I switched to Linux. :3
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i was using windows 10 because I primarily use my workstation for gaming, and ten years ago linux gaming wasn't great. Then Steam pushed the envelope, but I was too lazy to switch. All windows 11 had to do was not be shitty, and I probably would have upgraded.
Now, I'm back on linux; my rightful home.
Microsoft’s Windows OEM revenue fell 27% in the July to September 2026 quarter
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I mean the windows 10 kill certainly pushed me.... to linux.
Should have switched sooner. Didn't realize what I was missing out on.
Pretty sure the drop had more to do with PC price increases from the AI-driven component shortages than the quality of Windows.
Hardware prices are particularily problematic for Window users who need to buy a new computer because Windows 11 is not compatible with their not-so-old computers.
I don't agree - Windows 11 was already really shit and losing popularity, then high prices may have put off some people who were thinking of upgrading their hardware to run it.
It was the push I needed to switch entirely to Linux.
It was already a long time coming, but I kept finding reasons to hold on. Windows 11 was just a line in the sand for me, felt like I was being asked to download malware.
That Windows sales are crashing could also simply be because of the crashing PC market. People are buying fewer PCs and Notebooks, which often come with Windows preinstalled.
Why are y’all hating on Microslop? They are awesome! They gave me the biggest gift of all with Windows 11. A high-speed-ticket to Linux freedom after 30 years of Windows. Fuck Microslop.
I used to dual boot, not anymore. MS won!
Edit: Just to be clear, I only use Linux now.
I'd bet this isn't even a Windows thing, more like computers are unaffordable as home units and companies are letting their fleets age longer than usual trying to get out from under current RAM pricing.
Lots of people have systems without windows 11 requirements: TPM or are on processors that arent supported by windows 11. Microsoft made a choice to force a lot of people to buy new computers and it didnt work out for them. Its not that people made a choice to hold out, they got left behind by msfts idiotic product choices.
It is not the holdouts, it is just that year of Linux desktop has arrived.
This all started when they skipped 9. Seven was good, 8 sucked, 9 would have been good. They broke the cycle.
Ten was the beginning of the end, and 11 is when the wheels come off.
They reap what they sowed.
Oh, I switched. And after one year of W11, I switched to dual boot Linux. And now I'm thinking to move W11 to my very old SSD drive as a backup option.
i forked up my debian forky install.. twice.. but it still has been a better experience than Windows 11
Computers in my house didn't support the TPM requirements. They work fine for everything else... Not buying a new computer just for Windows 11. I have 11 on my work computer and hate it. Home PC is mainly gaming (driving sims) now and I can't be bothered to try to spend time getting that all going with Linux. I (and I suspect a lot of other "holdouts") have better things to do - it's just not a priority.
I'm pretty much entirely Linux but I still dual-boot one machine for work and... I literally can't upgrade to Windows 11 because of the TPM requirement. And I'm not upgrading my PC during a massive surge in component prices just to accommodate Microsoft's nonsense.
I had to use win11 recently. Coming from Linux and macOS (yeah, work), I can't believe how stupid windows got. On top of all the performance issues and crashes, you can't even do the most basic things, like showing percentage of battery remaining and moving the freaking task bar. I'm not even mentioning all the initial debloating you have to do to make it usable.
Yeah my work made switch from Windows 10 to 11. There is definitely a lot of little annoyances.
What gets me is that there isn't anything new that I can see. It's always been an annoying thing with windows releases where they remove some things or make some things a little worse, but usually there are a few things to point to you could say "well at least that's better now."
With 11, it seems they released something that's slightly worse, didn't improve anything, and forced everyone to use it.
I guess they added copilot, maybe that was the big new feature that was supposed to make it worthwhile? LOL. Nobody liked it, it's too expensive and they're removing that now.
Jokes on them. I loaded 7 onto an old rebuild, and my next old one in going to be XP Pro just for fun. Already have 4 others running different versions of Linux.
Sales? Who's paying for a windows license?
Most people who by computers are. It's usually baked into the price of the hardware.
At least, it used to be. I don't touch that stuff anymore, so maybe it's different nowadays.
full price? idiots and companies. however the oem keys cost like 5 bucks.
maybe Windows 13 will be a good one.
I dunno, 7,8,10,11,13 might be a bit too consistent for Microsoft, we don't want people to accidentally understand what order things release in.
Introducing Windows S series X Live 360 One Professional.
Microsoft likes to reuse names for things that are unrelated. I think the new "Windows" will be called either "Windows OS" or "CoPilot".
Windows 10 is still getting security updates through October 27, so it still is definitely safe to use.
October 27, 2027, if you're in Europe IIRC
I tried updating a few years ago. It would download the whole update, do the thing, reboot and rollback to Windows 10. No error message. Every single time, it redownload the whole thing. I tried it about thrice. And then I gave up.
The last time, checked something about clearing data because I figured maybe it was disk space. I didn't realize that meant delete everything including Documents and Downloads without confirmation. Th-thanks, Microsoft.
I don’t get “sales” of windows faltering, because I think to this day you can still activate win11 with valid win8 keys.
