What's your test for people?

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[–] 116 points 1 year ago (11 children)

As a former waiter, I have a counterpoint:

  • I can't carry that wobbly precarious mess you've made, and it's easier to disassemble and reassemble it because I know how to do this.

Thus, you've created work for me.

Thankfully I haven't been a waiter in - oh look! - 30 years.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    My wife used to wait tables and we generally eat or box everything, so I'm pretty confident she's right to pre-bus (and even wipe the table a little while waiting for check).

    My only personal analogy is bagging groceries; self service shows how typical people have no idea, while an experienced bagger does. I saw a guy literally put eggs in the bottom of their bag. I can't imagine how terrible their pre-bussing must be.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    sheepishly telling the cashier thanks cuz my bag Tetris is no good

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I always prebus. If i don't know how to stack funny dishes then I leave them in small piles by type with cuttery on the top of what makes sense.

    Takes less than 5 seconds for a stack / pickup with a nod to the busser.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I almost never had a table stack their stuff the way I wanted. Just make sure your spot is tidy, easy to grab, and there are no surprises like silverware or a tiny dish wrapped inside a napkin. Definitely don’t stick a paper napkin inside your cup that still has a drink in it. By the time it gets back to the dish station it will have turned into a paste someone has to dig out and will be cursing you!

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    [–] 20 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    My wife and I do this, but I've always wondered whether I'm actually helping or just creating a different kind of inconvenience by not organizing them in a beneficial way.

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  • [–] 39 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    This comment section is a nice mix of "I'm a waiter, please don't do this, you're making my job harder" and "I always do this to make the waiters' lives easier"

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    As long as you don't overstack it. Make a tidy stack that can be carried easily with one hand securely. If you eg put utensils between plates you can cause an accident.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I usually have a pack of gum and I deliberately start a pattern on how I take pieces out. Usually it's from left to right, emptying a full row before I move on to the next.

    My test is to offer them gum and see where they pick from. Will they recognize a pattern and continue it? Or will they be oblivious?

    Either way, it's not a measure of good or bad. It's just a fun lil test.

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  • [–] 55 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    If you leave your cart in a parking space, you're sub-human

    You're passible if you take it to the corral

    But a truly good human will stack the carts into proper rows if the carts are loose in the corral

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    I firmly believe in the validity of the Shopping Cart Test. On a related and depressing note, my little city is overrun with errant shopping carts.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    I have a clip from my dashcam floating around somewhere of me stopping, jumping out of my car, then hauling ass to catch someone's runaway cart moments before it hit a parked car. Honestly one of my proudest moments.

    On the opposite end, I once left a cart (on a curb) and it haunted me. To be fair, it was absolutely storming outside and I was chilled to the bone and just wanted to warm up..

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (6 children)
    1. I used to work at a supermarket and preferred returning carts to other tasks, and got paid hourly. When someone returns the cart, they're doing that hourly work for the store owner for free. Since time is rival, you could be more effective with your altruism than helping store owners.
    2. You're depressed because there's so much homelessness, right?
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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I push products to the shop floor because some people prefer stacking the shelves to their other work. I'm an altruistic job creator. You're welcome

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Isn't that just the parable of the broken window? Somebody ultimately needs to clean the dishes and return the cart - they're not wasted time.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I'm even more altruistic than the lazy shits not wanting to put the cart back since I don't just not do something, I'm actively doing it to benefit their day.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    It's not benefiting or harming them either way. Their day is spent and their odds of getting paid are the same.

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  • I do have some caveats for this. As my parents both park in handicap, we've noticed that the cart corrals are super far from the handicap spots and I won't blame someone who already has trouble walking half way down the parking aisle to a corral.

    I do tend to take the random carts from the parking lot in to use for shopping when I see them though. No reason to take one of the ones already brought back.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    The exception is the handicapped area. When I drive my 80 something mother, we park in a handicapped spot, and I get out and grab the nearest cart for her. She uses that like a walker to get to the store. When we get back to the car, and she gets in, I leave the cart near the handicapped spots for the next person. I have often seen others do the same thing.

