I'm doing! Please Sky Daddy, help mee~"
There's even a freaking episode in TOS where Kirk directly denounces Gods as a whole, even while he's literally staring at someone with god-like powers. It's even a repeating theme in other ways through the series.
It is wholly anachronistic to have a captain defer to religious faith. They explicitly say humanity has moved past the need in all of the first five series.
Maybe Archer has some kind of religious faith-based statement I'm forgetting, but he's set in early Trek times, and it does not remove the fact that EVERY OTHER series before ST was sold explicitly states humans do not believe in gods for worship. Picard even basically tells Q to fuck off and Q literally has powers beyond what "God" is ever described as having.
There’s even a freaking episode in TOS where Kirk directly denounces Gods as a whole, even while he’s literally staring at someone with god-like powers.
You mean the bit in who mourns for adonais where he says "we have no need for gods we find the one sufficient"? Really? Might wanna rethink that as an example. Especially since canonically there's a freakin' chapel on the enterprise AND religious officers kneeling to pray. Even in DS9 Kasidy says her mother would want her to be married by a minister.
And Pike does not defer to religious faith, he faces a crisis outside of his control and outside of his role as an officer and throws a quick prayer. Oh no. The horror.
Religion has lost its stranglehold of control, but personal faith most certainly endures through all trek. You might wanna check some of your biases 'cos its making you logic fault.
You're really reaching at straws when you equivocate a captain admitting humans have believed in one god vs a captain making a religious appeal to God.
Starfleet doesn't condemn religion, but again, that DOES NOT mean they endorse it. You religious buffoons always utterly fail to understand what kind of humanity is portrayed.
You know what I said about your own bias colouring your argument? yeahhhhhhhhhhhh
You religious buffoons always utterly fail -
I'm not religious. I'm utterly, completely atheistic. I don't believe in shit. To the point where I view the hysterical prosetylisation of atheism the same way I view hysterical prosetylisation of any religion. It bores me. It's idiotic and incredibly solipsistic.
The way you're acting right now ironically, is exactly how you're claiming Pike praying in a moment of personal desperation and distress is. Worse, actually, because at least trek framed it like a casual agnostic going "well I can't do shit here, maybe prayer would work"
NO ONE in starfleet has endorsed religion, ok maybe DS9 gets grey area-ing with the whole emissary thing, but where are you getting all these straw men from. What orifice are you pulling them out of. It can't be comfortable having them all up there.
Edit: hahahah rewriting your comments dude? Really? Stand by your words.
Maybe, but I feel like the lore has become too large for the property and a reboot would be beneficial for the series.
How many reboots do you need?
Every. Single. Fucking. EA Sports franchise
They ought to be arrested for it, but players are somehow still buying it.
I remember when skate 3 was released. It was the biggest sports game of the year. It outsold even FIFA. BUUUUUUUT, fifa fans are so deranged that they spend like 2 Billions in micro transactions that EA obviously spend all their efforts into making more FIFA and no more skate. Except now Skate. Obviously, and we all know how shit this turned out.
Futurama. I think it's the best 30 minute show of all time but it's time for it to go. It's OK. Good things are allowed to end.
As an extremely die-hard Futurama fan I'm starting to feel the same way, especially since disney owns it now. The only thing they'll do with it going forward is see just how much they can wring from it, in the same fashion they're killing star wars, marvel, and every other IP they bought to pump out never-ending crap. I'd be fine if this was the end, even with a tear in my eye.
TIL Futurama was renewed. I'm so out of the loop these days it blows my mind.
Fucking Grey's Anatomy. Idk if it really counts as a franchise though but it's on season 22 and hasn't been good in years. It needs to end. I keep waiting for an asteroid to hit the hospital because that's pretty much the only disaster that hasn't hit that hospital yet.
those are franchises older than tv, not only streaming, so i doubt it'll stop, The Walking Dead on the other hand... also they're rebooting Breaking Bad, soooo there's that
Source on breaking bad?
I love Star Trek dearly, I just don't think we're ever going to get a show that hits like TNG/VOY/DS9 (and even ENT/TOS) again - largely due to capitalism and the dramatic shortening of TV seasons. SNW is watchable and has some good bits in it, but it is forced to operate at a mile-a-minute pace, and either forced or poorly chosen by the showrunners to be Action Action Action about 90% of the time. I just need some breathing room!