Oh okay they mean OEM keys but those are tied to new computers so that seems to be wholly encumbered by a different problem which is needs for more compute haven’t gone up since 10 came out?
I refuse the update as well, and run Debian on a virtual machine when I am done messing around with gaming or whatever. Not doing any damned dual boots any more at this stage of my life.
Less holding out and more wondering why I should get a new mobo and cpu (When mine work perfectly fine) to run a new OS I only ever hear bad news about.
If you want to install Win 10 for whatever reason, you can use this to activate it: https://massgrave.dev/
I use Linux for most desktop things and Win for gaming.
Holdouts? We moved on. Microsoft has nothing to hold out for.
This is likely looking at “live” windows 10 installs compared to a recent peak, not “total windows 10 machines that never made it to 11” because a large number of machines can never make it to 11.
Not even that
Windows OEM revenue fell 27% as Windows 10’s upgrade boom faded
i used 11 the other day for the first time in 12 months on my gf's laptop, what the fuck ... I have had Mint on my desktop for 4 years now. Once year I run a legacy Tax program here in Australia that I can't get to work properly in Wine. This is the last year I need to run it thank fcuk.
I started with DOS. Then Windows 3.11, 95, 98. With XP I had already switched to Linux. Never looked back.
From XP on it was already clear Microsoft was not doing things in our favor... (Internet Explorer coupled with the OS... Seems silly now in comparison to the shit they are pulling)
I switched to Bazzite.
Couldn't be happier tbh. About as effortless as what's possible...
Switched to linux a couple years ago. Been mostly fine. The day to day is a basic-ass plasma kde desktop. I power the machine on. Type my password. Open firefox, steam, etc. It's fine.
One time after updating and foolishly following some "sudo apt stuff" to try to fix something preventing it from updating, it booted without a graphical environment, but reinstalling the nvidia drivers fixed that from the terminal. That was admittedly scary, but people in the discord were helpful.
I'd still rather have that kind of hiccup than support Microsoft.
It's me, I'm holdouts.
My experience with Linux hasn't been good enough for me to move yet. I want to, but I'm really resistant to having to fix a bunch of stuff and use CLI for basically anything.
I have zero desire to distro hop until I find what I like, but when it comes to my PC, I'm lazy.
Just FYI, I am another holdout but Linux hasn't been a command line required OS for like 20 years. (Unless you're doing driver installs) You should try KDE. I'm mainly holding it out because several games that I still play with my friends will not run in a non-windows environment.
I have an Ubuntu server I set up recently for streaming and I was surprised at how much it was still necessary to do about 50% of setup and troubleshooting in the terminal. Maybe Ubuntu is the issue instead of other distros.
One day I'll remote into another PC to browse the web, and only allow steam protocols on my win10 machine through a firewall to play games. Life will be good.
Inb4 Steam drops support for Windows 10, foiling your plan
There are websites where you can demo distros. You don't have to download or install, and can just check them out from the browser.
To his point, that requires effort and just not interested.
And I use Linux every day for servers - ESXI, NAS, Proxmox, etc - because it's fantastic for those uses.
But a desktop replacement is a much bigger thing to tackle, and I'm not interested in spending time on that. I've done some (Debian, Ubuntu, Mint) and ran into issues just doing what I consider basic things on a test machine.
Windows has its issues, for sure, but all the basic tools are there out of the gate - my 10 year old Logi mouse just works (doesn't on Mint), RDP to/from any machine just works (doesn't on Ubuntu), etc. And I only found out by running those distros as a desktop on hardware.
This is the gap we have getting people to switch. Regular users don't have our interest in getting things to work - to them a PC is the tool for doing the things they want to do, and tinkering with the PC isn't part of that.
Being in IT for most of my career ruined me on troubleshooting and fixing my own stuff. If it just works without needing to fix it then that's all I really want.
I have an Ubuntu server that required a decent amount of tinkering to get going but it's more of an appliance I use for Plex, music, and audiobooks. I just don't have the desire to tinker when I have time to play.
What?
I moved to Fedora this year and barely had to touch the CLI and I even have Nvidia.
There are distros that do literally everything for you.
The only reason not to switch is software for work, or laziness.
Same deal here. I'm happy running Linux servers, just not as a daily driver.
Switch to Linux you actual cowards.
It's not that hard.
Right.
Over and over I hear this from people who've clearly never managed a business environment where you have entrenched processes.
Or processes dependent upon specific software that has no Linux counterpart (CAD).
Even if an org could switch desktops to Linux, there's a massive cost just in the switching, then making sure it all works, then the lost production as employees figure out new ways to do things they've done for years.
Then what happens when you take on a new client or new vendor who only works with "this thing" that only works through windows? Now you have to spend time and money validating whatever solution you develop, instead of just using "the thing" which has already been validated through years of use by that ient/vendor and their clients/vendors.
Or when you're dealing with regulatory processes that have been addressed througjout your industry with a specific set of Windows tools, and those tools have been approved/validated by the regulatory agency or insurance agencies - and now you need to get the same process validated under Linux with Linux tools, hoping the regulators or insurers won't just say "nope, not interested".
