it's getting to the point where I notice people say it a lot, especially IRL now for whatever reason recently.

And for clarity I'm not in research or anything, so these people just mean 'LLM/image gen', not utilities like OCR or (usually not) transcription.

Some have argued it's just more efficient (which I can kind of get), while others think you're actively hindering your intelligence somehow.

On the first point:

I've tried it occasionally to see how it compares to my own skill, and while it produces a functional result, it's always very derivative work to the point where you can find things with the exact same names of other 'public' (but not libre) works, and often isn't the ideal solution to what it targets. So I can see how you can get things out of it, but it never felt really that profound to me.

But for the second... isn't this supposed to be the tool for people to do things they aren't experienced in? If anything, you probably need to be able to understand how to write pertaining to the task so the token probabilities are biased toward writing from that area.

And even then, if all you end up doing is prompting AI, then wouldn't you ultimately serve no purpose outside of being glorified QA?

I guess I'm trying to figure out what exactly non-users would be 'falling behind' in that affects them more than those who use AI?

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[–] 35 points 2 months ago

Yes to everything you said. It's basic FOMO, the same behavior with people who were selling bitcoins.

If it was good, we would use it. And any way, it's like learning how to use Google, it doesn't take weeks to understand how to write a basic sentence. It's a skill that you could acquire in 24 hours at most if you speak English.

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  • [–] 67 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    The people who espouse such nonsense as "if you don't use AI you'll fall behind" believe that using AI will become an absolute necessity in the future, and that those who use AI now will have more expertise in using AI than those who don't, giving them better prospects. Those same people end up saying "you're just not prompting it right" when you point out flaws in the LLM's responses.

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  • [–] 45 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Prompting is obviously a skill that you can improve, but if you compare it with the skills they are trying to replace it's a very basic skill. Going through a computer science program and a few years of work experience vs figuring out what prompts it tends to fuck up and learn to safe guard against that (as much as you can) are different leagues, different sports, different everything.

    It's like saying that if you don't start using lemmy now, you'll fall behind when the year off the fediverse is upon us, when you'll just pick it up as well if need be.

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  • [–] 32 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Prompting reminds me that most people around me don't know how to use Google. If I want a recipe for an apple pie, I type "apple pie recipe" (3 words). Other people would type "i want to make an apple pie and I need a recipe or something."

    And now it's worse with chatbots because they would say "dear ChatGPT, I have been thinking of my grandma and I would loooove to make an apple pie like the one she did, it would mean a lot to me, and also the sun is shining, thanks, kiss, goodbye, have a nice day." It's horribly inefficient and shows that most people cannot use computers properly, and don't understand that they are fast calculators and not magical brains.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    Right! These people are now "super human AI prompt masters", nut my natural ability with written language from a young age and early exposure to technology has made me (and anyone with good vocabulary and grammar mechanics) better than a lot of these idiots could ever hope to become with years of practice. The thing about corporate cultism, though, is in your mind it always makes you "superior" somehow, if you can stick your head far enough up your ass. Corporatism is all about enthusiastic support of your own exploitation, and this shit is the ultimate expression. We need fucking LLMs more than clean drinking water to hear these robber baron fucks tell it.

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  • [–] 112 points 2 months ago (40 children)

    AI is the first major technology that I have have actively worked against.

    I am a person who strongly believe that technology should make us better, and I can only see AI/LLMs making us weaker.

    I tend to have a vivid imagination, and all I am thinking of when seeing people use AI is, "ok but could you have accomplished the same thing without AI?"

    When the AI bubble pops like the overstuffed bubble it is, and prices are going up, will you remember how to do your job without it?

    Or, even simpler, what about if the AI service goes down, will you still be able to do your tasks?

    For many, I suspect the answer is no.

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  • [–] 43 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I see it with ADAS.

    It appears that the more Advanced Driver Assistance Systems a vehicle has, the less competent the driver is and the more likely it is that they will not react correctly (or at all) in an emergency situation.

    ANCAP and ENCAP are realising this now and their ratings are no longer weighted so heavily on ADAS.

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  • [–] 32 points 2 months ago

    Yeah, this has been a long problem in government agencies here.