    We parked the other day, and there were no carts nearby, so I went and got one for her. She could have made it into the store with just her cane, but she would have been slower, and not as confident.

    So leave a cart or two in the handicapped zone. The handicapped folks have already worked out their own system that the normies don't know about or understand. It's a Geezer Thing.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    My boomer mother did this. My boomer father was indifferent.

    I do this.

    For the record, the only things that get stacked are things that are perfectly stackable, I don't put a plate on top of a half-eaten cheese steak or leave utensils in the middle.

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  • [+] 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)
  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    It *can* be seen as rude, depending on the culture. Like, "I did your job for you because you took so long". More often in "high class" settings, like places that need reservations weeks in advance.

    But most of the time, people just don't care to assist the waiters and most waiters will appreciate it if you stack the plates. Some may judge you if you do it wrong.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    I really never liked tables that did this, in the restaurants I worked we observed oldschool etiquette… as long as someone is still enjoying their meal, we don’t clean up and if you do, I’ll asssume you just lack education.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    My dad gets legitimately angry when I do this. Boomers are a different breed

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  • [–] [S] 11 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    That's bizarre to me.

    edit: you just unlocked a memory of my mum bollocking me as a kid for doing it. It's so bizarre why?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Too many people see life as a zero-sum game with a one-dimensional ranking. To them, success is defined as the number of people of people you're better than. Worse, many people go by pass/fail,as in "they're one of the good ones" (popular with bigots everywhere)

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I don't think it's an age thing, more of an empathy test. I've been a dishwasher, maybe that's why I tidy up.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    I've owned a restaurant, and once you've done that, you've been the dishwasher, janitor, toilet plunger, punching bag, robbery victim, etc.

    After all that, you tend to lose that sense that some jobs are below you. You just see it as work that has to be done, and you're standing there, so it might as well be you, so get it done.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yeah, my boomer uncle told me it was low class after he watched me do it. When I was a waitress at the time. Fuck him and that mentality - I do it to this day and make into 6 figures

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  • My dad gets legitimately angry when I do this

    I think it has to do with "putting the waiters out of their job". Like, when you do a part of the job for them consistently, the restaurant manager will eventually notice that and realize they can do with a little bit less staff. So they hire fewer waiters, which means potential waiters face a tougher job market.

    And for anybody saying "that little bit of support can't make the difference between more and less staff", yes, it can. Consider that a restaurant manager might have already decided to fire a waiter that's a bit less performant (because they struggle to keep up) but decided to keep them anyways, just in case. Now they see that people do a part of the work, and that might just give them the idea that maybe, they could do with fewer waiters, and there's that one lazy guy who can't keep up anyway ...

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    For the first time, I feel seen.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    When I was a server I hated when people stacked their own plates. First off, I found it performative. Secondly it messed with my system. Thirdly it usually produced a 20lb pile of dishes covered in queso, half eaten burritos, and guacamole that was impossible to carry.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Huh, me mum was a waitress at one point and taught me to stack for politeness, I didn't realize it was a preference thing. Now I'm not sure what to do.

    I'll still keep ordering the queso though, that shit's delicious.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    offer them the plates so they don’t have to reach or move around the table and help them stack them when they’re there… pause your conversations and ensure they spend as little time sorting your dishes as possible, and then both they can get back to what they’re doing and you can continue your conversations in private

    especially true when there are plates, bowls, and cups of all shapes

    exception being it’s okay to pile cutlery on a single plate because that’s always going on the top and if not it’s easy to tip off all at once to restack

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    bussed tables for years; what are you doing clearing tables as a server?

    I liked it when people stacked their shit up, it shaves a few seconds off me doing it before I dumped it in a tub.

