(not my image. I just find these comical and incredibly dangerous)

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[–] 88 points 1 month ago (5 children)

They are not legal in the civilised world.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Surprisingly, even Brazil is more civilized in that regard. Tires and rims may not extend laterally farther than front or rear bumpers.

    The downside is that people weaponize the sound system, so they don't even need to be driving to be hostile to everyone within 300 meters.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    In the US, what is street legal depends on the locality, most of which is decided by the different states. I heard that in one state, the rule was that tires and rims couldn't extend farther than the side mirrors, and so these people made their side mirrors stick out a lot farther too.

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  • [–] 46 points 1 month ago (3 children)
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    Thanks.

    Swangas (also spelled swangaz, and colloquially known as elbows (or elbos), 83s, or 84s (or simply 4s)) are custom extended wire-spoke wheel rims associated with slab car culture of Houston, Texas

    Slab (sometimes in all capital letters) is an acronym for "slow, loud, and bangin'" that describes a custom car, music and surrounding culture that's associated with African American hip-hop culture that emerged in the Houston area.

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  • [–] 41 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    Why would you assume they're legal?

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    They're surprisingly common in the Houston area. If they're illegal, you certainly wouldn't assume they are based on how often you see them.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Consider, however, that cops are all lazy bastards.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    Lol here (Estonia, not the US), they get a perverse pleasure out of giving people tickets, some of them anyway. If a cop saw those things, that car would rightfully get its annual inspection voided and potentially the driver would be forced to take it off the road immediately rather than being allowed to drive home or to a workshop to get it fixed.

    A lot of the time I disagree with how ticket-happy they can be (it's not always about safety critical things), but in this case I'd agree with them 100%.

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  • [–] 39 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    I refuse to believe that america is a real place

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  • [–] 35 points 1 month ago*

    According to Alexander's tactics in Gaugamela, you first have to wear them down with javelins, and then open ranks to create alleys for them to pass through your infantry, then finish them off with hypaspists. Afterwards, you can charge your cavalry straight to Darius himself and win the battle.

    Piece of cake really.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 month ago (1 child)
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    There's zero chance these are legal. And even in places where enforcement of such things is lax, is be surprised if this lasted very long, simply because of how crazy dangerous it would be to pedestrians and cyclists.

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  • [–] 133 points 1 month ago (21 children)

    They aren't. There might be places with shitty cops that tolerate them. (Quick search shows this is mostly a Texas thing)

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  • [–] 35 points 1 month ago (18 children)

    They aren’t.

    Confidently incorrect. Maybe they're illegal some places, but definitely not most places. In Texas, they're not illegal, but it can be illegal if they make your vehicle more than 8 feet wide. Since they're usually on sedans, they usually don't hit 8 feet.

    Also they're more specifically a thing in Black culture in Houston. I see them pretty rarely in other Texas cities

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  • [–] 17 points 1 month ago (13 children)

    what? they are a pedestrian hazard, how would these not be illegal in every state?

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  • [–] 35 points 1 month ago* (9 children)

    Simple, make your city unwalkable. Pedestrians are no longer a concern. Anyone dumb enough to be a pedestrian deserves it.
    Obvious /s is obvious

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    i mean actual policy

    bet money it is illegal and just not enforced

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

    pretty sure the tire, including rim must be in the tire well (in Texas it’s to the length of the mirror specifically even)

    apparently this is a moron red state kinda thing where because it is not specifically called out cops cant be assed to enforce laws for general vehicular safety

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

    Well that's definitely commonplace with pickups having low offset wheels. I'd be curious if there is policy to support that though!

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Americans proving their inability to understand their country isn't the world just never stops.
    You'd ever only see these in the US, it doesn't matter if they're specifically illegal elsewhere because it just doesn't happen (on normal roads, outside very rare shows etc.).
    It's so fucking tiring not being able to get away from 'Muricans like you who are so deep into their own shit that you're unable to even start to understand anything else.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Just cause they have them doesn’t make them legal. Cops probably don’t even know so they just let it go

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Usually, US law enforcement errs on the side of illegal since they have the presumption of good faith (or at least did until ICE went gonzo about lies and cover-ups).

    But anything that looks suspicious counts as probable cause meaning they can search you and relieve you of cash and valuables. Nowadays, they presume they can jusy rob you and it enhances the precinct budget for fun stuff.

    We see this kind of overpolicing done more to minorities than whites, but so long as you don't look super rich (enough to have a lawyer on your contacts list) then you're fair game.

    If this sort of thing is uncommon in their parts, it's going to draw more attention than a red sports car.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 month ago (17 children)

    Aren‘t vehicles and/or custom parts checked for safety and roadworthiness in the US??? 😱

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  • [–] 30 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Not in Texas. I can basically guarantee that this is in houston, they are all over the place down there. They're called elbows or swangas and are popular throughout the "slow loud and bangin"(slab) car culture native to the area.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    In South Florida we have late model Chevy sedans jacked up 2 feet with 40+inch rims, candy paint jobs, and one time I saw a Caprice with "truck nuts" clearly custom made from soccer balls. I'll take them any day over this.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    Depends on what state you live in if there are mandatory vehicle inspections (20 of 50 states do NOT have vehicle inspections). The state I live in does not have any mandatory vehicle inspections.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Actually, 38 of 50 states don't have periodic vehicle inspections.