    There was a political decision made years and years ago, that in-house expertise was too expensive and that they would hire consultants when they needed specific skills.

    That works only as long as you have the in-house skills to determine what external skills are needed.

    Same here, without the skills to do the work, you don't have the skills to correctly evaluate the work of an LLM.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I tend to have a vivid imagination, and all I am thinking of when seeing people use AI is, “ok but could you have accomplished the same thing without AI?”

    Sure. Protein structure is the clean example. For decades the same thing was done without AI: crystallise the protein, collect diffraction or NMR data, solve the fold. That works. It also costs years and a specialist lab per structure. AlphaFold did not invent a new kind of knowledge. It made the existing problem cheap enough that we now have predicted structures for hundreds of millions of proteins instead of a few hundred thousand experimentally solved ones.

    “Could you have done it without AI?” is the wrong test. The test is whether the extra cost of doing it the old way is worth paying every time. Sometimes it is. Often it is not.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago

    People aren't talking about alphafold when they're talking about "AI" in 2026. They're talking about chatgpt, claude and copilot.

    “Could you have done it without AI?” is the wrong test. The test is whether the extra cost of doing it the old way is worth paying every time. Sometimes it is. Often it is not

    I would hard disagree. It absolutely applies for super narrow applications like alphafold, but in general, LLMs aren't remotely close to being worth it. You don't need to look beyond how hugely unprofitable AI companies are. The only companies who aren't completely shoveling money into the furnace are the ones selling hardware to the companies that do.

    We also see that the consequences of AI use are pretty harsh. Students who use a lot of AI are a full year behind their counterparts that don't, according the the latest PISA data.

    So what we have is something that is unaffordably expensive, with dubious benefit and immense second order effects.

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  • [+] -22 points 2 months ago (35 children)

    No. There’s no way I could build a full web app on my own in under a day. AI enables me to do that. You’re basing your whole opinion about AI solely on how capitalism is leveraging it. There is a lot of great potential with AI. Medical fields. Non-profit space. The list goes on.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 months ago (28 children)

    You seem to confuse speed with ability.

    Ok, so you can't do the task in the same amount of time, that is not what I meant, I am talking about being able to do the task at all.

    Could you make a full web app without AI at all?

    Do you have that skill?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (15 children)

    llms are able to do a lot of things many people simply can't (at least without spending a long time learning), although the result can be mediocre. it's being misused widely, but doesn't mean it's entirely incapable of anything useful.

    recently i've seen it being used for reverse engineering, seemed like a pretty good usecase.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (13 children)

    It really cannot. But people who have no knowledge in a field absolutely think LLMs are proficient in that field. As soon as an expert in that field look at what the LLM is doing in their field, that illusion quickly vanishes.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago (11 children)

    Unfortunately, that’s not true. LLMs have proven new results in mathematics, at extremely high levels, conjectures open since decades.

    I am personally very against this use of AI, but let’s be clear on its capacities.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

    Every one of those mathematical milestones made by AI is followed by an article from a mathematician pointing out the 'discovery' was a flawed rehash or not really applicable to the problem. Same for all the claims about finding bugs, they are old and known bugs and occasionally it can identify already known types of bugs faster as long as a human can filter out the wrong results.

    AI does do a fine job of filtering large data sets in controlled environments, like how it is used for finding exoplanets, but just for speeding up an existing process.

    It doesn't do anything new.

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    Yeah, I had read earlier today. But even the author said that his own draft was LLM-based.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (3 children)

    names Fremats last theorem proved by Anthropic

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    I mean you could say the same thing about the power loom. Labor-saving technology does matter.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    The issue with this comparison is that a power loom is like a computer script, a person built the logic, it just replaces physical labour.

    AI/LLMs replace cognitive work while the outcome is not guaranteed.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago

    That's one thing it can do, but there are other, actually useful things you can have it do. For example I've used it as a pseudo-search engine when Google refused to cooperate/when the thing I was looking up was too complex before.