    As far as food issues - well yeah if they're some kids acting like cretins pouring shit all over that's a problem but what's that got fuck all to do with the stack?

    I find your hate performative to be honest.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Yeah man. I don't stack anything, not because I don't want to help, but I don't want to mess with your system. Waiting isn't as easy as it seems and I absolutely have no idea how to do it, so I don't want to interfere. I prefer to sit awkwardly and pretend that me leaning back as much as I can to make more space is equally helpful.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago*

    My family would get upset if you did that or if the server came by and offered to take the empty plate away. Why yes one of them is named karen. How did you guess?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    I mean, you could stack your dishes but still be a rapist or murderer.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I may tidy up. But I don't stack. I won't even stack at my house, I hate touching the dirty bottom of a plate.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    the server and busser will 100% stack them and grab them by the edges of the plates to keep their hands clean, plates generally arent 100% level surfaces and fully covered in gravy so the issue youre imagining doesnt exist

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I don't understand this. At all. Do you let them seat you at a dirty table? Do you think they don't wash the bottom of the plate? Are you and everyone you eat with flinging food everywhere and somehow getting food on the bottom of plates from the clean table? Please explain it to me.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    When one dirty plate go on top of other dirty plate, bottom of plate get dirty too. OP no like making bottom of plate dirty, so no stack plate.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Except once you've stacked it, you don't have to touch it again because you're just being nice and not the busser so it still doesn't make sense. The only people obligated to touch the bottom of the plate after it's stacked are being paid to do so.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    My test is mostly how do they treat my visibly disabled husband. Who also is older than me and looks it. I don't like being treated like I'm his nurse. I understand why they might think daughter so I'm ambivalent towards that. A lot of people are short and snippy with him because he's harder to understand and that gets me upset.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I stack the plates to make room when boxing up food. It gets stacked in the way I would want to carry with the largest and cleanest ln bottom for stability and forks/utentils on top. Don't generally do more than 3 plates in a stack because they might want to rearrange.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    My mom does this. She has major ocd.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    What do you do with your shopping cart when you are done? Do you just leave it to fend for itself in the sea of the parking lot? Or do you do the right thing and bring it back inside or to the cart corral.

    The REAL REAL sign though? When someone brings a cart from the parking lot into the store to shop with, ultra move.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    When I lived in San Francisco, self-bussing was the norm. Here in Sacramento even the cafe wait staff look at me like I am crazy, unless I'm in a coffee franchise like Starbucks or Peets.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    You're all my people. Well, most of you.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You'd fail my test if I learn you have tests for people.

    Maybe it's just a matter of phrasing, but the idea that I could be kind to our server all night, tip well, generally hit it out of the park, but be disproportionately judged for failing to do this one small thing because it's your personal test? Sets my social anxiety off enough that if I knew that were on your mind I'd probably just say we're not compatible.

    Obviously, keep an eye out for shitty people, and don't put up with bad behaviour, but also judge people as people, wholistically.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    It says the word 'test' in the post title, but if it helps I don't think you need to take it so literally.

    This isn't necessarily "setting up" specific situations for people, but more like how people respond in normal everyday situations which you might consider to be either red flag or green flag behaviour.

    For me, an example is littering. I'm not so sociopathic that I'd create some trash just to test someone, but if trash happens and they throw it on the ground, it's a bad personality indicator.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Yeah, what you're saying makes sense. I like "bad personality indicator" as an alternative, since it conveys to me it's one of many indicators you might process, maybe not even consciously. I've just had rather negative experiences being "tested" and hearing that world applied to any kind of casual social interaction gets my hackles all the way up.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

    Just wanted to put in a counter for what a lot of people are saying in here, if you're looking for a "perfect-clone friend" right out the gate then prepare to be lonely as your tests fail... not because they're horrible people, but because they're a different person with different experiences.

