I would also include anything that was initially a flop on its original release but then found a following later such as movies like Momento. This still counts as commercial failure for the sake of this question.

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[–] 53 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (8 children)

Firefly. Watching Serenity, it's pretty obvious they're trying to hit several seasons' worth of story beats in as little time as possible. Seeing it as intended would have been really cool.

Honorable mentions (in no particular order):

Fight Club

The Iron Giant

Grindhouse

Waterworld

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  • [–] 19 points 1 month ago

    The appearance of Fight Club on your list surprised me - I thought it did well. But I looked it up - it was #1 on opening weekend but ultimately only turned a profit of $10m, which is indeed a flop. Wild considering how well regarded it is now.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    The Iron Giant

    I was wondering if anyone would mention it! By far one of the most influential animated films of my youth, might have even been the reason I continued to enjoy animation past my childhood.

    It flopped in theaters because despite test audiences loving it, Warner Brothers dropped the ball on marketing and nobody even knew it was in theaters. But from what I heard it gained a massive cult following, and I remember it being shown every holiday season for years as a kid.

    After all these years, the final "Superman" still gets me...

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  • [–] 36 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    Dredd. Karl Urban always gets me in the door, but the movie ended up being pretty great.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    That movie was so good. And what made it great was that it was like reading just some random issue of the comic.

    No origin

    No world at stake plot

    Just another day for Dredd

    Like picking up issue 24 and just reading

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    That’s one of my favorite parts, too. The story is relatively “small.” It’s 2 judges, one building, and some bad guys. That’s why I love Dredd’s final interaction with his boss so much. I don’t remember it verbatim, but it’s something like:

    Boss: what happened in there?

    Dredd: drug bust

    Boss: you look like you’ve been through it.

    Dredd: Perps were…uncooperative

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    I wish MCU would do stories like this. I mean I would watch a Spiderman movie where Spidey stops low level crooks and the big problem is peter trying to make rent.

    Not everything has to have the world at stake.

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  • [–] [S] 10 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    This is actually the movie that prompted the question! I forced my fiancé to watch it with me last night (I'd seen it before) and he loved it!

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago

    That movie is so damn good. Every other film adapting a comic book has to make it either an origin story or some major event in canon. Dredd is literally "this is a slightly unusual but not that abnormal day for this guy" and it's absolutely riveting. And that's how the Dredd universe is: everything is intense and over-the-top.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Treasure Planet.

    It's probably a good thing that Disney's forgotten about it. I don't wanna see them try to remake it.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    That Speed Racer movie that the Wachowski’s made. I think it’s a fun film and I feel fortunate to have found a handful of Lemmy users who also appreciate it.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I knew one guy for years who swore up and down it was the best thing he'd seen in ages. Loved that movie. But he was also a troll with really questionable taste so I just ignored it.

    But I see it get brought up like this fairly frequently so unless you're all his puppets maybe ill watch it.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 1 month ago

    It is the only live actually movie I've ever seen that feels exactly like a cartoon. It got released in theaters for its anniversary recently and being able to watch it on the big screen as an adult was genuinely amazing.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    That movie was too far ahead of its time for its own good. I remember hating it in theaters but gave it another chance recently on a friend's recommendation.

    Holy shit. The world was not ready for that level of cinematography. The scene transition from the villain's office to the big race is pure art. People will be studying that one in film school for decades.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago

    The Wachowski sisters are some of the most underrated filmmakers of all time. Everyone basically wrote them off as just, you know, the slow-mo kung fu people, and it's absolutely tragic that they don't get the respect their work deserves.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Mystery Men. Probably 20 years ahead of its time. I don't think people had been inundated with superhero movies enough to appreciate the deconstruction. Aside from one or two short pointless scenes (what purpose did the skunk scene serve?) the film is incredibly tight, peak comedy.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

    Dirk Gently (the last TV show)

    Better off Ted

    Dead like me

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  • [–] 23 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    Weird Al's film UHF.

    In a just universe it'd have made a ton of money, spawned sequels, and set Al up as just as successful a screen performer as he is a musical performer. As is it flopped in theaters, but gained a well-justified cult following on home video afterward.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Event Horizon. I consider it in-universe canon for Warhammer 40,000.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    Same. As far as I'm concerned that film is a depiction of what happens if you enter The Warp without a Gellar Field.

    When I first saw the movie I was very unhappy because it was not at all what was advertised. I was expecting a sci-fi thriller, not Hellraiser in Space. It was quite badly marketed. If it had been marketed correctly it might've done far better.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Blade Runner 2049 was technically a commercial failure by hollywood standards.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    Donnie Darko. It perfectly fits your second criterion. It was an abysmal flop in theaters, mostly because its ads got pulled because it featured

    spoilersa jet engine crashing into a house just 6 weeks after 9/11.

