I was thinking about the phrase 'The pot calling the kettle black'. It comes from a time where cooking was done over open fires and cookware would become visibly ashy. (Fun fact: It first appears and was perhaps coined by Cervantes in Don Quixote!)

What are some other idioms that have lost their literal connection to time? What would be a good modern replacement?

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[–] 102 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

"Avoiding things like the plague" because people did not actually seem to want to avoid the plague last time around.

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  • [–] 63 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

    “Burning the midnight oil”

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    Good one! I would offer 'Draining the house battery' as a replacement but it doesn't really have a ring to. Maybe 'You've been living in low blue light mode'. No that's even worse! somebody help me here 😅.

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  • [–] 41 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

    Don't put the cart before the horse.
    Don't submit your post before you write it.

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    Oh, man, when it comes to nautical idioms, I could go on all day. There are so many, and they've lost their literal connections so thoroughly, you probably don't even think of some of them as idioms. A few that occur to me immediately:

    • taken aback (wind on the wrong side of the sails)
    • give a wide berth (extra space for a vessel to maneuver)
    • leeway (unwanted downwind slippage of the vessel when in motion)
    • above board (on deck, the board being the section of the hull running fore and aft just above the water line)
    • onboard (to load onto the deck of the ship)
    • go by the board (to fall off of the ship into the water, passing the board on the way)
    • hand over fist (two-handed motion to pull in sails, ropes, etc. as quickly as possible)
    • high and dry (above the tide line)
    • loose cannon (a gun insufficiently secured would cause havoc on a warship when fired, or as the ship rolled in waves)

    Honestly, I'm not sure that I want modern equivalents, since many are so rich in imagery.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

    Honestly, I'm not sure that I want modern equivalents, since many are so rich in imagery.

    I do love the imagery of "loose Canon", and by "love" I mean that as it's been described and depicted, it's a truly horrifying situation. So it makes for a really visceral image.

    A quick aside: there's this murder mystery/logic puzzle game called "the Return of the Obra Dinn" that takes place on a merchant ship. The game is basically like a series of still frame dioramas that you have to analyze and figure out what's going on. There's a particularly striking scene with a cannon which breaks loose from its chains and several unfortunate sailors. It took me a long time to actually find the third sailor in the scene... (There wasn't a lot left)

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  • [–] 33 points 3 weeks ago (13 children)

    FYI this can still happen on liquid propane stoves, so not totally lost to time.

    Maybe "Kill two birds with one stone", because who hunts with stones anymore?

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  • [–] [S] 40 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    As a software dev I'll offer 'Kill two bugs with one patch' as a replacement.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    I think I remember seeing a PETA post years ago that suggested "feed two birds with one scone"

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago* (1 child)

    Yeah that one bugs me. I can feed multiple birds with one scone easily. I'm putting in too much effort here, but this recipe has the macronutrient mass of a single scone at 90g. The average crow weighs about 300-600g. I chose it because it's a common bird that would be interested in scone and that people like to feed, that's on the bigger end of birds people feed (outside waterfowl). One crow isn't eating nearly a third of its mass in one go, a sixth maybe. Songbirds aren't even getting close to that.

    Killing two birds with one stone implies some skill or fortune. You wouldn't say it to describe picking up tomorrow's groceries with today's. Feeding two birds with one scone is only difficult or fortunate if those birds are geese, and even then I assume the only reason two managed to get their bills on that thing is because they're fighting over it.

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  • [–] 33 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

    Dollars to donuts originated in an age when a dollar could buy a considerable quantity of donuts. Inflation has since reduced the literal interpretation of the expression to nearly even odds.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 weeks ago

    Also donut shops overcharge. Donuts used to be super fucking cheap. That's why they'd be next to the coffee pot at every function, and in the work break room. Now they want like $2 a donut. It's dough that's been boiled in grease. And they get to reuse the grease for many boilings. C'mon.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago

    I'd bet you dollars to RAM...