BTDT, with alternate Windows tooling, and just got shut down because existing tools were available. "Why would you want to use a different tool when X process/tooling exists?"
It's just not realistic, even for many small orgs.
Switching is an investment in the business, not a cost. If you're already locked into proprietary software and you can't problem solve your way out of it, is it really your business at that point or are you a victim of racketeering? If the business can't adapt, one way or another it will fail eventually in any case. Not switching means you're giving more and more away and getting less and less in return. That also is not sustainable.
If you can still do the job your client is paying you for, they can be negotiated with on the terms of how that job gets done and what tools are used for it. That's what contracts are for.
As far as what people know how to use, they weren't born with CAD knowledge and things got done before CAD was a thing. New tools can be created, adopted or repurposed. Employees can be trained again, even if they grumble about it.
Regulators and insurance is a sticking point for sure, but they will follow if these tools become more ubiquitous or people start calling their representatives. Those businesses will lag behind, but those businesses are not the majority of businesses.
Change is inevitable and doing something the same way as it's always been done eventually becomes a major liability.
FreeCAD for CAD, PrePoMax, openfoam and calculix for FEA.
I wouldn't worry much, AI will free you from your CAD burden soon probably.
I love/use FreeCAD but let's not kid ourselves. It's nowhere near as capable or usable for serious engineering projects as the big name commercial CAD suites. It's starting to get there, but it has a very long way to go.
Blender, on the other hand ...
Sure but I highly disagre with you. I've been an engineer for 45 years. At least 20 of those years we did not have CAD and if FreeCAD had shown up, we would have jumped on it. Would you want to learn how to use an electric pencil eraser?
A true engineer doesn't blame his or her tools. It's people without experience who do.
Right, but it's the difference between using a beat up old hand saw and hammer vs selection of high end power tools to build a house. Either will get the job done, but one is significantly faster and less effort. There are also things that aren't feasible using just hand tools.
Solidworks has insane simulation capabilities and it's used in aerospace for that reason. AutoCAD has extensive, mature, specialized toolsets. Fusion 360's ease of use is unmatched and its built in CAM tools are phenomenal.
I've used AutoCAD, Fusion 360, Rhinoceros 3D, and currently use FreeCAD. FreeCAD feels like a buggier early 2000s AutoCAD in an alternate timeline that went with parametric modeling from the start. I often have to use weird workarounds to get the geometry I want -- particularly to maintain absolute and relative dimensions on parts I want to scale. The dimension reference system is clunky, the toolset is limited, and the simulation capabilities are ... primative.
I put up with it because I'm a FOSS fanatic and I'm not designing fighter jets or spacecraft. If I had to pick a CAD suite for a critical or complex project FreeCAD (as it is now) wouldn't be a contender. I do think that will change and look forward to it.
Actually, I'm gonna give you a bit of an orientation. AutoCAD sucks big time for anything other than whatever people think that thing is any good at. Fusion 360 is a desperate attempt to get users to purchase cad software without giving you much for it except for all the risk of one day disappearing like all the other packages and along all your time spent. Pro/E, Wildfire, Cro/E is a total heap of garbage along with its FEA package. And Solid works should be renamed to Solidoesntwork because its always been a wannabe ProE/inventor. All of these are garbage and I hate them dearly but I used them none the less because that's part of how I feed my family. If you really wanna brag about good CAD software with none piece of shit FEA garbage that solid works has, say UGNX, Ansys workbench and COMSOL. Those are holygrail can-do prerty much anything. With the solid works FEA, you can pretend that you know what you're doing. But with comsol you pretty much need a PhD or a good amount of exmerience or both. But like I said, a good engineer doesn't blame the tools. Good example... Microsoft office... What a piece of junk. Yet every idiotic company out there uses it! Why? Beats me! LOL. But have you tried saving? And it gives you that first entry field, so you carefully fill it out with your new file name and you go find a good place to save the file...only to find a new field to fill with the name of the file! Somehow thru a good 10 years nobody at Microsoft has ever though to fix that! They're focused on making the work area a little smaller. Specially when you're presenting... Hey can you guys see my desktop? Nahhhh! But you can see everybody's dumb face looking at you!!! Yet, I get to use that heap of junk every god damn day. I'm surprised they can sell this junk legally.
Hold outs! Fuckers said throw my perfectly working gaming computer in the trash and buy a new one. Get fuck Microsoft!
I had to switch because my laptop couldn't handle windows 11 and I needed a new one anyway.
Honestly had zero problems with windows 11 but still happy windows and microslop are dying
I'll wait for windows 12 thank you very much. I don't care fire switching every few years I only withstand changing maybe once per decade. Fuck off windows. If you want to be an innovative yearly thing find another industry.
Switched to Linux, it’s so much better. Only thing windows is good for now is playing those shitty “AAA” games with rootkit anticheat, and frankly with how much market share Linux is picking up in gaming thanks to the steam deck etc, those corpos probably won’t want to hold onto the sinking garbage scowl that is M$ + EAC for much longer.
There has never been a better time to switch to Linux. Just do it!
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