That being said, Lower Decks and Prodigy both hit on a lot of what I love about Trek. Their cancellations (and the new ownership of Paramount, and Section 31, and SNW only getting 6 episodes for their last season) do not bring me any hope for the future.
SNW does have some great moments. I loved the "documentary" episode most specifically, because it was a neat spin on things that let them experiment a lot with the cinematography and documentary-style shots.
As the documentary was the real 'focus' of the episode, the plot of transporting the enslaved alien creature/ship was allowed to be a self-contained story like old-school trek used to be, and I really appreciated the reflection on the morality of what they do as a crew, and as Starfleet.
There was a lot of TNG's DNA in there, and I liked that.
Yeah, there is a lot to like in it, I probably wasn't as kind in my original message as I should've been. I do love that they went more episodic with it, that's for sure! And they have had a few episodes that were pretty lighthearted and funny, which is greatly appreciated. It straddles the line of A/B tier for me.
I'm glad that Strange New Worlds exists, but it's totally fair to criticise.
I feel a lot kinder towards the writers and showrunners when I consider that we simply don't live in the 90s anymore, and that the realities of media consumption have changed in a way that forces different priorities.
Back in the era of TNG, Friends, and the X-Files, it was totally reasonable for a show to air 26 episodes over 26 weeks. Seasons would run so long that writers were putting out bottle episodes just to stretch the budget. Yet it was profitable because people would keep watching - after all, there were only a few channels competing for the same limited airtime.
Nowadays we're utterly drowning in media. The amount of content is almost infinite, and viewers are seemingly fickle, and quickly bored.
Being successful now isn't about having a great long-running show, it's about making a massive impact as fast as possible, and hanging on to that top-banner spot on Netflix or whatever platform for just a scant few weeks before people get distracted by the next thing. Only those first weeks matter.
And so, seasons get compressed and the budget gets concentrated, until shows are six episodes all coming at you full force like an airhorn blast of non-stop action and effects. They don't want longevity, they want hype.
We can blame the industry, or we can blame society, or we can blame people's viewing habits. Probably it's a bit of all three. But it certainly explains a few things.
It's almost a similar story to how the "Triple-A" gaming industry ruined games by optimising for the wrong metric, all while costing a fortune to do it.
Fortunately for gaming we have a thriving indie dev scene now, which is where the true joy, art and creativity can be found.
Perhaps TV is simply waiting for its own indie revolution.
I just don't think we're ever going to get a show that hits like TNG/VOY/DS9 (and even ENT/TOS) again
Given how much bad pressure and online criticism TNG, Voy and especially DS9 got, I'm surprised they even tried Ent. SNW was a great show, but don't forget just how much fans and execs hated every single new series that came out. Your treasured classics were dragged through the muck regularly.
That's fair, yeah! As much as I try to not let criticism impact my enjoyment of things, I'm sure it unconsciously has done so. I still don't expect to be looking back and saying "Discovery was actually fantastic" in 20 years, but I'll keep an open mind to it.
All of them. How about some new shit for once?
I still get frustrated when we get a big games conference to show off a bunch of trailers, and a streamer watching one will start rattling off “Oh. Soldier of Fortune remake? Bloodborne 2? God of War?” up to the title card. Then, when it’s some fresh new IP, not a sequel, everyone has a reaction of “Oh. Dunno what that is.”
Gamers are very much complicit in the terrible state of game remakes/sequels.
Imagine that. Two or three seasons for a tv show always srem like the sweet spot. Same with movies. Terminator, great. Terminator 2, even better. Terminator 3 to wherever we are now, what the fuck even is this?
I think a lot of people watch long lasting tv shows out of habit, not because they are good or holding up. Bob's burger is the only exception i can think off, and maybe some other niche shows, if they are good they are good and if they have more to say, go ahead.
One of my favourite shows used to be community. I have the fondest memories watching it for the first time. Now every time i rewatch it i got reminded that only the first two seasons are really good, and then it just falls apart.
