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What fucking bizarro world have I stepped into where fash-lite bowtie man is making sense
Tucker's a smart guy with a clever tongue. He can lay out an exhaustive, reasoned, rationalist case for basic civil liberties. And then he can come back a day later to lay out an exhaustive, reasoned, rationalist case against them.
Just depends on which side of the line he's standing. Dude's a talk radio mercenary. He'll fight for whichever side he thinks will turn him a profit.
I've noticed this happening more often than I would have imagined, actually. There are some times where Trump or one of his sycophants will make an off-the-cuff remark that is actually, genuinely, a good and logical thing to do. it doesn't happen that often, but it does happen. The bizarre part is that when that idea fails to manifest media coverage detailing how bad it is, they just... give up on it. It's like the conservative political philosophy has completely morphed into being a contrarian force against liberalism, in spite of whatever their personal beliefs might be. If democrats are ambivalent on an issue, so are they.
He was full strength fashy before 2021. He was the one floating a lot of these ideas to see how they play, like locking up your political rivals or news media.
I suspect that it turned out that Carlson's mean words towards his superiors at Fox News did him in more than anything. They held grudges after being called dumb fucking cunts or whatever and took the excuse to ask him.
This comment is almost entirely divorced from reality. Just as bad as the nonsense that trumper dipshits spew. Ben fucking Shapiro has spoke out against US involvement in the Middle East? Lol, pretty much his sole life mission is to ensure that that continues. Gtfo with this shit.
i wonder what your response will be once you learn that marjoree taylor green has tried to stop weapons shipments to isreal, but aoc helped stop her... twice
I am floored that I agree with that piece of shit, but… here we are.
What a weird time to live in.
Tucker is scared because kimmel and other media personalities are getting nuked. That's his money flow at risk, nothing else.
Ya know there a principle I am rather fond of, doing good for bad reasons is still good. While Carlson may be a shitstain undeserving of his kneecaps and while he may be doing a good thing for bad reasons, well I'll take what I can get. We are effectively shrieking into the void like the banshee outside of my window, nobody hears us but they do hear Carlson.
Probably, but it's smart to take allies where you can find them. A lot of right-wingers pay attention to Carlson, and his stance is hitting where left-leaning sources have no pull.
Plus if successful at turning us from our allies based on misplaced motivation, they would just lie about those motivations more to us. Then lie to the other side about our own motivations for stuff we agree with them on.
While his general rhetoric may be aligned, his engagement is driven by people that want validation against those "elite libs" that are saying things they don't like.
Without those voices in the room, even if there's an audience that agrees with his words, that audience doesn't need him anymare.
He came out in opposition to the Iranian war and was given Ted Cruz the fuck you treatment calling him a dumbass on it. I think that was before Colbert got fired.
If he was scared, he would have kept his mouth shut. This is praiseworthy
Similar thing for me recently. Learned musk is against collective shouts censorship. Made me really evaluate why I was against it. Still against it. Censorship limits freedom of speech but so does deplatforming the censors. Weird times
Sure, but sometimes the enemy of your enemy is still your enemy. I agree with this one thing that Tucker said. I vehemently disagree with pretty much every single other thing he says, or has said.
The grammar is ambiguous, FYI, of if you meant the censorship done by collective shout or the censorship being done to collective shout.
It doesn't impact my reply, but I figured I'd let you know. :)
I'm against government censorship in all circumstances outside the cliche "you can't threaten people or spread injurious falsehoods".
I'm okay with private entities not giving people a platform if they aren't a defacto institution. Credit card companies and financial services should be agnostic to which legal businesses they process payments and hold assets for. Much like how shipping companies are agnostic to what's in your package, beyond what's necessary to move it safely.
If you're needed for society to function, I want you to blindly service society, even if people I dislike also get service.
I don't want to be in a place where every platform needs to accept all participants as valid. There's plenty of ways to share your viewpoint.
That ignores the fact that the government leans on these people behind the scenes. So it is a thinly veiled end run around government censorship, as we have seen with social media, Homeland Security giving lists of names for them to ban for other reasons.
I wouldn't say it's ignoring it. I'm incredulous that DHS would pressure Facebook to cancel an account or something for the same reason I'm not as bothered by it happening: it doesn't have real consequences.
If the government censors you, it can take your money or your freedom. Not only does it have much higher stakes, it has stakes you can't get around. You can't go to a platform that doesn't mind and keep going.
If the government leans on a company, first of all that's still government censorship and it's not legal for the government to get a company to do what it cannot. If the specifics of the behavior are legal, it's still government censorship and wrong (with aforementioned caveats).
That being said, the consequence of that type of censorship is loss of a social media account. You can find another venue and all they can do is keep asking people to remove the content. If someone refuses or you host overseas, there's not really anything they can do.
There's a benefit to society, in my opinion, for people to reject an idea. Refusing to help someone spread a message is about the most passive way to do that.
I've worked in the webhosting industry. If someone has a Nazi website and they need tech support, you need to ask yourself if you're willing to take that support request or if you're letting your manager know you're not gonna help that message.
If the employees at a company don't want to help you and it's not unjust discrimination, I have a really hard time saying that it's wrong to tell Nazis to take their website elsewhere.
I agree 100% Sorry I was ambiguous in my last reply. I am against all censorship both by and against collective shout
I don't think censoring collective shout helps any of this
I'm not aware of the specifics of that group to know how I feel.
My feelings are more born from looking at webhosting and hate/harassment websites. I have a really hard time saying it's wrong to take down a Nazi website.
