Nintendo has sent four DMCA takedown notices to GitHub targeting two Nintendo Switch emulators, Yuzu and Citron Neo, along with mod chip firmware.

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[–] 134 points 2 days ago (4 children)

As a general reminder, self hosting your own git repo or hosting it on a private VPS is incredibly cheap. You can then have it cloned to new github/bitbucket whenever these sweeps happen. Using a fork as a 'backup' is pointless if it's still hosted on Github no matter how many thousand copies are made. Microsoft will throw you and everyone in your commit history under a bus at the whims of Nintendo's lawyers.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    You may not want to do that for the same reason Microsoft doesn't wasn't to do that.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    Capitulating to Nintendo's lawyers only serves to silence individual rights to reverse engineer, repair, or modify devices consumers have legal ownership of, which Microsoft also has a commercial interest in abusing. Keep in mind that a DMCA request is not evidence of wrong doing, however few have the legal resources to contest it.

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  • [–] 66 points 2 days ago (6 children)

    They never learn not to use GitHub.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 days ago (4 children)

    Serious question for the seriously uninformed: what's the alternative?

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  • [–] 43 points 2 days ago* (2 children)

    There are a lot. I'll list just the most popular:

    And of course there is self hosting.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    Read too fast and saw “self-loathing” which took me a second because self-hosting sort of feels that way sometimes.

    But in all seriousness, I highly suggest taking a weekend to learn how to run docker. For the most part, if you’re using a compose file, getting something working takes about as much time as installing a program on an old PC.

    Most of these should have a compose and documentation on what variables you need to set (like passwords and file paths and such).

    Personally, I run Forgejo and set up mirrors that will sync every 8-12 hours off the repos that I feel shows promise, but also may be targeted.

    When you see DCMAs hit, they go ahead and submit them for forks as well since GitHub tracks them. But they can’t target me since I’m mirroring off-site.

    …Unfortunately I find many of these post DCMA, but usually the community fights back and you’ll find clones/forks floating around.. but I do what I can to try and help decentralize. Hopefully one day the network effect may reverse and pull people elsewhere than GitHub…

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  • [–] 2 points 2 days ago

    Running docked sounds like the easy bit. The hard bit would be getting a static IP for external access, or paying for a host that allows you an entire VM.

    I pay about $9 a month for a shitty shared PHP host, in spite of much discussion I haven’t found much out there that’s better than that.

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  • [–] 32 points 2 days ago

    At this point you assume a Nintendo DMCA and/or lawsuit or you are a moron. I know several of these groups are using private gits.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 days ago* (8 children)

    A new Yuzu or is this including old ass news? Yuzu was the first major one to get taken down, which prompted hella people to fork it into a billion different spin offs. It's not even currently the most feature complete emu; one of the Ryujynx forks is.

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  • [–] 37 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

    I'd assume some useless forks that weren't renamed or active. Or redundant secondary mirrors.

    The active Switch 1 repos are all self hosted now:

    Ryujinx continuations:

    https://git.ryujinx.app/projects/Kenji-NX

    Still active.

    https://git.ryujinx.app/Ryubing

    Edit 2: Ryubing is maintenance mode, dormant.

    Yuzu continuations:

    https://git.eden-emu.dev/eden-emu/eden

    Edit: i think suyu fork is maybe dead.

    I'm surprised Nintendo isn't going after all the Switch 2 slopulators or static recompiles yet. I don't think they violate DMCA because they work differently, not decrypting anything or using keys, but it's Microsoft in the USA.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 days ago* (6 children)

    Even if they use the console keys, that shouldn't be violating anything. You need a legit key and you can dump your own from a legit console just like the games. But DMCA takedowns are notoriously easy to abuse and slow to rectify abuses of it, while Nintendo is one of the biggest abusers of the system, using it to remove things that don't actually violate any copyrights.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 days ago* (1 child)

    Unfortunately, the settlement with Yuzu set a dangerous precedent. The judge decided that since Yuzu requires the keys to play the games, then Yuzu is clearly "primarily designed to circumvent encryption to directly violate the DMCA" or whatever.

    So Switch 2 emulators not using keys at all in any part of the process maybe protects them from that angle. They require decrypted games, so only the decrypting/dumping tools might be susceptible to takedown in the same way.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 days ago

    Yuzu settled out of court didn't they?

