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[–] 142 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

I'm amazed they've not crashed more. The PS5 and Xbox whatever the fuck they called it are both 6 years old, if you haven't already decided to buy one why would you get one now after the price hike?

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  • [–] 48 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

    Some people really want to play gta 6 before it comes to pc I guess

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  • [–] 15 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

    That’s how I ended up buying a PS3 back when GTA V was released. Well, that and Gran Turismo and wanting a Blu-ray player. But it was still not really worth it.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Gran Turismo 6 was a fun game though

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    I was actually a little disappointed. Friends of mine were huge GT fans and played the shit out of it, but when I played it I found the AI opponents horribly stupid and the missing damage model was mildly weird, to say the least. I expected more than what I got. It wasn’t a bad game, but just not what I expected.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 weeks ago

    I'll eat my shoe if a PC under $1000 will be able to play GTA VI even halfway decently when it comes to the platform. My handheld PC is nominally way more powerful than my Series S, but I'm lucky to get half the performance out of it because the Series S gets a bespoke treatment from devs to make it work well.

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  • [–] 69 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

    Not just here but everywhere. Everyone (except those with too much) is holding tight to their wallet until trump dies and some stability comes back to the world.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

    I don't really see what difference trump dying would make to me tbh. Got enough money, don't really want to buy many things even though I can afford them.

    I could afford a new gaming PC every year. But my RTX2070 is fine. I won't spend money without a good reason to and I don't really see many good reasons right now. I have pretty much anything I could reasonably.

    Cutting my hours worked, that could be something to go for.

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  • [+] -7 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Lol as if one person can be the cause of all this

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  • [–] 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    People have unfairly held US presidents responsible for the state of the economy in the past... But in this case Trump's illegal tariffs and pointless war with Iran absolutely are the cause of current high prices, or at least huge contributing factors. Republicans are a disaster for the economy...

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago

    He's both effect and cause, he wouldn't be there if the USA didn't have fundamental social problems, and if he didn't exist, someone else could have been in his place causing different problems

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  • [+] 170 points 3 weeks ago* (3 children)
  • [–] 27 points 3 weeks ago

    This is true. Who wants to spend all that money at once. My PC may be more expensive than I console but I spent no more than $250 at a time as I upgraded it. People don't need $1000 graphics cards to play modern games.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 weeks ago

    I had a ps3 and a ps4 and was fully up for getting a ps5. Then it came out right around COVID time and I couldn't get one anywhere because of scalpers. So I thought, "No worries, I'll just wait a year or two and pick one up for cheap." Then it just never got cheaper. Now it's like a 5-6 year old machine that costs over $900 CAD so I just never bothered.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 weeks ago

    And in the midst of these increasing hardware costs Sony thinks people would not mind paying the premium for their digital only games, completely killing the second hand and retail markets, bless their heart.

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  • [–] 58 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    It's the same theme everywhere. They build for some kind of non existent luxury market while buyers stretch themselves thin. Now no one has any money left and credit cards are maxed.

    We're not buying what's being sold. So now what?

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  • [–] 24 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    Now they blame millennials and gen z kids for ruining gaming

    And then they switch to everything being a live service so instead of buying games you just have access to the "whole library" of games (for whatever payment tier you're in) which they will change and remove games without warning and deleting all of your progress unless you pay them at least $20 a month for cloud saves

    Oh and the only games in the games library are ai slop vibe coded games that are unplayable carbon copies of each other

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

    Oh and the only games in the games library are ai slop vibe coded games that are unplayable carbon copies of each other

    Man, Ubisoft sure did trailblaze for the industry. Including that part where it has already started dying before its competitors.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago

    If me putting another 1000 hours into factorio is millennials killing gaming, I guess I will go and kill gaming.

    Nuclear MLRS robot spiders. Railway artillery cannons. Flamethrower turrets. Industrialised warfare. Why would I leave? I just started a marathon deathworld run.

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  • [–] 48 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    Hardware costs have gone up, compelling games releases for them have gone down (and didn't start from a good position).

    Such a mystery.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago

    Plus they bought up all those game studios only to close them, lay off all the workers, and cancel the finished or in-progress games for tax breaks. And like Sony, they have said that they will no longer support physical games, creating a monopoly in their digital store and destroying further goodwill from gamers like me. They have completely lost the plot...