I don't think the government should be able to, because as abhorrent as it is it's still a political position and protected. But if the people you're paying to host your shit don't want anything to do with you and it's not unjust discrimination, I don't think society gains anything by forcing them to keep it up.
I also don't think that applies to monopolies, quasi or defacto.
I think there's a benefit to telling hateful groups and people they aren't welcome in civil society. The alternative is to say that there's no line at which society can tell you to gtfo, and people just need to tolerate you no matter what.
Shunning or deplatforming is how you do that without violence.
"Finally! I've finished my kill-bot. Come, gather round, as I unveil it to the world"
"But Professor Killington"
"Yes, adorable, one-legged, orphan Timmy?"
"Why did you make a kill-bot?"
"Well, so it would indiscriminately murder anything and everything that moves, of course"
"But professor, that sounds dangerous"
"Don't be a fucking retard Timmy. I know what I'm doing"
"O-okay Professor"
"Now everyone gather round as I turn on the killbot for the very first time, and be amazed as it makes me pancakes"
flips switch
"OH NO, STOP, STOP, STOP KILLING ME, KILL-BOT OH MY GOD, MY SPLEEN, OH, IF ONLY SOMEBODY COULD HAVE FORRSEEN THIS TERRIBLE TURN OF EVENTS".
He just realized that he is NOT SAFE
A broken Nazi Russian asset asshole clock is right once a day
They keep wanting a civil war between leftwingers and rightwingers, but seems more likely they will have a civil war amongst the rightwingers themselves. 🤦♂️
Could well happen yeah. Though it also seems likely, given how things have gone so far, that an assassin could be on camera with a Nazi swastika on their clothes and immediately after you'd have the right wing media spreading far and wide, "Here's how the Nazis (National SOCIALISTS) were leftists, actually"
Maybe some shit about Nazis being pro trans too, I dunno. At this point it feels like they could actually say that and enough people would lap it up
“Here’s how the Nazis (National SOCIALISTS) were leftists, actually”
They already do say that.
Huh, whatever happened to loving how things are done in Putinist Russia, Tucker?
I Hate This Timeline.
I agreed with Cucker Tarlson and Marge Sporktoes on things! Wtf???
So now he cares about such principles...
This man doesn't actually meaningfully believe anything that he says. That said, what he is saying here is true.
Did his funding change? Why all the sudden change? You got the fucker there.
It's something all the right wing grifters will realize at some point.
These people have no purpose if Trump forces all the news networks in the country to say whatever he wants. He no longer requires any of their services as mouthpieces.
I think Charlie Kirk ironically would be the first one to balk at the supression of leftist rhetoric.
Without opposition looking to make him look like an asshat while he thinks he's making them look like an asshat, these pundits lose their 'edge'. They have nothing to rant against, and without ranting, what's their draw, how do they make a living being right wing assholes that don't actually do anything or have to take accountability for anything?
Interesting. I don't know who he is, but based on (part of) the Russian shopping video I saw of him yesterday, where he was excited at what everything a Russian supermarket has to offer, finally cumming into his pants after finding that Russia has bread, I wouldn't expect much.
I only saw a clip of that. In the piece, did he ever disclose how much a typical Russian makes in a year?
Someone did detail that information and response and he had spent like more than a Russian makes in a month at that grocery store, which is geared for the Bourgeois there. Not a working man's store.
You might enjoy this video to understand how long this chuckle fuck had been around being a douche https://youtu.be/aFQFB5YpDZE
And this one is just historical context for the bread video you mentioned
Ahw fuck, why does it have to be Carlson? I hate it when dumb evil mother fuckers like him make actual good point
If he ends up getting Kirked over this, I'll gladly nudge him over the line to "on the right side of history". Won't mourn his passing though, he's peddled enough bullshit to make himself irredeemable as decent human being.
"You hope that a year from now, the turmoil we're seeing in the aftermath of his murder won't be leveraged to bring hate speech laws to this country,” Carlson said Wednesday
Yeah it would really be a shame if free speech were to be trampled at some nebulous point in the future. Imagine if it were to happen now!
“And trust me, if it is, if that does happen, there is never a more justified moment for civil disobedience than that, ever. And there never will be,” the pundit added.
The most justified possible cause for civil disobedience in all of human history has been and will only ever be... hate speech laws. Jeez. I'm a white guy and even that level of privilege and arrogance is a little crazy.
“Because if they can tell you what to say, they're telling you what to think...There is nothing they can't do to you because they don't consider you human.”
He seems so close to getting it. So damn close. But considering the right's propensity for projection, it's probably just an illusion.
LOL, no shit Tucker!
Your kind ALWAYS wanted to do that, no matter what the excuse is.
That website is an op
Please elaborate
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There's no such thing as a "strike card".
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You don't need to give anybody your name and phone number to join a strike or engage in protest. Why are they demanding sign-ups at all? Why do they need my personal identifying information? If it's a strike, name the day and time.
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Who's behind this website? It's very unclear ("two friends") but also The Black Panther Party? This seems sus, like media ragebait for a future FOX News story
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My first clue: the site is all a little TOO slick
This is either conservative ragebait or everyone will be signed up for some Organizing for America spam list. Worst case, you'll be on an FBI list and named as an "economic terrorist" or some bullshit
Could I wrong about all this? Sure, and I'll wish them luck and success, but they sure as shit ain't getting my identifying information
What makes you say that?
How do you know Tucker Carlson is grifting? His lips are moving. Be careful, fellas. You know who this goon is. Just because you agree with him, doesnt mean there isnt an agenda at play with this fucker.
Double post!
Stating the obvious to hoard in people... While still being a fascist himself. Who could have seen this coming...

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