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[–] 140 points 1 month ago* (37 children)

I doubt many folks are viewing this through a sports lens, but as a Sounders fan I am very pleased to see the part owner of the Seattle Sounders (Macklemore) stand up for what’s right against the evil New England Revolution owner (Kraft).

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  • [–] 40 points 1 month ago (19 children)

    The Seahawks beat the Robert Kraft owned New England Patriots last year in the Superbowl. We beat them last week with our back-up quarterback. Small wins in life, yeah?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (18 children)

    Sadly I'm a Patriots fan and until this Kraft had a decent reputation for most fans. He can go fuck himself now.

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  • [–] 55 points 1 month ago (16 children)

    You must not have heard that he's in the epstein files?

    In 2019, Kraft was among 25 people facing first-degree misdemeanor charges for soliciting prostitution at a day spa.[145] His attorney electronically entered a not-guilty plea, and later submitted a court filing where Kraft waived arraignment, pled not guilty to all charges and requested a jury trial.[151] A memo filed by Kraft's attorneys revealed that hidden cameras had been installed when investigators entered the facility under the guise of suspected human trafficking.[156] A Palm Beach County judge ruled that prosecutors could not use the videos in their case, citing privacy concerns.[157] A Florida appeals court also ruled that Kraft's constitutional rights were violated, and all the charges were dropped.[162] U.S. District Judge Rodolfo Ruiz ordered the videos to be destroyed.[163]

    In 2026, it was revealed that Kraft had kept a relationship with child sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein and that Epstein had recommended Kraft use his lawyer to defeat the charges.[164]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Kraft

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  • [+] -11 points 1 month ago (15 children)

    Given the number of legit famous people Epstein surrounded himself with because he was, at that point, rich himself: no being mentioned in the files isn't a defacto "that person is complicit". I don't think Stephen Hawking, Bruce Willis, or Cate Blanchett were diddling kids either despite being in the files. DeCaprio... Well that one wouldn't surprise me.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 month ago (10 children)

    Hmmm. Again, Kraft used Epstein's recommended lawyer that got Epstein out of shit. You can shut your eyes and say blah, blah, blah, but this is all still true.

    Kraft's attorneys had been pushing for the videos to be destroyed, as the 79-year-old billionaire was worried that the videos would be circulated on the Internet.

    Judge Orders Destruction Of Alleged Sex Tapes Of Robert Kraft

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  • [+] -6 points 1 month ago (9 children)

    Look if there was evidence of wrongdoing I'd want him to spend just as much time in prison as anyone else, but can we agree what you describe is a pretty far cry from evidence he was fucking kids? Come on now.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    The videotaping at the business lasted for five days, and wound up recording two women and two men receiving legitimate massages, not just the men paying for sexual services."

    Four people over five days received an actual massage lol. They destroyed the evidence because of a technically. Did you even read the article?

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  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    Yes, and to be clear consenting adults paying/being paid for sex means fuck all to me, they should legalize it. Involving children? Straight to jail.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    How about slaves or trafficking?

    Sex trafficking, under law, involves recruiting and transporting women by force or fraud, and coercing them to work as prostitutes. The traffickers, Snyder continued, had covered their tracks by moving the women every 10 to 20 days to different spas, where they were forced to sleep on massage tables and cook on hot plates. Some were unable to leave, the sheriff said, because the traffickers confiscated their money and passports.

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/10/the-disturbing-saga-of-robert-kraft

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Believe it or not, straight to jail. But based on everything I read about this specific situation that isn't the case here, so I'm not sure where you're going with this.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Kraft is a billionaire. If he was innocent and wanted to keep his name clean then he would have paid money to make sure the video was publicly seen. Instead he paid money to destroy the video. That's where they are going with this. You think kraft cares about the privacy of the 5 people that got legitimate messages? Nope. He doesn't even care about genocide. In fact he obviously is vehemently in support of it.

    Kraft used sex slaves.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    A prostitute is not a sex slave by default. If you fucked a hooker, would you broadcast it to the world? You're unhinged.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    Those prostitute are usually not prostitutes by choice. That fits the definition of sex slavery.

    Why are you defending a genocide supporting, Epstein class abuser.

    Are you preparing for your debate class or something?

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    DiCaprio who has no sexual allegations against him, surprises you - but a billionaire who buys prostitutes in a spa suspected of human trafficking gets the benefit of the doubt?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago*

    They were probably referring to the whole “DiCaprio is afraid of women over the age of 25” thing. The man has historically broken up with women as soon as they’re nearing 25, only to start dating a new 18 year old a week or two later.

    I believe his current girlfriend actually holds the record for his oldest, at ~28 years old.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    I haven't looked into this, but you're right that a lot of people are mentioned. However, from the little I've heard of this, this guy seems to be more than a mention. From what I've heard, it sounds like he was an associate.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    This is good enough to make me a Seahawks fan for the season so I can talk about the ludicrous displays last night.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    This is actually a fallacy. Rooting against his team still puts money in his pockets

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Okay then fuck the Seahawks go Packers.

    Either way some billionaire gets more billionarey.

    Bread and circuses and all that.

    But, seriously, Arsenal does try to walk it in.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Ownership-wise the Packers are probably the best pro sports team to root for because they're the only non profit community owned professional sports team in the US.

    But I live in Minnesota and Minnesotans like to pretend there's some kind of rivalry there lol.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    Also the MST3K guys mention them a lot in their riff of The Giant Spider Invasion which is also enough for me to love the Packers forever. Also, who doesn’t love cheese?

    I really have no loyalty.

    Go. Packers.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    I too am a huge fan of sounding but what's that have to do with sports or Macklemore?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

    They specifically said what it had to do with Macklemore (and Kraft) in their post. Kraft being the catalyst for all of this..