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  • [+] -9 points 2 months ago* (3 children)

    No, LLM’s CAN replace cognitive work. You don’t have to give up all your thinking to an LLM. Think about what you want. Create very specific instructions. Review the output. Challenge it. Refine. Ask questions. Make decisions. Teach it something. It’s a tool. It doesn’t have to replace your brain.

    Calculators replace cognitive work. Are you anti-calculator?

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  • [–] [S] 13 points 2 months ago

    AI/LLMs replace cognitive work while the outcome is not guaranteed.

    Calculators... are devices designed to produce deterministic results that can be proven (and yes, with a seed AI is technically deterministic, but that doesn't make it easily provable) as accurate very easily. If you removed calculators from a task, either the result would be completely the same, or it would be worse due to error introduced by something unpredictable.

    past like really, really early education, I don't really see a point to go without a calculator since it uses up so much time for little gain.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    It is highly unlikely, but possible, that the majority of the people you are talking to are wearing clothes they made themselves without aid of machine.

    It is highly likely, that at least one person reading this DOES believe we should destroy all the factories and return to the trees.

    How they manage to have that argument on the internet without imploding due to cognitive dissonance is beyond me, but I have seen more impressive feats of confusion in my days.

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  • [+] -10 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    I absolutely could not build a web app on my own from scratch and at this point in my life I do not have the time to learn how.

    There’s absolutely no doubt that AI democratizes many capabilities that people otherwise would not possess, whether the output is “slop” or not. Sometimes you just want to quickly prototype something. Doesn’t have to be perfect. You can do that in minutes to hours. If you like it, pay somebody to do it right, or AI may even be able to do it right depending on the task.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago

    I think you look at a web app too narrowly, a web app could be any page that loads content from an external source.

    I am not a web developer, and I built a system that logs the water temp to a database and a webpage displays it to help people know if they want to go for a swim or not.

    It took a few weeks of free time to get everything to work, but it has been running for about 5-6 years continuously.

    That is a web app, an application solving a need running on the web.

    It was developed by me without any AI, and I have only limited experience with web development.

    I think you can do more than you give yourself credit for without AI.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    There’s absolutely no doubt that AI democratizes many capabilities that people otherwise would not possess,

    There is so much wrong with that.

    For starters, you don't possess it. You still can't do it because you haven't learned.

    Second, it's not something you have inherent access too. LLMs are completely unaffordable to anyone using them, which is why the companies are running insane losses. Your use of LLMs depends entirely and fully on the availability of venture capital to burn.

    Third, it was always within your ability to learn. The information to acquire the skills has been available for free.

    Fourth, thanks to LLMs (and enshittification) it is becoming more and more difficult to find and access that free information.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    You can delude yourself all you want that the AI is enabling you to do "x". But all it's doing is ensuring that you can never do x and that you keep getting worse at everything related.

    And science is proving it. In just a few years of usage, llms are making people stupid and insane.

    The brain is like a muscle. Each time you get in a car to travel 5 miles in 6 mins instead of running there in 30 minutes you get weaker. After 10 years your body will be in a horrible shape and much closer to death.

    Yes I'm against calculators too for most things. Because of avoiding them I can do small calculations faster in my mind than most people can type into a calculator.

    And guess what I'm not left behind. Because of my philosophy I am stronger and sharper than most people half my age.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I mean you probably could do a decent range of web apps in a day as a minimum viable product, if you already have a solid plan ready. But that's kind of the thing with AI.

    AI... really seems to just make derivative stuff. I tried asking it to replicate one of my terminal text editors (via a description of it), and it ended up making... essentially a 1:1 rip off of different editor but with more comments. I have a feeling that the massive amount of training data is what makes it seem like it can write lots of applicable code, while it's still suffering from quite literally being just a larger version of this half-decade old Google Translate update under the hood.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago

    Of course it’s derivative, but just like any tool, the user plays a huge role in the output. You just work with it. It can do lots of things and it can’t do lots of things. Am I gonna sell anything I make with it? Probably not. I use it to help myself and to prototype things really fast.

