Land of the free or something
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Go a step further. Report fake violations for your home constantly until they stop checking anything. Now you are above the law. Then start doing fake reports for everyone else until they shut down the anonymous form. Now you are free.
Just DDoS all their online crap
As much as I love that, you gotta be careful with that. Things are pretty traceable online.
SIX ENTIRE MINUTES OF FORCED TRASHCAN VIEWING!? You monster.
But also where else is it supposed to go? If you cant see it, neither can bin people.
Typically, you're allowed to bring it out to the curb after a certain hour the night before collection day and you need to get it back out of view by a certain hour after the garbagemen come through.
Some of my neighbors keep them out for days. No one cares. We all have better things to do with our time.
European here - what powers does a HOA actually have? Surely they can't make you leave or anything? Are their fines actually legally enforcable? What if you just dont pay them?
They can, and likely will, put a lien on your house which makes it harder to sell. Probably other avenues to fuck up your life too. Around me it's really hard to find a house without an HOA. It's probably like 90% of the market, or I triple my commute.
It's legally binding with the purchase of the house so there's no going around it.
But how can they have a legal right to put a lien on it? Do they have some kind of legal claim to the land or property? What's stopping any other organisation from doing this?
It's part of the paperwork you sign when you buy the house. It's essentially saying the can do that if you don't pay fines. Luckily my HOA is pretty lenient about things, but still sucks. I'd rather dissolve it and remove the restrictions.
They are part of the covenants, restrictions, and conditions that "run with the land." They are a more organized way of controlling the aesthetic of the neighborhood than traditional covenants. In practice they are used to harass people and were originally used to discriminate.
Yes, the fines are legally enforceable because (generally) you have to agree to them in order to purchase the house - joining the HOA and being bound by its rules either literally or functionally becomes a permanent part of the deed to the property. There isn't a legally viable argument that you only signed that part under duress because you could have chosen to live somewhere else instead. You could technically get a like-minded group of neighbors to run for the HOA leadership roles and eliminate the petty rules, but the rider contract to the deed still exists.
They can be very powerful, certainly when hijacked by lawyers, John Oliver did a bit on it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrizmAo17Os
It's incredible, and horrendous.
I'm pretty sure they can legally take your house away from you.
You mean the house you own?
Cause you don't own it in that case.
They can charge you fines, and if you don’t pay them they can put a lien on your house.
So no they can’t kick you out, but they can make it so that you’re unable to leave without paying them.
We have hoa-equivalents in Europe, tho. In my country they're called something like 'owners community', and they can even take your home if your debt with them gets too big. But I don't think they can fine you directly, the have to sue you, and the rules aren't usually as insane as in the States, but they can ban you from installing the windows you want, putting up a flag, hang your clothes to dry on the front...
It depends entirely on the location. My HOA is like 100 a year and it pays specifically for a security guard, a camera, and a few yearly neighborhood events.
This means if someone in the neighborhood decides to park an RV in their front yard and let grass grow 6 ft tall, it's up to their actual neighbors to go and knock on their door and tell them to buddy that looks like shit.
Other neighborhoods with amenities (like pools, tennis courts, country clubs, private security, secret police, drones, etc) have much higher fees to pay for those things.
Enforcement depends on the context you sign when you buy the house/condo/etc.
If you'd like a hilarious description of exactly where this system logically concludes, read like the first 2 chapters of "Snow Crash"
(If this sounds exactly like taxes paying for public infrastructure, it absolutely is, but with one difference: it encourages the absolutely worst people in the neighborhood with the most time to make everything their business. Eventually whatever their prevailing bigotry is bubbles into existence in the form of harassment like OP describes.)
An HOA can literally take over your home if you owe them fines, even if the fines are wrong. They can evict you, sell your home, and keep all the money, and there isn't a thing you can do to stop them. There are countless stories of HOAs getting vindictive toward a specific homeowner, and targeting them for foreclosure.
It should be illegal for anyone to take your PAID-OFF house for taxes, HOA fees/fines, or any other reason. The government and the HOA are infinite, and will be there after the homeowner dies or sells, and they can get their money then. Nobody should be able to take your house away for any reason, or there is no such thing as home ownership.
https://nypost.com/2026/09/15/real-estate/arizona-man-loses-475k-home-over-977-hoa-debt/
Sorry for the nypost link
I'm surprised she didn't drive her SUV. At least you're getting her some exercise.
Any time I've sought to purchase a home, I've told my realtor that "no HOA" was a mandate.
Land of the free.
HOAs are bulllshit. It’s my fuckin house. If I want to ignore the fuckin lawn, that’s my perogative.
Just make sure majority of your neighbors agree and change the rule in a meeting. Easy peasy.
