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[–] 71 points 1 week ago (26 children)

I'd argue the coffee is better for you vs the monster but don't smoke.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 week ago (21 children)

    No need to argue. Caffeine is only bad for your health if you take insane amounts of it, and coffee itself has actual benefits, something you could literally never state about energy drinks. As for smoking vs. vaping, dunno.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    Coffee filtered through paper filters to remove the cafestol, in moderation, shows marked health benefits.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago (3 children)
  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (5 children)

    Is vitamin B really that bad for you? Or taurine?

    The caffeine is mostly what makes energy drinks unhealthy too. That and the sugar but white monster is sugar free so if you put shit in your coffee instead of drinking it properly (black and no sugar), I'd argue that coffee is just as bad for you as energy drinks.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago

    B6 can cause nerve damage long term. Taurine is just a part of bile, it is an amino acid that is in basically all meat. You aren't going to get enough of it from energy drinks to swing the needle one way or the other. They also have sugar or sugar alcohols that can fuck with blood glucose in all kinds of fun ways. Coffee, on its own, is basically just caffeine and water, it is going to be healthier than most other drinks categorically.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago

    Honestly been wondering that a lot. I drink coffee daily. I don't feel like it's killing me. Surely it's not as bad as monster, but what if the amount I drink comes close to the same impact? Is receiving a daily dose of mental stimulants not supposed be part of a healthy diet? 🫠

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    also aluminium cans = microplastics

    aluminium is not safe for storing wet acidic things such as drinks, so the inside is plastic-coated

    i wonder, which is worse: the microplastics, or the aluminium salts that would be the alternative problem?

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  • [–] -3 points 1 week ago* (9 children)

    Vaping is turning out just as bad as smoking the more we learn of its long term consequences.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago (8 children)

    I never heard this. do you have sources that I can read to learn more?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 week ago (7 children)

    https://med.stanford.edu/visit/the-details/HealthEffects.html

    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12628669/

    https://www.lung.org/blog/vaping-isnt-harmless

    https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/e-cigarettes/health-effects.html

    There is still a dearth of evidence compared to 100+ years we have for smoking tobacco but the more we learn the less it’s possible to ignore how it’s turning out. Remember for decades that tobacco companies white washed cigarette smoking and even tried to make it sound therapeutic.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    E-cigarettes may have the potential to benefit adults who smoke and are not pregnant if used as a complete substitute for all smoked tobacco products.

    This sentence in the last link that you included contractics the suggestion that vaping is just as bad as smoking.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    I think there is also a specific use for cigarettes in that fashion, in any case cope harder. Vaping is bad for you.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    The original comment said "vaping is just as bad as smoking" but the links intended to support that claim said vaping is a better substitute than smoking. Better doesn't mean healthy, it means less bad.

    This seems like an opportunity to learn something, but instead you choose to cry, "cope harder" to someone that tried having a conversation in good faith, and doesn't even use nicotine products.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    The original comment says that “As we learn more vaping is turning out as bad as smoking” not “vaping is as bad as smoking” those two statements are not equivalent. My point, more eloquently stated and harder to mis-represent, would be that one shouldn’t assume vaping to be a healthier alternative before we have all the data and really know especially when we do know that vested interests have mislead public opinion on the use of nicotine products in the past.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

    Non-smoker current vapers had higher incident risk of respiratory symptoms (relative risk, RR=1.90; 95% CI: 1.28–2.83) but statistically non-significant risk of chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) (RR=2.53; 95% CI: 0.96–6.67) compared to never users. They also had lower incident risk of respiratory symptoms compared to non-vaper current smokers (RR=0.75; 95% CI: 0.64–0.89) and dual users (dual use vs vaping, RR=1.26; 95% CI: 1.03–1.55).