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  • Well, good luck making sure your page doesn't have huge security holes, that it performs well (and by good performance, I mean that it can run reasonably well even on a 2010 or even 2005 computer), that it handles memory properly, and that it's not just a skeleton that works by selling your soul and destroying your device. You'll need infinite luck for that, I assure you.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago

    While I disagree with exactly what you're saying, I agree with the part that AI CAN make things better. But I've seen too many sloppy vibe coded apps that don't work to think that having it make an app all on it's own is a good use of AI.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 months ago

    From what I've experienced it's mostly managers saying this. They're afraid of competitors taking over the market because they can be more efficient with AI. They say this without any idea of how exactly that would work.

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  • [–] 44 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I translate this to: “if I’m making a horrible mistake, I want you right there with me when it blows up in my face.”

    If they actually felt it gave them an advantage they wouldn’t be trying to convince everyone else to do it too.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 month ago

    My experience of a decade in corporate US companies:

    Quantity > Quality; no matter what the marketing line says. People who speak a lot in meetings and send a lot of emails are regarded as better at their job, substance is only somewhat relevant. And LLMs are great at producing lots and lots of well sounding slop.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 month ago

    They think there's some skill necessary to use LLMs for some reason

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  • [–] 31 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    im going to put it easy: You work doing some kind of research or whatever on daily basis. You used to do that task in maybe 5-6 hours, same as your colleagues. Now all your colleagues use AI and do the same task in about 20min (even if the result is crap it does have some good takes), so the CEO sees you are the only one who doesn't perform equally because you choose not to, and you're fired.

    So yeah... it's crap, it will make things worse, but for now you have to use it wheter you like it or not.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago

    It's a desperate marketing strategy based on the classic "peer pressure" technique. "Everyone's doing it. You don't want to be the only one who isn't."

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Try throwing AI at boring repetitive work.
    I argued with an LLM for about 15 minutes and got a list of IPs and the name of the systems that used them. I could have done it manually in about an hour.

    Also I'd argue that it's the opposite. It's for people that are experienced. If you can't check the output for correctness it's most likely wrong. I've never had the right answer the first time I asked.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago

    Spot on. Juniors or business using AI to write code is terrifying. A senior using it can help with some of the boilerplate bullshit. That's what they mean by use it as a tool.

    Asfor left behind, its because companies are mandating it, and if you refuse to use it, they'll happily hire the next person who will.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 month ago

    They do it to protect their feelings. They’ve normalized the use of something most people hate, so they want everyone else to adopt it, too. That way, they won’t feel judged, when they 100% deserve to feel judged.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago

    They (pretend to) believe, either due to experience or marketing or a combination, that AI* will be such a ubiquitous tool within their lifetime that "not using AI" would be like "not using electricity". There are people that do not use electricity, even when it is available, today, but they are broadly considered "behind" the times and out of touch with broader (including global) society. AI advocates are unlikely to always have the same idea about exactly what the advantages are, though speed is often among them.

    The actual scientific studies we have done are limited, but so far do not back up these claims. For example, AI assisted programmers self-report being faster, but are actually slower at the same tasks than a similar cohort without AI.

    I have a fairly strong anti-AI bias, but my limited experiences with them have been quite poor. Maybe I'm just asking the "wrong" questions, but my experiences have had them either give an response that is internally inconsistent, contains easily refuted factual inaccuracies, or (for tasks with no reality/logic testing) absolutely the least creative, most middle-of-the-road text. I'm also aware of the human rights abuses that Amnesty International has reported around generative AI, the copyright "minefield" around models where you do not know all of the training data, and how we've lost at least a decade of sustainability goals because of the desire for "more compute".

    So, keep my bias in mind when considering my reply. I might already be "falling behind".

    I can think of some ways to use an LLM that are interesting to me, but for now I'm staying away from the tech until the bubble bursts and the hype disappears. It'll be easier to make informed decisions about what, if any, to use then.

    (If it really does improve society, I'm sure I can be retrained then, or at least I can be taken care of one AI-incompatibility is recognized as a disability. /s)

    AI: They probably can't define this term, but likely to have a specific product in mind.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 month ago

    I think when people talk about "falling behind" they're actually talking about missing out on the initial gold rush of novel uses, quick cash grabs, and straight up scams that a lot of people are making short term money on.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    They think AI is as life changing to our society as the internet is as steam engines were long ago. They're trying to promote its use because it doesn't have a good specific use for day to day. If anything AI has made the internet MUCH worse, there's so much AI Slop media on youtube and similar that I don't look at much new stuff anymore because of it.