    It had a budget of $4.5 million and only made $500k in theaters. But it later exploded on DVD and made $10 million.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Dark Matter.

    I was primed onto that show after playing a lot of Fractured Space, which was also a commercial failure.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Season 2 was just released (mostly); I don't think it was a failure. It's gotten better reviews than season 1.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Heh, I think you're referring to the wrong Dark Matter. The one I'm talking about premiered in 2015 and was cancelled after 3 seasons.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    Oh right haha, I forgot there was another series called Dark Matter! I remember that I read the book by Blake Crouch - that the current series is based on - and loved it, but being a little confused when I watched the trailer for that series.

    This one is good too, though. I recommend it.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    Jesus. Probably most of my media library? It's genuinely a surprise when anything I really like is successful.

    First thing that comes to mind is Blade Runner 2049. Film flopped hard, but it's a god damn masterpiece. Absolutely perfect way to build on the ideas presented in the original, while also playing with a whole new set of notions on top of that. Gosling continues to be incredible, the soundtrack is pure magic, and Denis Villeneuve is one of the best filmmakers in the world.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    I’m worried that the TV show is gonna be garbage

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    I love me some Michelle Yeoh, but yeah, I'm not really seeing anything that says it has a point to it beyond "Ooh, what if humans were the oppressed minority... How zany??!!!" It's got a real "Fox News telling you that straight white men are gonna get herded into camps" kind of vibe to it.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Yeah. Guess I should just focus on being hyped for Dune 3 and Denis eventually announcing his pick for Bond.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Wait, hold up... Denis is making a bond movie?!

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Yeah, they announced it earlier this year, not sure if it’s gonna be his next movie or the one after.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    Absolute hype. I didn't even know a Denis Villenueve Bond movie was something I needed, but fuck it, I'm down. I've loved every one of his movies going right back to Enemy, and I know he can do one hell of a tight thriller (Prisoners is about as perfect a crime thriller as I've ever seen).

    His upcoming movie I'm most excited about is Rendezvous With Rama, but that is so hyper-specific to my tastes that I'm honestly starting to think Denis making movies for me personally.

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  • Scott Pilgrim and Speed Racer were commercial failures. They are in my humble opinion two of the best cinema that get out of Hollywood. Being the commercial failures that they were Producers abandoned this side of the craft for the slop fest that we’re in now

    There’s some beautiful TV series that were cancelled after one season : Firefly (Whedon is an awful being), Almost Human, Kaos, Altered Carbon (they should have cancelled it after one season, the second not only killed the franchise it killed the possibility of doing more) to name a few

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago

    Reaper and Santa Clarita Diet.

    No idea if they were flops, or if they just got canceled because the actors were up to other stuff, or writers died, or the network heads were coked up or whatever idk. They were canceled before they could finish and im sad.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    One of them is Rock & Rule. I encourage everyone who's into cult films/animation to see it for themselves if possible, and try to seek out the Canadian version even though it's rare.

    Short summary: This movie almost bankrupted Nelvana animation studios, who spent $8 million on it for it to make about $33k in 1983. The colossal flop was mostly due to the distributor MGM/UA not knowing how to market an adult-oriented animated feature and recasting/redubbing/editing the fuck out of the US release version.

    To compound on the matter, the original print of the Canadian version was lost in either a fire or a flood, sources are mixed on what happened, and the remaining version is long out of print. A lone VHS copy of the Canadian version was digitized and released on DVD by Unearthed Films in 2005.

    Due to the films still being officially out of print (and one version destroyed), physical copies are rare and expensive (physical Blu Ray was going for $400+ on eBay last I checked). And you're likely only going to find the heavily edited US version unless you specifically search for the 2 disc DVD set. The Canadian unedited version is non-existent online, and neither version is available to stream. The US version is on YouTube though.

    Overall - great movie, great music, fantastic animation. Very 80s. It's a 10/10 to me.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

    Pantheon, the TV series.

    One of the best shows ever, IMO, so good I can’t say much without spoiling the premise in a Outer Wilds kind of way.

    Yet it was trampled by AMC and their failed streaming service. What a mess. I’m not sure it’s possible to even watch legally?

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    I guess it technical made money but Kung Pow! Enter the Fist.

    I saw it in theater and remember everyone laughing through the whole thing. Absolutely absurd re-dubbing of a couple of old kung fu movies by the guy that later wrote and directed Ace Ventura and wrote the Jimmy Neutron movie. The reviews were utterly horrible (deservedly) but undeniably funny. I still quote it all the time.