    The person litters (like @tiramichu@sh.itjust.works suggested)? Probably see's their entire family litter constantly and never gets comments or maybe even once got reprimanded for saying not to litter to an elder. Just ask them not to when they're in your vehicle, take into account their reaction and maybe have a conversation about it? (personal experience, just let me friend know it was lame and he stopped doing it. But now his vehicle is a roaming trashcan so I guess take what you can get)

    You can be friends with people who are different or were raised differently than you, it's actually super beneficial! Now if it's a constant argument or it's turned into a negative experience every time and communication isn't working... it might be useful to move on for everyone's sake at that point.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I'm getting a mixed message here; are you saying people should be friends with people who litter, and politely encourage them to improve their behavior? Or that they should walk away from people that litter? Not trying to antagonize, I'm just not clear what the central theme of your comment is

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    Make friends first without requirements, communicate if an action of theirs disturbs you or makes you feel some kind of way. Learn who they are and why they do things before passing judgement. Let them know your experience. From there, evaluate what kind of relationship you want with the person going forward. But, communicate! the reason why. Allow the ability for people to surprise you and change if they care about your feelings (including allowing yourself to change if they present good arguments).

    People have friends or acquaintances for different reasons and have different philosophies over what's important in those relationships, mileage may vary.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    cool lol thanks

    just fyi you keep repeating this pattern: "here's a specific thing you should enjoy. Later, here's a general rule which will often invalidate the previous statement" and it's just kind of hard to follow. but. thanks for the response

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    It helps if you're not vague when asking for clarification and quote what the issue is directly, the made-up quote doesn't really help if you wish to get an actual helpful response.

    people should be friends with people who litter, and politely encourage them to improve their behavior?

    My response: Make friends first without requirements

    Or that they should walk away from people that litter?

    response: Learn who they are and why they do things before passing judgement. From there, evaluate what kind of relationship you want with the person going forward (is this a co-worker? Someone from a friend group? What kind of relationship is required to move forward)

    You can make friends...then unmake if necessary. If that's your confusion.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    or we can make friends however we want, lol, it's weird that you think you're our life coach. let people pick friends however they want buddy, there's no need to tell everyone else how to live

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    You ok there bud? First day on the internet and you just needed to talk to someone?

    This is a perfect example btw, I didn't just dismiss you because of your confusion. But now since you've just been wasting time for clarification you never actually cared about (only to then try to insult in the lamest way possible online), and your other really horrible posts and comments I can easily move on and not care about this interaction at all!

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    No I did, and I'm glad. You've broken two sidebar rules of my instance and I have cause to ban you now. My users are better off without this toxic, rude behavior and we won't need any more of it from you.

    Have a day.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    you want me to work for you, pay for everything, and tip you?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    you do you, but if im just chilling talking after i eat, it feels like nothing to me - just something to do with my hands that doesnt feel like work at all and is massively helpful to someone

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I do the clean up thing just because I don't like having a bunch of shit in front of me all spread out. I think it's years of having to clean up my stations and desks so I can actually function so it's just habitual. We should be taking into consideration that this might not be helpful at all to the worker if these other comments are to be believed.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    If it's a self service place, I tend to look around if there is a place to keep the dishes (kinda like SubWay has).
    Otherwise, I don't stack. Waiters can have different ways of taking the dishes and those ways are usually based on all the dishes being random-access. I'd rather do nothing, than stack it the wrong way.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It's fun to have a friend who's been a waiter for 30 years, he just openly narrates the service and how good/bad they're doing (usually "look at how hard they have to scramble because you assholes came in late")

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    My mom was a cleaning lady and I worked in hospital housekeeping for a while. I always wipe down my table and tidy the plates etc. my kids have picked it up just from watching and they always clean their mess when we go out, can’t get them to clean up at home though

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  • My test is the classic shopping cart test, for those who don't know its a test based on if someone returns a shopping cart. Its a societal benefit that is not aknowlaged and requires minimal effort. You wont be punished if you dont return it yet you're being an asshole.

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