    Do you guys ever read what you link or what? We consistently know that vaping is bad for respiratory health but better than smoking, it's very well established at this point

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago* (3 children)

    And vaping is barely better than traditional cigs despite what people want to believe. They’re both horrible in different ways.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Don't get me wrong. Vaping is a highly underregulated market, and only god knows what the flavoring and coloring additives might do to your health. Even the health impacts of liquid base are not fully understood. BUT people who say vapes are just as bad as cigarettes, don't fully comprehend the damages done by repeatedly inhaling actual smoke.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago

    repeatedly inhaling actual smoke.

    As compared to liquid vapor, which lungs are known to really enjoy ;P

    Not necessarily disagreeing with you that cigarettes are a good chunk worse than vapes, just a funny

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  • [–] 34 points 1 week ago (2 children)
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    And maybe a pipe later.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    You shouldn't smoke cigarettes.

    But a French breakfast is a glorious way to start a day.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 week ago (10 children)

    Remove the cigs and it's actually a good upgrade, coffee does not cause much issues unless you drink 3 glasses a day

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  • [–] 19 points 1 week ago (7 children)
  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago (6 children)

    Me self medicating ADHD with 4-5 cups of expresso

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago (5 children)
  • [–] 10 points 1 week ago (8 children)

    If not for the Marlboro at the bottom, I would have been left puzzled what the top left item is.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 week ago (7 children)

    It's a boofer. You use it before anal sex to scent and clean your butthole via steaming

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  • [–] 11 points 1 week ago (5 children)

    can confirm. tetris has a fantastic smell to their butthole. it’s kinda floral.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Can you send me their underwear, I want a whiff.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Hmm Styrofoam for that extra health debuff

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  • [–] 8 points 1 week ago* (1 child)

    its early in the morning

    about a quarter to three

    and I'm sitting here talking to my baby

    over cigarettes and coffee

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  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago

    Just the black coffee that tastes like mud in a foam cup for me thanks.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago

    My old roommate used to call coffee and a cigarette "a pilot's breakfast."

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  • [–] 18 points 1 week ago* (3 children)

    Vaping and coffee are both less likely to kill you than their alternatives

    Seems like it's not about traditional vs modern

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Yep, that's why vapes so heavily promoted. Who cares if you get lead poisoning and are stupid if you die later and can work longer.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Vapes have lead? I thought they were concerned about the aerosolized polyethylene glycol.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Theres an alignment chart in here somewhere, and Im pretty sure Ive been in each section of it at some point

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  • [–] 8 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Tea motherfucks, do you drink it?

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  • [–] 11 points 1 week ago (14 children)

    I think the world is a better place without foam cups and cigarettes

    Vaping and energy drinks have there own problems but are not nearly as bad

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  • [–] 39 points 1 week ago (10 children)

    Those disposable vapes are so fucking bad for the environment

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  • [–] 9 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    They're also mostly for kids, who shouldn't be vaping anyway. They should be banned.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Idk, I'm a full adult and like them. They're yummy.

    I like the fruit flavored nicotine pouches too.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    ...and your lungs

    Sure they are probably better than cigarettes but the bar is extremely low

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  • [–] 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    I'm not one to complain about what harms people choose to expose themselves to. Everyone owns their own body. The environmental damage effects us all though.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Paper cup coffees and regular cigs are better of these evils. Foam is cursed, but not as cursed as disposable or even rechargeable vape. It's like comparing soft and cold, but someone's more obvious individual likeness to get a lung cancer may be less significant than a trace of li-pol batteries they'd leave after them, I believe.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 week ago (11 children)

    Yeah change shit to piss.

    How about... None of those and touch the grass idk?

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  • [–] 13 points 1 week ago (9 children)

    Yeah, can we stop normalizing extremely harmful and addictive substance use? It's really weird how there are so many pro-smoking posts cropping up everywhere.

    Anyone I've ever met IRL that smokes deeply regrets ever starting and would never encourage others to pick it up.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 week ago (7 children)

    Idk, if a meme convinces someone to start smoking, they probably would get into it regardless.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Memes that depict it positively are a subtle way to normalize the behavior.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago* (1 child)

    Energy cigs (they are regular cigs with a lil bit of ice sprinkled in)

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