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    i wouldn't say better, a better analogy, is cheaper gasoline, with worst results than more expensive gasoline.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 month ago

    honestly, depending on how it affects media in the future, it could really have a similar effect on us, even if it doesn't directly poison people. Poorly presented information/misinformation has, and will certainly continue to result in so many preventable tragedies.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago

    FOMO, and the temptation of being able to get the speed of AI without the drawbacks of "vibe coding".

    Reality is much more nuanced.

    You can get a massive boost in your productivity if you use dependencies or just steal code, compared to writing everything from zero. I personally just reuse my own code snippets, and even started to put regularly reused code into their own libraries (next up is to make stuff for parsers).

    I also seen cases, when "AI assisted" coding had the same amount of issues as fully vibe coded stuff, as the person really wanting to cram the chatbot into their workflow did that trusted Grok too much with understanding the documentations, so he just ended up trying to implement stuff based on Grok's summary, which was wrong at places.

    If you ask: artists also sometimes fall for this trap, though much less often.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Levergism. To get what you want in the world you need power to get power you need leverage to the keys to power.

    For working class folks that tends to be in the form of withholding labor, providing labor both of which are dictated by supply and demand. So learning a specialty in an in demand field or getting/making tools or skills that make you more demand is common technique. (Organizing with others to be noted also a huge way to do this)

    They are arguing that learning AI is like learning to drive a forklift or an excavator. Like sure you could use a shovel or set up pullies but it's just faster and thus more valuable to use those tools.

    The difference being we don't actually know what tools and varients of those tools actually make sense. So it's like saying you need to learn to use motors to a 1900s factor worker.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 months ago (10 children)

    Put simply, it's propaganda by the LLM salesman and liars like scam altman.

    Avoid LLMs. Preserve your brain and skills. Don't become a slophead.

    The only think you'll fall behind on is humanity's race to the bottom into total idiocracy.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago* (3 children)

    Put simply, it's propaganda by the LLM salesman and liars like scam altman.

    Agreed. Most people are not going to personally benefit from LLMs, in particular those in non-STEM fields. But...

    Avoid LLMs. Preserve your brain and skills. Don't become a slophead.

    The first sentence is unnecessary for the other two. It is insufficient for the second.

    For example, I use a LLM as a LaTeX assistant. I still end up heavily modifying whatever the machine gives me by hand. And I always do my own reading... because the whole point of me reading papers and books is to put them in my brain. And I still volunteer to do certain exercises on paper or whiteboard simply to keep my mind in good shape.

    What LLMs allow me to do is focus on the mathematics and the theory of whatever I'm writing, and offload some of the unenlightening cognitive effort of writing and debugging LaTeX code to the machine.

    Similar remarks can be made for non-typographical programming in certain situations.

    The solution to not becoming a slophead is, more precisely, to occasionally (say X% of the time) put your foot down and actually do the thing you wanted to give to the LLM. The most extreme versions of this solution are to set X := 0 (never use your brain) or X := 100 (always use your brain, your solution). And while for many people setting X := 100 might be the best solution, for some of us, particularly in information-dense technical fields, setting 0 < X < 100 (both inequalities strict!) might be able to make our lives easier without slipping into slophead behavior.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Firstly thank you for such a thoughtful and long reply. You are right about LLMs reducing cognitive overload and helping you concentrate on the core problem. I avoid them for environmental reasons too.

    I too am not a fan of boilerplate and tedious languages like latex.

    My approach for dealing with it is using better abstractions like typst. When I was seriously writing LateX years ago I had emacs macros and shortcuts to power through the tedious parts.

    I also choose modern programming languages like gleam instead of java or js. They are easier to reason about and write fast manually. IME you can overtake the productivity gains that LLMs offer after 3-6 of working on a project.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I avoid them for environmental reasons too.