    Most countries require annual safety inspections.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago* (3 children)

    That is insane. So they drive their car into the dirt until it's falling apart with no consideration of other roads users. Just insane

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    My state does have inspections but they are going away after the state admitted all they cared about was the fee. Personally, I don't think they mattered with the number of vehicles I see on a regular basis with valid stickers and obvious safety issues.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    Some of them are surprisingly legal, depending on the width of the car. They're popular in Houston, and so long as the total width of the vehicle doesn't exceed 102 inches they may be legal in Texas. Lots of them do make the vehicle wider than 8 feet, but for probable cause it has to be glaringly obvious they're over 102 inches, and that's not always legally clear. They mostly get tickets for them if they get pulled over for something else and the cops measure them during the stop.

    And Texas no longer requires inspections as of like 2 years ago. But they could just remove them before inspections before anyway.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    i have never in my 24 years of owning and driving 13 cars while living in two US states experienced such a mandatory check.

    I've very distant memories of emissions tests but that was strictly exhaust or OBDII checks specifically for emissions.

    Never safety or roadworthiness.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 month ago (15 children)

    I don't know. Why are semi trucks allowed to have these?

    I see them all the time even though they seem like a liability for a professional driver.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    I've seen those sharp things on a pickup truck's wheels

    A few months ago a pickup truck cut me off and i crashed into its side and fell into the side of the wheel. If the truck i hit had these spikes, i'd be dead

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    You really don't see them as much compared to when they were in their hay day, because they were/are a liability. But current ones are soft plastic with a thin metallic coating.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Fast rotating "soft plastic with thin metallic coating" will just as well mutilate or even kill pedestrians or cyclists in a collision. But then US Americans do not seem to care much about those.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Let's be real, if you're close enough that these are hitting you you're getting hit by the multi ton truck as well. They're a little silly, but not the huge hazard you're making them out to be.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    They make a wide vehicle even wider, for no good reason, your argument, can really only be made by an American who can not fathom that oversized roads are not only not the norm everywhere but are in themselves antipedestrian and get pedestrians and cyclists needlesly killed. There is also a good reason why tyre/axle parts extending beyond fenders are illegal in for example the EU. They are a risk to others in many ways, not only collission but also projecting stuff outwards. Last but not least, they make it harder for the driver to properly estimate the total width of the vehicle and invite driver error that can cost lives.

    They are illegal in the EU and they are so for a reason.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    They put them on to keep cars from crowding them, which they do have a legit problem with. I don't really care as long as they stay in their lane it's just psychological. The first time the wander a little into my line and tear up my car, i'm going to own their ass.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago*

    No, it is not just psychological, this stuff is real and absolutely mutilating towards any pedestrian or cyclist and also dangerous for other car drivers (doesn't matter if they are just fake plastic or not). There is a reason this is not tolerated pretty much anywhere other than parts of the US.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    It's not illegal or unreasonable to use a bit of someone else's lane when you can do so without getting unsafely close to them. For example, if you are in the right lane and there is someone changing a tire on the shoulder and you want to give them some space. These are not going to be easy to see from certain perspectives, and are kind of asking for someone to misjudge their car width.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    The big trucks have 2 ft to play with. They max out at 9 ft wide in an 11ft lane. and if they wander into the next lane incorrectly, they're responsible for 53 ft and are far more likely to kill someone.

    Ode to local statutes, in most states (all the ones I checked) it is absolutely illegal to operate in other people's lanes.

    Statute: California Vehicle Code (CVC) § 21658(a)

    Statute: Virginia Code § 46.2-804

    Maryland Transportation Article § 21-309

    Look, I don't love the wheel grinders, but what you wrote is not factual

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago

    Ok you got me, I don't know the vehicle codes of every state, nor am I an expert on them in any state. But I can tell you that people drifting into other lanes on occasion is a thing that happens, usually without it being a big deal. Sometimes by mistake though I gave you a scenario where it is arguably reasonable. I don't dispute that it can also be dangerous, especially with big trucks.

    While of course the lanes are there for a reason and should not be ignored, the relative positions of cars is the more important thing and our visual sense of where other vehicles is a thing we generally take in from the vehicle body and the expected consistent shape of them. And it is what we intuitively use when having to make sudden maneuver. Making your car have an unexpected shape and width below the body is asking for trouble.

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  • illegal or unreasonable to use a bit of someone else’s lane

    Yes it is? There are specific rules for passing cyclists and who has the right of way? If you are drifting out of your lane and/or without specific markings for a wide vehicle you are liable for collisions?

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  • [–] 18 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    That looks like a really expensive accident waiting to happen.

    Why would anyone put that on their car?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    Look, you spent all that money on your Cadillac, you can't just look like everyone else. They gotta know it's you! Swangas stand out from the crowd. Whistle tips on the exhaust (only in the mornings, when you supposed to be up making breakfast) let everyone know you're coming. You don't have to hide. You're the king of the block, no, the city. No need for subtlety.

    Put a cow catcher on the front of your truck and lift it three feet! Put underglow on your (Automatic) Honda and a JDM tow hook! Make it so your car sounds like gravel in a trash can at 60kph!

    Basically, people like to customize their very expensive decisions. You don't have to worry about accidents because they're not going to happen to you.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago

    Houston is a weird place.

    In short, they often make the car as wide as is street legal. Sometimes they end up being too wide, but "maybe it's too wide but I can't quite tell" doesn't meet probable cause, so the police can only really measure them if they get pulled over for something else.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Anyone who has those needs to go straight to therapy and community service.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago

    They probably aren't. Doesn't stop them from existing though. 🤷

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  • [–] 40 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    They aren't in any civilised countries, probably land you in prison when you are driving that on any public road in one of those.

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