image saying "at least the important software isn't being vibe cod-" (cut off) and showing a graph of em dashes in the linux kernel over time with a sharp rise the past few years

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[+] 222 points 2 weeks ago (18 children)
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  • [–] 35 points 2 weeks ago* (3 children)

    It could be a haiku. They don't need to be 5-75 syllables. It's more about an observation or a moment of clarity/realisation. The first two lines set up a concept or image, and the third line closes out the thought, usually with contrast. Just have to structure it properly.

    I really love the emdash,

    I’m very—very—upset ai ruined it for me.

    Cunts.

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  • [+] -13 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

    Turns out AI learned from humans, who learn from the writings they're exposed to

    It's an endless cycle, and we're only in the first revolution

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  • [+] 22 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)
  • [–] 9 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    On the plus side, drunk people would have a MUCH harder time starting arguments..

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago

    LLMs are really good at language, it's their whole thing. If you tell them to make spelling errors, they'll do it just as easily as they can copy the tone and cadence of MLK or Trump speeches

    Also, please no, I'm so bad at spelling

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    [–] 58 points 2 weeks ago (25 children)

    You can get a lot done when you've got 29 months in a year

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  • [–] 33 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    The weird US American Date scheme is not used in most of the world.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    I wish. Am European. I know one person that voluntarily uses their date and time formats. For reasons I will never comprehend.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    He or she must enjoy the endless confusion and friction in the interaction with others. That said, some idiotic IT systems use the US format to. Causes a lot of problems.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago*

    I'm in the US and have had problems with C-level douches misreading dd-mm-yyyy dates in some system we had that logged in that format and freaking out (and also missing that the log time stamps were in UTC-0, causing further confusion/freakout)

    Anyway, this is part of why I always use yyyy-mm-dd, because nobody will confuse that date string for any other date, and everyone who can understand dates at all will be able to read it.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 weeks ago (11 children)

    Because one lives the other should not long live Y-M-D

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  • [–] 19 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

    NO. You need a character per digit and you always want the leading 0 shown.

    YYYY-MM-DD

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  • [–] 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    ISO 8601 is the only correct way.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago

    It's close, sure, but actually no. That standard currently requires the letter T (and no white-space) between date and time when both are present, and, frankly, that's ugly and a space should be allowed.

    An old version of the standard allowed the space, and GNU's coreutils seem to have carried on the tradition, so I'm not alone in thinking this.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (5 children)

    OP's graph uses slashes.

    Dashes would remove all the confusion.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 weeks ago* (4 children)

    No because it's the global format that typically uses periods.

    D.M.Y (normal)
    Y-M-D (superior)
    M/D/Y (mental illness)

    Mixing up the formats and denominators makes this mess even worse.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    you should also always specify YYYY-MM-DD because often M and D ignores leading zeros, YY means the 2 digit suffix, and Y… well, i don’t even know what that is but i’m sure it’s something less specific than YYYY

    if we’re going to be picky about being clear about things, let’s be truly clear about things

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    YYYYY would be something like "The Year of Our Lord, Two-Thousand and Twenty-Six" (or probably just "Twenty Twenty-Six", but the other is more ridiculous so I'll go with that)

    Y would just be "6" but I can't think of any context where that would ever be used

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  • [–] 73 points 2 weeks ago (31 children)

    The em dash thing annoys me because I actually used em dashes a lot in my own writing. Now I've had to change how I write to keep people from assuming I'm using generative tools for writing.

    In the plus side, our mayor loves my writing style because he thinks staff should be using AI for everything.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

    I used to like the punch of "It's not just ___, it's ___" but I've pretty much removed that from my vocabulary.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    I'm trying to stop using "for bonus points, ____". I don't have any bonus points left to give out.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

    I never even heard of an em dash until I started reading about AI. I was just using hyphens everywhere I was apparently supposed to be using em dashes. I am a stickler for grammar and correct punctuation (except for punctuation inside quotes which my internal programmer won't allow me to do the American way) so I've started using em dashes -- and now people think I'm an AI.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 weeks ago* (2 children)

    That's no —, it's two hyphens playing pretend!

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  • [–] 6 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    Wait, what's the rule for punctuation inside quotes? I don't think I've ever noticed a regional difference.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

    In the US, the punctuation is supposed to be inside of the quotes, even if that punctuation wasn't actually part of what's being quoted. So if somebody says "your mother sews socks that smell," the quoted partial bit would be typed as "your mother sews socks." In Britain it would be "your mother sews socks". The difference might not be really obvious visually; it's whether that period (which is required to end the sentence) is before the end quote or after it. Apparently programmers in the US (like I used to be) have gravitated towards the British style because with string variables (which are generally delimited by quotes) you can't be farting around with adding phantom punctuation inside the quotes, even if it is grammatically correct here.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    I'm I'm not mistaken, the reasoning for this goes back to the printing press era. The comma or period would be on the same type block as the quotation mark; dealing with individual blocks for , or " was too fragile or fiddly. So they had blocks for ," and ." that were used regardless of sentence structure

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  • [–] 12 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    I've just been using en dashes this entire time, was once accused of being a bot because I used them, and as a result I found out that I was using dashes improperly — and should instead use em dashes.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

    They’re useful—especially to avoid over-using other punctuation such as semicolons; I also use them to avoid back-to-back sentences with exclamation marks!

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  • [–] 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

    I use them when connecting a thought in between another thought—for example, what I just did right now—and then returning back to the original thought. I use a semicolon when connecting two related thoughts together*; LLMs tend to only use one em-dash, so I'm hoping that by using two of them instead—and a semicolon instead whenever an LLM would use an em-dash—there will be no confusion as to whether or not I'm human.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    They’re useful. Especially to avoid over-using other punctuation such as semicolons. I also use them to avoid back-to-back sentences with exclamation marks!

    There you go. It's easier, clearer, and less pretentious.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Okay, but you've just created a sentence fragment, which is fine unless you were trying to use complete sentences.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago* (1 child)

    Why do you care about the opinions of people who can't even fathom that someone might use Alt-hyphen to get an en dash (or shift-Alt-hyphen for an em dash)

    And that's on Mac. Obviously on Linux there are even more options. (Compose key and so on)

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago

    I don't advise changing the way you write. It's a skill you need to flex, and unless you're using em dashes incorrectly then you should be able to find ways of differentiating yourself from AI without fundamentally changing how you communicate.

    Idk, just food for thought. Fuck anyone that tries to say I use AI to write — they can eat a bag of dicks.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    It's probably about to drop off. Opus 5.5 isn't outputting em dashes in work produced anymore

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  • [–] 24 points 2 weeks ago

    Recursive self—emprovement

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  • [–] 21 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Can we have this divided by the total number of commits?

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  • [–] 19 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    maybe people have now see the em dash in use enough that they're observing it's greatness in real usage!!!!

    /s

    -f pour one out for the em-dash, it's reputation has been tarnished

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  • [–] 33 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    1000 day intervals... Nice. MM/DD/YY... Not nice.

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