    Plus nintendo only swooped in after yuzu released an update optimising for an game not yet released - destroying any kind of clean room argument.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 days ago

    I see Github takedowns in a similar light to Google YouTube strikes. There's no humanity or any attempt at defending creators, just spineless or bot corporate actions. Usually bots.

    A fool uses Github for spicy code now. Like a 14 year old recompiling OOT with Claude from what I hear.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

    The issue is the whole “circumventing encryption” thing, which is what led to the infamous win for Nintendo. The judge ruled that by using an official Switch’s encryption keys, the emulator was primarily designed to circumvent encryption and sided with Nintendo.

    I agree that it shouldn’t be violating anything. But clearly, Nintendo managed to convince that judge. And since courts look at precedent and case law when issuing rulings, any future rulings will likely go the same way unless a higher court overturns it.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 days ago

    Technically the judge never ruled, but Yuzu settled the lawsuit, either because they didn't feel confident about their odds of winning, or that Nintendo just had more resources to fight a protracted lawsuit and the Yuzu devs did not.

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  • [–] 30 points 2 days ago (3 children)

    Stop hosting this stuff on GitHub people!

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  • [–] -5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    The only reason like projects like that have a following and is doscovered is because they are on GitHub

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  • [–] 13 points 1 day ago

    Idk. I can't speak for everyone, but I've never searched specifically on GitHub for a something. It's always from a Google search first which doesn't seem to have issues finding other platforms projects are on.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 day ago*

    Highly doubt this. If you build something as interesting as this people will find it through means other than Github search. And as people pointed out elsewhere in this thread, lots of projects put their code on Github but only use it as a mirror. That gives you most of the benefits of being on there.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 day ago (5 children)

    Why the F we're still hosting grey market on github I'll never know.

    Should just take all that shit over to RNSgit and host it on the dark side

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  • [–] 8 points 1 day ago (4 children)

    I wasn't familiar with this, and apparently neither was duckduckgo. Is this what you were referring to? https://reticulum.network/manual/git.html

    It looks interesting, thanks for putting me on to it!

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  • [–] 6 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    That is exactly it.

    Reticulum is a decentralized, mostly anonymous, encrypted network.

    rnsgit let's you host git repos on it.

    nomadnet let's you make 1990's style webpages on it.

    There are proxies and vpns and messaging (LXMF) and telephony (LXST)

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago (1 child)

    I've read a little about this tech, isn't reticulum network way to small to transfer large programs? I thought it was restricted to small instances of text?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

    If you're using a 200bps Lora radio, it's bad, but there are sites serving multi-GB files over TCP. Network works over hops, if you're more than a few hops from your target server you can try to find a closer backbone path. There's also a lot of mirrors going on.

    If people started using it in earnest, I'm sure we could come up with a DHT style solution

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  • [–] 51 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    Emulators are legal as long as you don't ship keys or weird shit, if GitHub takes them down even when no law was broken, then use another provider, GitHub is Microsoft and runs like shit.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 days ago

    When you cut off one head of the Hydra three more will take its place

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  • [–] 20 points 2 days ago

    They are slow. I expected that to happen way faster. But yeah, pretty much what everyone knew would happen actually happened. I don't get what it is with people hosting that stuff on GitHub. By now it's safe to assume they know that it's taken down.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 days ago

    Been using Eden and it's been flawless so far

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  • [–] 36 points 2 days ago

    Nintendo: Part time game company Full time law firm

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  • [–] 34 points 2 days ago (2 children)

    Too bad I’m still using my copy of Yuzu that they “took down “ two years ago

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  • [–] 12 points 2 days ago* (2 children)

    There is such news article every few months and yet no relevant emulators are down.

    I bet it’s a PR stunt but I have no idea who it could be aimed at.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 day ago*

    The PR stunt is aimed at the news cycle that's been gobbling up engagement-baited comments from absolutely everyone by showing off OOT Remake on PC (via emulators or the recomp). Seriously, it's catnip for clickbait. You get all of the following Very Engaged:

    • Nintendo fanboys (this is why nintendo is justified to do takedowns!)

    • PC Master Race / Sony fanboys (lol nintendo got owned!)