    Yea, I fucked that one up.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Just a joke man. If you don't know what it is, don't look it up on any NSFW sites... Trust me, I'm sparing you here. To each their own but I wish I didn't see it myself!

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    Oh no, I know what it is. I just completely overlooked that part of your post. I'm disappointed in myself because it's a great comment. I edited it to not look like a dick and to correct my mistake.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    I have to say, pretty sure Sounders is the worst name in pro sports. I would assume a sounder is one that partakes in sounding.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    It’s for the Puget Sound! A sound is a body of water! Get your head out of the gutter!

    (It's okay I grew up calling the rumble strip on the side of the highway a sounder and also thought it was a weird name at first)

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  • [–] 172 points 1 month ago (16 children)

    “I have spent this week trying to build bridges, to find a solution and unfortunately, was unable to do so.

    I tried so hard to find a middle ground between the genocide supporters and everyone else and I just can't seem to do it. People who hate genocide are just so rigid and uncompromising!

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    “You get civil rights on paper and we put the klan behind badges.”

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  • [+] -13 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    This is how I feel about people who murder animals for food.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Very few people do. They eat animals murdered by someone else.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    If a mob boss orders his employee to murder someone, both of them have committed murder

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    The person doing the eating didn't order anyone to do anything. They went to a store and bought the meat.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    Sure, but since we killed off all the predators, if we don't murder deer for food they'll destroy the ecosystem with overpopulation. Like us. In fact, it may be ethically more correct to start hunting humans to reduce the population for the sake of the total ecosystem.

    [Edit: This comment is a commentary on taking reasonable arguments to an extreme. I do not support human hunting]

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  • [–] 43 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Unfortunately for him, he will be the poster child of cowardice for the next 10 years.

    Hated to see this happen to someone but it's about fucking time it did happen to someone.

    But then again, I don't hate that it happened to him. Because if that's the way he is, then that's the way it is.

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  • [–] 43 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    What a lot of these people don't understand is, there is no sitting on the fence anymore, the fence is gone, it's just a line in the sand now and you're either on the right side or the wrong side.

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  • [–] 42 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    If critizising genocide is antisemitism, then that word lost all meaning.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    Its the funniest thing ever that the next place he has a concert is Philadelphia, a place known for its quiet and well behaved citizens, especially when they're in large groups.

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  • [–] 60 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Ed Sheeran should have backed out of the Ed Sheeran tour in support of Palestine.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    Does that mean I can do backing? If So, I'll wear my "fuck the trumps" shirt

    I only know how to play clarinet (and marginally), but it's probably no worse than Ed's shitty music anyway

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  • [–] 64 points 1 month ago (21 children)

    LOL i don't know anything about sheeran but i wouldn't be surprised if he knows nothing and has no opinion on palestine, only what his managers tell him.

    his only course of action now is to fess up and apologize. he was afraid of being blacklisted by venues, now he should be afraid of being ditched by millions of sane people

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  • [–] 65 points 1 month ago (15 children)

    The thing is he's always been considered a pretty decent person who is much more down to earth than you'd expect from his level of celebrity, and I get why he's tried to avoid taking a stance on this, but the time for sitting on a fence is well over.

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  • [–] 41 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Can't really avoid taking a stance on genocide.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    It's one thing to avoid it, but when directly confronted with it, he fucked up. Had he told Kraft to pound sand, he'd still have a tour and support, but he picked a side by "not picking a side".

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    well there was a time when many of us thought Elon as smart… Sheeran's "pretty decent" persona was shattered by the ultra low hanging fruit of simply saying "war is bad" (which would have been enough to get him out of this hole)

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago* (3 children)

    Not even as high a bar as “war is bad”, because even that can have some nuance, but it was “verifiable genocide, an explicit extinction of a group of people by another, in one of the most one-sided conflicts in history is bad.”

    This genocide is like watching a roided-up bull kill several babies on purpose just because they were there, and also also saying nothing about the people who put the fucking thing in the daycare and gave it the drugs after it already attacked people. (Note: I am not saying Palestinians are weak babies and if anyone needs to have the conversation then they don’t have the literacy level to make it worth anyone’s time).

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    right you are… I was going for the bare bone minimum that would have probably save Sheeran's face and he could not even muster that much

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    I mis-typed, I meant to say that “war is bad” is a higher bar. If this genocide can’t make you take a stand against something then you don’t stand for anything but your own pocketbook, as these people have proven over and over.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago

    I am not trying To be an apologist or whatever but the fact matter is Ed spent millions of dollars On personnel, trucks, lodging, Logistics stage design stage equipment expecting to make it back because he fronts the cost for his own tour. Contracts are signed. People are hired equipment is rented trucks are booked. Much of it is prepaid. Ed is the one holding the and the contract not really in a position to just cancel legally or financially.

    He put out a really poor statement, yeah, but he’s not in the same position the others are. Cut him a little slack. The venue owner Robert Kraft is the problem here.

    Ed needs a crisis manager

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  • [+] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)
  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    The church I play music at this year, during the kids' moment of the service, they sometimes open the mic up so the kids can ask questions and make comments. There are third graders (I chose that age because that's how old the kid was) with more complicated, accurate, and empathetic opinions about the genocide of Palestinians than what sheeran gave us.

    So like if you don't have an opinion on it, you have had since 1950 (ish. I'm rounding up) to learn. I learned about the intifadas when I was in my 20s, so i don't hold it against the youts if they're not basing their positions off a clear picture. Shit I'm middle aged and I'm still a novice when it comes to international geopolitics. I enjoy reading about it tho.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Another racist, degenerate, billionaire backfire. Palestine is being talked about everywhere, big time! Thanks Mister Kraft! Sorry Ed, your career is dead. The New England Pedophiles indeed!

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