    I mean yeah, I do prefer a series of classical web searches when I think I can get it done in less than about ten searches. I read a while back that LLM inference takes about 10x the computational power of a classical web search (order of magnitude, not exact). Politically, we should have sustainably developed the infrastructure of LLMs at scale as a voluntary collective project of humanity, i.e. in direct opposition to capitalism and its profit-driven obliteration of the ecology.

    My approach for dealing with it is using better abstractions like typst.

    Unfortunately, my colleagues don't know typst and probably aren't willing to learn 😕

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    Fun fact: large energy expenditure even from renewables is subject to the 2nd law of thermodynamics. It heats up the planet.

    So I prefer to do everything the old fashion way with principles of frugal computing, offline docs, local editing, and try to keep as much in my brain as possible.

    I don't expect others to do the same. It's about how much convenience you want to sacrifice to live a wholesome life.

    edit: It makes sense from the perspective of keeping your brain young too. The more you use it even for "tedious" tasks like navigating instead of relying on gps, learning languages, doing mental arithmetic instead of using a calculator, memorizing phone numbers, and writing manually etc, the better it'll function especially after middle age.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Do you actually think LLMs can remove education from your brain? Or functionally make you stupid? I get it's making people lazy, but this seems hyperbolic.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    LLMs can remove education from your brain? Or functionally make you stupid?

    Definitely.

    There are studies showing that LLMs make you measurably stupid and insane in just a few years of usage.

    And it makes sense too. The brain is always changing. It prunes and rewires connections related to unused skills and memories. That's why if you haven't done math, played chess or haven't spoken in a language you were once fluent in, for a while you get rusty.

    Of course you can recover if you start practicing again. But sometimes the damage is too great and you can never go back to how you used to be.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Well said, although I'll note you didn't address 'remove education from your brain', and indeed noted recovery if returning to practice. Also 'functionally make you stupid' is a low bar, that's on me :) though I'd be inclined to blame media manipulation before LLMs for that (but LLMs are coming up fast, and maybe are also media manipulation).

    I'm usually the one arguing against 'LLM as worker replacement' (only likely in the case of bullshit jobs that are there to save our worker defined society in the wake of automation).

    Not sure what to make of my post other than a (possibly unreasonable) hope for humanities future and a belief that LLMs are just being used as another scammy way to capture value, not actually a practical way to destroy human thought. Hyperbolic was probably a mistake.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    I believe LLMs are more dangerous in that regard than normal propaganda. You can convince someone that the left-handed people are to blame for someone, but that still requires that someone to think (wrongly). With dependence on LLMs, you don't think any more.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago

    My friends who are deep in the AI game use it all the time and say they can't remember much about coding unprompted anymore.

    I'm just in it for the ride now. Maybe I'll start night school in trades just in time to have that rug pulled out from under me, too

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago

    I am reading this book https://thecon.ai/ that, among other things, explains the hype behind the set of tools we call AI. Check it, it might help you answering your question or at least having a different pov compared to the "if you don't use it you'll fall behind".

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    You'll fall behind in the race to the lowest IQ as they all turn their thinking over to AI and get lazier while you continue to exercise your brain.

    Fuck 'em.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 month ago

    Its people falling for propaganda.

    The fact of the matter is, AI can be useful for minor coding help. The reality is its stealing advice from one or a few sources and spitting out an answer based on them, but it can be a quick delivery of advice.

    The major problem is

    1. AI (these LLMs) hallucinate ALL THE TIME. Relying on them to code for you is fucking moronic. Every coworker I've seen who does vibe coding is constantly getting dunked on, their pull requests are torn to pieces, and its baffling why they still get a paycheck.
    2. AI can only, in the best circumstances, do exactly what you tell it to do. That is to say, you need to explicitly spell out what you want for it, including explicitly covering edge cases. If you don't, you end up with situations like Microsoft making Notepad code executable (which actually fucking happened.