Even if you're not in an HOA, your county/city might have an ordinance requiring that you keep your lawn at a reasonable height, though those tend to be much less restrictive because they're trying to keep your lawn from turning into a hay field.
Most HOAs have a contract with a lawn care/snow removal service.
lol no they fuckin don’t
Most HOAs are to keep black people from living there. Unless they’re one of “ the good ones”
what the fuck? who cares about that shit?
Boomers who have nothing besides their house which is now worth twice what they paid for it.
weak people who crave power, but are otherwise unable to attain any.
HOAs are filled with people with mental illness that force an anti-social relationship with all of their neighbours. It's kinda of like a social prison with Karen wardens.
For the most capitalist country in the world, its neighborhoods sure are suspiciously soviet.
That’s because for every “instance” they charge an assload of ridiculous fees. It’s not Soviet at all. It’s just another form of capitalism.
If it was actually socialist and not just authoritarian it would be a housing coöp. HOAs are only aligned to the will of developers and people using housing as a form of investment.
The primary goal of most HOAs is house price. It should be livability and repair of public resources.
HOAs are idiotic. I was president (forced, it was a rotation basis) in one. First thing I did was convene the assembly outside, at 13:00 in the summer, no chairs. The meeting went from the previous 2 1/2 h. to 15 minutes. I'm going to install 3 heat pump compressors on the side wall of the building, which 2 or 3 Sandra Karens make furious noise about. I'm preparing a legal nuke, created with A"I", detailing every single thing that protrudes from their wall, down to the milimiter. Probably wouldn't hold up in court, but if you ask a text generator to act as a vicious lawyer to draft a text for this with enough detail, they can whip up very scary texts. If they try to making me take them down, I'm going to hit them with notices to take down EVERYTHING that protrudes from the exterior, including planters, flags, and even fucking door knockers.
Fuck HOAs
So you became the shitty HOA president that everyone complains about to what, show everyone that you're tough? I'm confused.
Are we supposed to be sympathetic to this comment? Add in AI bullshit if that wasn't already enough. Yikes.
Why would so many people upvote this comment? So odd.
Lemmy hivemind circlejerk: Grrrr, HOAs bad!
Did you read the comment I replied to? They outlined their behavior, and it's explicitly the behavior of a bad HOA president.
That said, I think HOAs are a great example of an unworthy and unnecessary hierarchy that we've imposed on ourselves for no real benefit.
Well, you should be sympathetic! I use Lemmy as the basis of my emotional scaffolding. Your attacks are making me suffer unnecessarily. Racist!
If you really wanted to do something, then dissolve the hoa entirely.
I see you share Trump's beliefs about governing.
Fortunately, my HOA isn't bad at all. My money mostly goes to the landscapers, who do a pretty good job with everyone's front yard. Water is included. The main complaint happens in the spring when some people's grass turns green before other's and they complain that the HOA isn't watering the grass enough. A couple of weeks, every spring.
Also, people complain about things that the HOA has no control over, like cars on the street, or issues at the parks, or sidewalks and roads, or fence and wall height allowances/limits.
Mine apparently is abandoned. Dude who owned the road died 20-30 years ago and people just stopped bothering with it years before I got here. Cheapest dirt on the market and I doubt all the old people here are planning on selling anyway. So everyone just does whatever now.
No angry words, problems or disputes with anyone in 8 years.
It really isn't bad unless you have a militant one which I will never understand.
I don't own the place but the one I live in won't even let you put up a privacy fence. Only those shitty little metal rail fences. Can't go in the backyard without everyone on the block seeing into your business and all the dogs on the street bark at each other constantly. They also don't like pools for some reason but that doesn't really affect me.
The problem is that the probability of any given HOA becoming militant approaches 100% over infinity time.
that the HOA isn’t watering the grass enough.
Grass shouldn't be watered. If it needs to be watered, you're growing the wrong thing for your climate.
Golly gee, the least they could do is post a link to the anonymous reporting form and Sandra's address.
You know, there are a lot of very inexpensive places without HOAs you could live in, but they might not be up to your standards, go figure.
You sound like someone who has zero experience with HOA's
I don't think you know what someone without HOA experience looks like. I've had houses in HOA regulated neighborhoods, village regulated neighborhoods, and unregulated, and I definitely prefer the village and HOA.
This shouldn't have to be said, but stop moving to regulated neighborhoods and then bitching about an authority you voluntarily accepted. Do you have agency? Of course you do. But face the facts, regulated neighborhoods are nice. They are desirable. And so you want to move there but then have your feelings hurt that you're not allowed to shit the place up. Boo god damn hoo.
Noooo but HOAs are only there to stop black people!! Seriously some people are crazy. But still, even when you consciously buy such a house, you can still bitch about too crazy HOAs like with TO.
As if the houses they're slapping together in all these hoa developments aren't going to be falling apart in 15 years.
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