What? No. Absolutely not. Fuck, imagine if TNG had only run 2 seasons. Any more terrible ideas?
It's not a golden rule. A show can be bigger if the creator has a large enough vision for it, from the start. The problem is that it's not how the business works - if you try to make a long show you'll end up with a cancelled show instead.
No way, so many examples of great shows over 3 seasons long. Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul, The Sopranos, The Wire, The Simpsons was amazing for a long time, 30 Rock, Parks and Rec, Battlestar Galactica, The Shield... I could go on.
I would like to know the demographics of the people who still watch the Simpsons. They are out there. There are many of them.
I genuinely think that some people hit a certain age and then simply lose the will to explore new things. The amount of absolute garbage reboots and sequels that my parents watch just because they liked the original thing is far too many. But it's certainly not just them. I know people younger than me that will just always listen to new albums of artists they used to enjoy even if it's hot garbage and talk about it like it's pretty good. I'm certainly not an authority on what people can enjoy, but I can absolutely be disappointed in people that reach this point where familiar=good.
Haven’t watched it many years, went and found one of the tree house of horrors the other day because someone recommended it. It was alright
I loved the simpsons but have not seen an episode in maybe a decade or more.
I always have to pop up in these threads because I'm out there, and I'm not alone. I've been watching The Simpsons, more or less, non-stop since it first started airing.
When I was younger it played twice a day during the week with a new episode every Sunday. So when it comes to the earlier seasons, the ten or so seasons often viewed as the golden era, I've seen those dozens of times.
In the 2000s watching TV at a regularly scheduled time wasn't as much of a priority and the availability of videos on the Internet began to increase, so I usually watched The Simpsons that way. When the film came out in 2007 I was there opening day.
As streaming services became popular in the 2010s I started to watch The Simpsons there instead. Although these streaming services rarely had a backlog, just the current season, but I had them all collected over the years.
In the late 2010s my roommates and I decided to watch every episode of The Simpsons but not in release order. We would just pick a random season and episode and watch a few episodes a week over the course of two years.
Now in the 2020s we sometimes get together to watch, sometimes watch solo. I'm personally much more strict about watching every week, they usually watch in short bursts and I don't mind rewatching recent episodes.
But... Is it good? Yeah mostly. Not every episode is great.
The episode that aired this past Sunday isn't anything special, a few funny moments but Albert Brooks who voiced Hank Scorpio and Russ Cargill (from the movie) voiced a new character and that was fun.
The Treehouse of Horror from two Sunday's ago was much better, so if you want a recent episode then watch that.
No it isn't ever going to be as great as the golden age of The Simpsons, but it's still fun to watch and I still laugh, so that's a win to me.
My kids are mainlining it most days (when they're allowed TV). They're pre-teens and they love it. I don't mind so much, basically because nostalgia - and at least it's not Teen Titans Go, which was so fast it gave me a headache
McDonalds.
Simpsons
You know what's crazy? The show has existed for my entire life (I'm 36), but I've only seen like 5 episodes ever. And the movie.
When I was around 6 or 7ish, i was just getting into stuff like that and had seen the show a couple times. Then my grandma saw some thing on the news or at church or something and ranted about the show so much, about how vulgar and terrible it was. So my mom decided I shouldn't be allowed to watch it. I was an obedient child, so I didn't watch it. Then my older friend introduced me to South Park a year or two later, and mom hadn't said anything about that show... I never really got interested in The Simpson again after that.
I did enjoy Saw X but the end was a little wacky (consequence of being a prequel?) and I don't know how they're gonna bounce back from that. And now the next movie is stuck in production limbo.
Ultimately killing John Kramer so early in the franchise was (IMO) a big mistake.
Having a movie with him as the lead was so refreshing, but goddamn you mfs should have never killed him in the first place! Let alone have waited so long to try to rectify your mistake!!
Call of Duty and Pokémon.
How about a bit different perspective?
What long running franchise should be taking out of the hands of idiots and given to people who are actually talented and creative?
The one exception is the MCU, that is definitely one that needs a break. I feel I've been watching the same movie over and over since the second Avengers.