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  • [–] 47 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

    Clearly this is because people are just tired of buying physical goods. They want digital consoles!

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  • [–] 15 points 3 weeks ago

    Yeah! Everything muat be digital and if someone still wants the box it can just have a paper with a code in it.

    I mean who would like to play the single player game about 5 years later when the servers are down?

    Right?

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  • [–] 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    The future will be even worse. Have you seen what people have been doing with AI the last couple of weeks. People have decompiled entire games using AI and made PS5 games run on PC natively. Something that took years by multiple devs takes a few days by a single dev with a Claude account. Sony and MS are definitely shitting their pants right now. Their solution will be cloud streaming only consoles.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

    Honestly, almost every console runs on my PC. Why not just make Microsoft Xbox for Linux?

    The hardware now is just an x64 or ARM platform built to a certain spec running a custom OS. Basically, a PC or a tablet or a Mac Mini.

    When you look at it that way, the idea of these walled-garden publishers and marketplaces starts to make absolutely zero fucking sense.

    The need for consoles is rapidly getting eroded. There's no proprietary hardware, no special sauce, nothing that they can do that a moderately spec'd PC can't do, and often for less money.

    Where they still succeed is just being easy enough, that they more-or-less just work predictably with barely more effort than running the updates that it prompts the user to run. And they're fucking all that up with stupid shit like Virtual Gamecards. It's honestly impressive that Nintendo managed to be the straw that broke my fucking back, would've never seen that coming. At least I knew what I was signing up for with GamePass (and they knew exactly why I term'd it when I did).

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  • [–] 46 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

    I won't purchase another system because I don't want to deal with 1) constant downloads- new games, game updates, system updates, data collection 2) logging in all the time 3) not owning a physical copy of a game.

    They complicated the fuck out of doing basic things on their systems and I want no part of it. What have they done to keep the consumer interested in their systems?

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  • [–] 29 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

    Microtransactions, ads, no offline modes, you don't own your own games any more... well they topped all of it with the new console. You buy games that are just empty boxes. Might be a slip of paper in there letting you rent it for $80 flat fee, but they'll take that game back any time they damn well please.

    NOW BEG FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT PEASANT.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago

    I find it weird tho, Xbox literally started 'cloud' gaming a few years ago and now there's games that can't be played on consoles. You need a subscription to cloud game instead of just using your console to run the game

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  • [+] -32 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    They’ve never taken a game back. Everyone is causing a fear that doesn’t exist. I only buy digital, never had a problem.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 weeks ago* (1 child)

    Exclusives.

    Legit the only reason.

    I guess it's also "easier" in a "It just works*" kind of way. Like you can have a pretty good expectation to how well a game will run on your system, and no fiddling with settings, or drivers, etc.

    This is a big point for the steam deck and similar handhelds. There's now a benchmark PC platform.

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  • [–] 43 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

    OMG! It's almost like constantly raising prices just isn't working out!

    It doesn't matter how expensive RAM gets, what the market is doing, how much AI is driving up component prices, or whether the market is bullish or bearish. At some point, consumers reach a breaking point. When a product becomes too expensive, people stop buying it. They don't particularly care why it's expensive. They care whether it's worth the asking price, and whether they can justify spending that much money on it.

    And that's the problem Sony and Microsoft seem to be running into. Between rising console prices, increasingly expensive games, subscription price hikes, and a growing number of anti-consumer practices, they've made gaming an increasingly expensive hobby while giving consumers fewer reasons to feel good about spending their money.

    What's worse is that these companies have spent years alienating a significant portion of their own fan bases. Aggressive monetization, digital ownership concerns, restrictive ecosystems, and the push toward subscriptions have steadily eroded consumer goodwill. You can only squeeze your customers so much before they start questioning whether they want to remain customers at all.

    At the end of the day, consumers aren't obligated to buy a PlayStation or an Xbox just because they bought one last generation. They can stick with their existing hardware, buy fewer games, switch platforms, or walk away from gaming altogether.

    You can't price your way to endless growth, especially when you're simultaneously giving your customers more reasons not to buy your products. Eventually, the market pushes back. And frankly, it's hardly surprising that we're seeing that happen now.