    Promotion of AI is total horseshit by the fascist tech broligarchs being done so they can replace the worker and, and I'm serious, achieve immortality by transferring their consciousness to machine. That isn't a fucking joke, that's an actual belief they hold. The AI and general tech CEOs are all in a massive death cult. This is real.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    Remember NFTs? when people were buying pictures of cartoon monkeys and people were saying, if you don't buy it now you will be left behind

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  • [–] -4 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Ah yeah, remember when NFTs solved a millennium prize? That was crazy. Such a fad tho.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    AI didn't solve the navier stokes equation; the mathematician using an LLM did.

    jfc grow up.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    What mathematician?

    OpenAI heard that a millennium prize was potentially about to be claimed by an Anthropic researcher and assigned it to a swarm of 10,000 autonomous agents at a cost of an estimated $15 million in inference.

    We used a system of coordinating agents powered by our internal model. The agents had access to tools such as the ability to read from a cached version of the internet and the ability to run code. Agents were subdivided into groups with the ability to communicate within the group. The groups varied in size, and the group that produced the Navier–Stokes resolution involved on the order of 10,000 concurrent agents.

    There isn't a mathematician sitting there working with a LLM. OpenAI's solution seems to have been a brute force and mostly autonomous event to try to get ahead of other "mathematicians with their LLMs."

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    how fucking dumb are you that you think there wasn't a mathematician involved in solving one of math's greatest challenges?

    "Mathematicians Tristan Buckmaster and Levent Alpöge spent about a year studying a related version of the Navier-Stokes equations with the assistance of AI. Their work showed that a solution in the friction-free version of the equations can develop a singularity in finite time, a result often described as mathematical "blow-up"."

    https://www.firstpost.com/tech/has-openai-model-solved-80-year-old-navier-stokes-problem-mathematician-raises-questions-14044080.html

    furthermore, OpenAI's solution is almost certainly built upon this work.

    "The most consequential part of OpenAI's Navier-Stokes claim remains unverified. If its model has genuinely produced a valid proof of the full problem, it could represent an extraordinary moment for both mathematics and AI. But until the proof is made available for scrutiny, questions over its origins are likely to remain just as important as the claimed breakthrough itself."

    OpenAI can end the discussion by making the proof available but hasn't.

    and I'll add:

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    It does not appear to be directly built upon it, and they are allegedly in the process of submitting "substantial progress" on the Hodge conjecture and setting aside the inference to try the same approach on the other prize problems.

    Give it a week or two and let's see.

    If even a single other problem falls, it seems really unlikely the process by which Navier-Stokes was solved relied upon allegedly copying the work of the mathematicians involved in it, and that instead massive amounts of inference with current internal SotA models is sufficient.

    You don't suddenly solve two different problems by relying on the work of a mathematician working on only one of them.

    Edit: And just to explain Tao's comment — he's not saying "oh, they copied the work of my colleague." He's saying "holy crap, if tech companies are going to be adversarial and spend millions of dollars on inference to scoop my field when they hear we are getting close, it becomes risky to share that we're making progress on a given problem because then the lab can say to their AI 'here's millions in tokens, go work on X problem there's probably a solution.'"

    His quote strengthens my point that this was accomplished without human mathematicians working on it, as that's effectively the core of his point.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    There is no there there. AI has yet to prove itself useful for more than support at the general public level. Right now AI's most compelling use for the public is as a mediocre assistant not good enough to be irreplaceable but not bad enough to fire. There are scientific applications where the technology is allowing researchers to do things that would have taken years in a few weeks, but general purpose use is still years away from being what people actually need or even want.

    People who claim that if you don't use it you'll miss out are like beleaguered parents telling thier childless friends how great having kids is. It's the most basic human instinct, confirmation bias. I made this choice and therefor it must be the right choice so everyone else should make that choice too.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago

    I kind of look at it from the point of view of people who are bad at their jobs.

    They don't understand what looks good. They don't understand how long something should take. They don't understand how to do parts of their job without copying the work of others. Then, they get given a tool with the promise that the tool will do most of the hard work for them.

    And unlike most computer stuff they can't understand, they can understand how to use AI. So if they can understand how to use AI, anyone can. And it isn't like most people are good at their jobs anyway.

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  • If like you can't drive a car, that makes it harder to find a good paying job.

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