    • Anti-AI guys (all the current OOT stuff is vibe coded and that's terrible)

    • Pro-AI guys (all the current OOT stuff is vibe coded and that's awesome)

    All for the headline that implies you can play the shiniest new nostalgia bait Nintendo game on PC as easily and well as on the shiny new Nintendo console, which isn't even the case the way it was the last time a Zelda emulation fiasco overtook the games news sphere.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

    Nintendo is open season btw

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  • [–] 8 points 1 day ago

    Yuzu? Wasn't Yuzu already dead, and the main fork is Eden?

    Eden moved their project from GitHub to something else, I think, because Nintendo already tried screwing with them.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 days ago

    its very easy to use forgejo or radical to host your code. Fuck corpos piracy ftw

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  • [–] 8 points 2 days ago

    Any mirrors out there?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 day ago*

    How unsurprising, Ninty going full IP Godzilla again, even lashing out at some of the fanbase patronizing its games.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    That the community still uses Github for anything but a mirror?

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  • [–] 6 points 2 days ago (4 children)

    My games were digital so I don't know how I would be able to make my own rom for emulation and I'm not really interested in giving Nintendo more money

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago

    Any tool that can dump cartridges from a Switch or 3DS can also dump installed files. Cartridges are the exact same files under the exact same encryption as installed eShop games are. Anyone who actually wanted to emulate those systems while still being a good customer and paying for the games could very easily do so.

    Switch 2's piracy/backup "tool chain" is very limited and immature, and as of earlier this week is now only viable on a limited set of outdated firmwares and requires a lot of external shenanigans to get the initial entry point. It's a lot less accessible, even though the process works for cartridges or installed files.

    That said, every article like this that says "you must dump or provide your own ROM" is just saying "we aren't going to provide links to the pirate site hosting the ROM". The dumping process removes DRM from the files, so anything you could do with your dump can also be done with a copied version of someone else's dump.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 days ago

    mfw i made a switch emulator but i host it on corpo run repositories.

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    [–] 3 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    For anyone who self hosts as opposed to using a provider, how do you manage the danger of all the zero days from the software that your are using? To me the biggest reason that I would use github is because they have a dedicated reaponae team for managing patches, whereas I might be on vacation when my server is getting hacked to shit

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago

    You put layers Like an onion

    So you put cloudflare or tailscale or netbird or whatever infront of your thing. So you need at least two zero days for different products to be immediately fucked

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago*

    Don't expose your stuff publicly and it's pretty much a non-issue. There's no reason your private git server needs to be accessible from the web. If you need to access it when you're away from home, you can just connect back to your network with a VPN or SSH tunnel and then access your services like normal.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago

    I used to self host externally but keeping up with all the security just became exhausting after awhile. I pulled it all back behind a VPN, been so much nicer after. my containers still patch nightly, which up until now hasn't been an issue. Then i patch and reboot the actual servers quarterly. not so bad. So i would suggest if you are self hosting to not expose to the internet at all.

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    [–] -5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (6 children)

    until we can stop this 👇, that 👆will continue to happen.

    1000004863

    edit: if only Nintendo would get this much hate 🤣

    protest Nintendo or stop complaining about them taking actions against individuals.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 days ago (5 children)

    I don’t understand. Is it a problem that people are buying the game through the proper channels?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 days ago (2 children)

    I didn't read it as a call for piracy so much as a call for boycotting a shitty company. People are pretty bad at that though.

    Not me, but that's mostly cause I'm poor and enjoy the n64 too much to bother with some newfangled version, lol.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 days ago

    People are great at boycotting stuff they don't like. They are just bad at convincing millions of others that they should not play the games they like because the company making them is overly litigious.

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    [–] 14 points 2 days ago*

    Oh no my aliexpress and gitlab.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

    "Why do my possessions keep getting stolen from the Mafia-owned storage locker?"

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago

    switch 2 emu still up...

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  • [–] 4 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    Fit girl owns you Nintendo bahahah

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    [–] 7 points 2 days ago*

    I'm still under the understanding that any self-respecting reverse engineer, jailbreak, emulator, or modchip developer isn't running their stuff over GitHub, so therefore, if it was on GitHub in the first place, it wasn't worth using.

    Like, with how many times GitHub has just caved at the weakest of arguments, I don't see how anyone working serious about a project is still using them.

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