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  • [–] 19 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    If I have to drop nearly $1k on a gaming platform the money is so much better spent on a PC anyway.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Especially since on PC apps like retro arch give you better access to backlogs that these companies aren’t even offering! You want to play PS2 games 4k upscale 60 fps? Can’t do that on PS5. You can surely do it on PC though.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    Gaming is not an expensive hobby at all if you stick to good games. The best game in the world runs on a Pentium 2 with 64MB of RAM.

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  • [–] 40 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

    I literally own two ps4s and two copies of a game my SO and I wanted to play together, but neither of us have an active PS+. We would both have to resub just to play it together in the same room. It ended up being cheaper just to buy two copies again on Steam to play it together on PC/laptop. There's no reason to own a console anymore. Their convenience is completely gone.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    Similar-ish story here. I set up a Minecraft server for the household and set up Minecraft on the Switch so my kid can play it. Turns out you have to have a fucking Nintendo subscription to play online in Minecraft on the goddamn Switch on my own server that's on my own local network in my own house.

    Let's not even mention that you can't even add a custom server on the switch, you can only play preselected servers or Minecraft realms that you have to pay for. I had to do essentially DNS fuckery to make that work.

    Fuck these companies.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    I bought Minecraft for switch to play with my son. What a shit experience it was.

    First off, it took like an hour of trial and error to even get the two of us playing in split screen. Then I realized that to render split screen the game had reduced the draw distance to like 1/4th of what it was on PC years ago. We dealt with it until we actually had a good area built up and the frame rate dropped to like 10fps. Then my wife accidentally let Minecraft update and it bricked split screen until I completely turned off the switches WiFi.

    Recently purchased Java for PC, spent another hour getting couch co-op going on that and it's a completely different experience.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    To be fair, most of your complaint is about the hardware of a low-power device not being able to handle rendering double the game and then compensating accordingly.

    Which is an expected outcome.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago

    The game is advertised and sold as having split screen co-op. Having to mess with console settings to get it to work and the resulting experience being shit isn't excusable. Of course I didn't expect a full PC equivalent but I expected it to have a minimum of polish and optimization.

    If they couldn't make the game do split screen decently, they shouldn't put that as a feature. If the game can't be run decently in single player, they shouldn't have sold it at all.

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  • [–] 78 points 3 weeks ago (20 children)

    Gaming in general is way too expensive now.

    At least we have retro games to play instead.

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  • [–] 28 points 3 weeks ago* (14 children)

    Which I'm playing on my Steam Deck! Which starts at only...wait, 750 dollars?!?

    Edit: $790

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago (11 children)

    Or you could get an AYN Thor for 350$ + 30$ shipping and a wait time of 3 months

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  • [–] 13 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

    Or you could download an emulator and play on a 10 year old laptop on a big screen tv.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    Yeah, that's definitely directly comparable to a portable device like a Steam Deck or AYN Thor.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    About as comparable as the AYN Thor (Android phone with weird form factor) is to Steam Deck (PC with weird form factor).

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Are you unfamiliar with the concept of portability? Or do you carry a television everywhere that you go?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago* (1 child)

    Laptops are portable. I think the point of the TV was that the formfactor and weight of the system aren't a big issue when docked.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

    That's true. Or depending on what I want to play, lots of even cheaper systems. Although the Steam Deck is JUST powerful enough for everything I want to play.

    Edit: Also I use the shit out of steam play streaming to TVs and things

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  • [–] 19 points 3 weeks ago* (2 children)

    I dont really feel anything for newer games. Theres been very few that ive been excited about. Graphics dont woo me in the slightest.

    I feel ill booting up any console after the 360. Even the 360 was the start of enshittification.

    "Wait, you mean this has no internet, you put the game in and it works? Wait, you own the game? Sony vs Illinois made that illegal years ago! no sign in or email? How do they track your eye movements for serving ads? How do they count your verification cans ?" -2040 kids.

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  • [–] 32 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Turns out, fucking over your customers is bad for buisness. Who could have guessed?

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  • [–] 29 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    Congratulations to PCs for winning the console wars :3

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  • [–] 21 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    The win is in vain if you can't buy PC hardware either.

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  • [–] 25 points 3 weeks ago

    Another industry with its bottom falling out.

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  • [–] 22 points 3 weeks ago

    As a PC gamer concerned about game preservation: good. Consoles are just walled hardware fiefdoms.

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