    For the unaware that where the "That's a lot of nuts!" comes from.

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    I quote it so often that it often doesn't occur to me that I'm quoting it.

    I implore you to reconsider!

    We have purposely trained him wrong, as a joke.

    I'm bleeding, making me the victor!

    THAT'LL BE FOUR BUCKS BABY, YOU WANT FRIES WITH THAT?

    Taco Bell, Taco Bell, product placement with Taco Bell. Enchirito, nacho burrito!

    Ba na na na na, Neo... Ba na na na na na na, Sporin

    Tiger... Tiger, tiger, tiger... Mmm. Bird. Birdie. Birdie birdie!

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago

    firefly is the most obvious. I remember sticking around for john doe and after they canceled it I stopped watching anything that night and then john doe got canceled because its ratings dropped like a crater.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago

    The Rocky Horror Picture Show was a flop on release but still has special runs in theatres now some 50 years later.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I don't know that Water World ever got a later following, but I love it and it's still an original take on the post-apocalypse genre.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    No one else gonna mention the 90s Mario Bros movie? It was one hell of a commercial flop, and set back video game movies a long time, but i love it.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago

    Wildest dystopian cyberpunk movie ever made. In an underground dinosaur society once ruled by a benevolent fungal king and taken over by corrupt corporation developing trans-dino de-volution technology to control the masses, two sanitation engineers from Brooklyn become heros. To do so they must hack the mycelial network to find the lost king, survive an electric vehicle demolition derby style car chase, and save the princess.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    I dunno whether it's my favorite, but I'd have liked more Firefly episodes.

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    Soldier(1998) with Kurt Russell

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    of the only two Transformers DVDs Blockbuster had growing up, one of them was THE TRANSFORMERS: THE MOVIE. i always figured that it was the main Transformers thing, because, y'know, it's The Movie! no idea that it wildly underperformed, drew the ire of parents everywhere, and was torn to shreds by critics (who compared it unfavorably to the movie where the GoBots fight literal rocks)

    granted it was vindicated by the recent theatrical rerun. i got to see the movie in a packed theater, and it finally broke even 40 years later

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    Loved this movie, and just saw it in the theatre again last week and had just as much fun with it as ever.

    My wife went with and had never seen it, and I asked her if her sisters would let their kids watch a movie like this today? 😆

    When they got to the acid pool scene, I just heard her say "oh my god!" and I was like, yep, this and Watership Down where what we watched as 80s kids.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Related to that, Transformers One flopped hard despite being possibly the best Transformers movie since Transformers: The Movie.

    That's not a particularly high bar to clear, but still...

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    Surprised no one's brought up The Room (2003) yet.

    Really hoping that the Bob Odenkirk remake becomes a real thing.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    Almost Human

    It wasn't exactly breaking new ground, the writing and such wasn't the greatest, but it was all good enough, and better than a lot of other shows out there, and I was definitely enjoying it enough to see where they went with it in season 2

    Years later after I met my wife, I discovered that she felt the same way about it.

    And I have a sneaking suspicion that someone at Quantic Dream felt the same way too and that's how Detroit: Become Human came to be.

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    John Carter. Disney did a shit job marketing it and it flopped so hard they gave up media rights back to the author's foundation. I'm hoping someone like Peter Jackson picks up the rights so it gets a second chance with the masses. With Dune's recent success I think there is consumer appetite for more.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Oh I have a few!

    Office Space

    The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou

    The Beach

    These three are probably my top favorite films of all time. I also have a soft spot for Tron Legacy

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    Most recently, Super girl was underrated.

    I also liked The Dead Don't Die.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago*

    Considering it was only a season long, the Deadman Wonderland anime. Such an interesting concept, so much so that just posting this makes me wanna read the manga for the first time.

    Also, had an amazing theme song, which is just an alternate version of Black Hearts & Dollar $ign$ by Fade.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    Guthenberg bible. Many dont know it was a comercial failiure

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    Interstate 60

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    Hedwig and the angry inch??

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    The Incarnations of Immortality series.

    Instead we just kept getting Xanth novels.

    Now, don't get me wrong, Piers Anthony is questionable at best, but the deep continuity and relationships and overall cohesion of the characters across several novels (we don't talk about the Good/Evil/Night DLCs) was actually quite impressive.

    If they'd succeeded more in a commercial sense maybe we'd have a cool remake or something.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    If i could cast one 9th level wish, i would go ahead and leave the future of the world to other people, and use it to wish that Piers Anthony had never done or written anything problematic, but have the books come out even better than before.

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