The worlds of Star Trek and Star Wars are so vast that there are tons of stories that could be told. It just needs to be in the hands of someone that is actually good at their job and not a profit crazy committee.
Star Trek seems pretty good in this regard. Discovery went ary but it was fun while it was good. Strange New Worlds is fantastic, Lower Decks takes a very different view of the universe for fun, and Picard was a decent enough story with some good stakes.
The movies suck ass though, particularly Abrams.
Star Wars on the other hand could just go away and I would not care. I saw New Hope in 77 and loved it. Looking back; not a great movie. And it was downhill from there.
Which is it shouldn't have been. There have been better books than anything produced by Lucas or Disney.
Five Nights at Freddy's has only been running for 11 years and is a corpse of its former self that seems to have been ironically put into a machine to make more money.
The weird Sci-Fi turn they took on Sister Location was easily the worst thing they did to this franchise and has derailed all future entries, change my mind.
I actually disagree. I think the sci-fi elements, and especially Remnant, are awesome (and had been pseudo-foreshadowed since the first game). I think the problem is that the series didn't end after FFPS and UCN, with maybe Help Wanted being allowed if it actually had a conclusive ending. Afton went from a serial killer to a serial killer with mysterious sci-fi motivations to a ridiculous slasher villain returning from literally everything.
One Piece. Never watched it because having to watch a thousand episodes just to catch up is simply not possible for me.
I started One Piece about 3 years ago and have read all the manga and just recently caught up on the anime.
Some of the things I really enjoy about it:
The story progression ramps up nicely. Nobody is that OP from the get-go, and the stakes and power levels have increased steadily as the story goes on. There is definitely plot armor, but it's not like every bad guy is on the same level as the previous one.
There is great representation. There are people of different races. There are gay-coded, trans, and gender fluid characters, there are young and old people. And none of them are really played for laughs for those traits. All character types have heros, villians, comic relief, and serious characters. And none of the characters with real screen/page time are flat and one dimensional. This along with the power scaling, really makes the adventure feel important and like a fleshed out and lived in world that you are part of. I can only imagine this is even moreso true for people that have been fans since the late 90s.
At almost 1200 chapters, I feel like I understand this fictional world and how it works. There are macguffins and such, but nothing that feels out of place. Characters still behave how you would expect them to behave and the creator doesn't just pull stuff out of nowhere. There is still great continuity with the earliest things that happened in the story. There are many familiar characters, but more still come and go, but not before becoming necessary parts of the full tale. It's not like Star Wars where it feels there's about 2 dozen characters with names in the whole universe.
And the last thing I'll say is in spite of all this, it still does stuff just for laughs regularly. It knows it's a story primarily for young boys, and despite being one of the best loved anime/manga ever, it doesn't take itself all that seriously. It's a damn fun time to read and watch almost every bit of it with few exceptions. The stuff coming out now is as good or better as it's ever been.
Like anything else, it won't be for ever single person out there, so if you don't like it, you don't like it. I saw a few random episodes on Toonami in the 90s and was WTF is this random stuff then. It is a weird thing to dive into the middle of, and a lot of it is outright silly. But I had people at work keep telling me I'd like it, I finally gave in, and I was hooked from the first chapter.
I tried it after seeing the pirate flag thing being used in Nepal Gen Z Protests and I thought it must be a cool story if its so popular, so I tried watching it... and I got bored so quickly. I mean, it just feels very weird to me, doesn't "click" for me, oh well, I guess my brain is just different.
Or ypu know you aren’t the actual target audience for One Piece which is children.
Tbf, Avatar: The Last Airbender was also made for kids, but I quite enjoyed it as a young adult (even though it does have "cringy" moments). I guess One Piece just doesn't have a "deep" overarching story like a world war, propaganda (talking about the fire nation), and genocide.
I assure you, One Piece is very much not child friendly later on. The first like 700 episodes build up to a specific story arc (Wano). The current (anime) arc has a major back story of a characters life which includes him begging to be allowed to die as a child.
That and the anime pacing is terrible.
If you're actually interested you can just try the Netflix show. It's a watered down version but it's decent enough to give an idea of what makes it have so many fans. The Anime is just weekly television that's been running for decades - it was never meant to be binge watched.



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