    Also, I enjoy etymology. To me donuts will always be doughnaughts. (Naught meaning nothing or zero. Essentially zeroes made of dough.)

    I came here for this comment. Thanks OP.

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  • [–] 63 points 3 weeks ago (22 children)

    "Have your cake and eat it too" doesn't really make sense. Cake is not rare or expensive enough that simply possessing it feels good. If you have cake, all you want is to eat it.

    The italian version, "you want a full barrel and drunk wife" illustrates the same situation much more clearly.

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  • [–] 32 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (8 children)

    That’s because it’s backwards. Should be “eat your cake and have it too”

    Edit: While that preserves the form and is recognizable as the common saying, it makes the meaning clearer if phrased as “Eat your cake and still have it”.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Also wanting to eat your cake and have it too is supposed to imply you're like a toddler having a tantrum because you're just coming to terms with the rules of object permanence: a person playing peekaboo or hide-and-seek can disappear and still come back, but if you eat your cake it will be ALL GONE!!!

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  • [–] 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

    Even flipped, it's still weird in English with "Having cake" meaning "Eating cake" in most contexts anyway.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    You cannot have a cake in your possession and also eat that cake. Once you eat it, it is gone.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 weeks ago*

    I was confused by this one too, but then I thought about it in the context of a wedding cake; you want to have it as a beautiful thing to show off to all of your guests, but you also want everyone to enjoy how good it tastes as a desert. You can't have both simultaneously, so you have to pick

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  • [–] 6 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    When I was a kid, I remember asking my mom about this phrase because it made no sense to me. Why in the world would one even want a cake if they weren’t going to eat it? What is the point?! (I have always been particularly fond of cake — eating it, that is — who cares if it’s pretty if it tastes good?)

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  • [–] 6 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    According to legend, some people have what's called "deferred gratification", by which they drive pleasure out of knowing that they will get to eat the cake later.

    I don't get it either. I think it's a myth.

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  • [–] 25 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    (to do something) "on your dime," i.e. at your expense - A reference to public coin operated phones, which for a long time cost 10c/a US "dime" coin per call.

    Inflation by the late 70s had made the single dime call a thing of the past, but USD20c was still possible, and inflating phone fees in the 80s required increasing amounts of coinage. Public pay phones were decimated when mobile phones gained popularity and are virtually extinct today in the US.

    "on your card" might be a more modern version, but cards are slowly disappearing with NFC phone payments.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    In Portuguese the equivalent expression is timeless: "o sujo falando do mal lavado" (the dirty one talking about the badly washed).

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

    in Hungarian it's "the owl calling the sparrow 'big-headed'" 😄

    we usually shorten it to just "owl calling the sparrow" (doesn't have the same ambiguous meaning as English)

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago

    I didn't mentioned it above, but found that very similar to it in Spanish where we say "El burro hablando de orejas al conejo" (the donkey talking about ears to the rabbit) which we shorten to "El burro hablando de orejas" (the donkey talking about ears)

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  • [–] 32 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

    "Pulling my leg." Meaning you are making something up/joking at someones expense.

    It does not have any real connection to the present. The idiom came about in the mid-19th century. There's two competing theories about how it came about. The prevailing theory is that pick pockets, particularly child pick pockets, would pull on people legs to distract their mark. The darker theory is that it was related to pulling someone's legs when they were hanged in order to finish the ordeal if they didn't die from the initial drop.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (6 children)

    I don't know if its literal origin doesn't make sense to a modern person, but I think that most people still get the literal meaning of "pot calling the kettle black", that that is still understandable, so...

    We still use "penny-wise and pound-foolish" in the US. We haven't used the pound since we seceded from the British Empire, and we just ended minting of the penny.

    The saying apparently predates the US by about 200 years.

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    Until I looked it up I thought it was about the literal colour of the pot and the kettle. I even thought there might be racist undertones 😅. What's a good replacement for 'Pennywise and Pound foolish'? Maybe 'Steam saler, LootBox whaler'

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