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[–] 191 points 2 months ago (27 children)

Uh, why the fuck would such a device ever be allowed on school property?

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  • [–] 74 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    These devices are expensive.

    Teenage girls - If you spot them... Grab them and smash them.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    And don't be afraid to smash the face that wears them. Collateral damage, after all, is always expected.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    If I see someone wearing these get bashed in the face, no I didn't.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Well… my daughter is authorized by her parents to use as much violence as she deems appropriate to anyone who would harass her.
    But we all know that would get her expelled from the school for 1… or 3… or every day(s).

    If you add to that from the comments above that kids with perv-glasses are from rich families, probably contributing significantly to whatever charity in the school, they may not get the justice they deserve.

    So smash the glasses, ok. Make a show, and be sure everyone hears loud and clear "fucking pervert". Reputation can't be bought back easily.

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  • [–] -4 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    As much as I haye the existence of these devices, independent of context bit especially for what this thread is about, I think that isn't a good idea. I do not trust that the girls have backing and are safe by doing this, any kid who has something this expensive will have parents that have power enough to really fuck with the lives of any girl who'd do this.
    I wish this wasn't the case, but waves widely at the world proves otherwise.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 25 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    What parent would buy their middle schooler pervert glasses?

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    Showing may age here 🤣 but back in 2005, I had a film camera shaped like a juice box that I thought was the coolest thing on the planet. The straw was how you took pictures, the lens was hidden in the logo.

    There was no film in it because I just wanted to show it off but yeah..... School didn't give a fuck.

    Then again I'm autistic and I was super into the spy stuff. I think that came with one of those spy kits and I annoyed the shit out of my family with those beeping door sensors and I genuinely concerned someone by eating the edible paper. I made one of my sisters friends scream at the top of her lungs because she had no idea who I was when I wore the sunglasses with mirrors to see behind you and a fake mustache and I was into disguises.

    But there's a difference between being a kid and having fun and things inadvertently happening vs being a menace and a dickhead to those around you.

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  • [+] -10 points 2 months ago* (7 children)

    Phones, cameras, watches with cameras, GoPros are all all ready allowed, why would this be any different? Some schools even have equipment to rent to make videos, or their news program has some, yearbook group, etc.

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  • [–] 41 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Those are far more obvious when one is filming compared to glasses that can secretly film someone at any time.

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  • [+] -27 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    Unlike the security cameras that already do you mean… yeah?

    A school is a public place, there’s no reasonable expectation of privacy.

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  • [–] 36 points 2 months ago*

    A school is a public place, there’s no reasonable expectation of privacy.

    I am fucking sick and tired of this absolute garbage argument.

    "No expectation of privacy" does not mean publicizing any video for any purpose is OK. It does not mean stalking is OK. It does not mean a goddamned panopticon is OK!

    What's happening now -- with every act potentially stored in perpetuity, psycho-analyzed, and fed into generative AI for the purpose of deepfaking or who knows what else -- is in a wholly different category that goes beyond "public!"

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  • [–] 29 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    Using a camera as part of a group project is very different from secretly filming people throughout the school day when they're supposed to be doing other things.

    Surely you can tell the difference...

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  • [–] 22 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Laying the ground for republicans banning eyeglasses entirely - because eyeglasses show intent to learn, which is dangerous...

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Oh cool! The Khmer rouge did that.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago

    so fun* fact, there never was an official order relating to glasses, and indeed Pol Pot himself as well as several other senior Khmer Rouge minister publicly wore glasses. But what they did do was set up a system were city folk and intellectuals were treated with a level of suspicion high enough that any low-level Khmer Rouge member could cite the ownership of glasses as sufficient evidence to execute someone for being a counter-revolutionary.

    https://www.shadowsofutopia.com/blog/did-the-khmer-rouge-really-kill-everyone-who-wore-glasses

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Nah republicans love anything that allows the exploitation of women or other marginalized groups

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    Yes AND they are hypocrites as demonstrated time and time again (e.g. conservatives working to ban porn production/access while being unapologetic fans of said exploitation of women and marginalized groups).

    Not as simple as you'd like. It's a mindfuck on purpose for the confusion and because they are stupid and reckless.

    So put that "nah" away, friend.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Stop blaming the kids, it's the corporation's fault. Title should be Meta glasses are recording and enabling harassment of underaged school children

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    It's part of the reason they don't want phones in schools.

    All they have to do is enforce harassment. It's like trying to put a toy in timeout because your kid misused it. The kid learns nothing and moves on to the next toy. Simply put them into detention. The parents will fix that shit quick.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    The parents will fix that shit quick.

    They won't.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 months ago

    Kids are being shit asses and using tools for malicious purposes because everyone involved with being responsible for them has shrugged responsibility and action! More at a 11!

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago

    😒 And now they're going to have put a school wide notice saying no smart glasses and then they're gonna have people disobey that and not bring a back up pair and then their parents are gonna have to come out of work to bring them not smart glasses.

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  • [–] 35 points 2 months ago*

    Normalize smashing pervert glasses on sight (while still on face).

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  • [–] 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

    How many middle and high school kids are getting Meta's pervert glasses as gifts?! How are people affording these?

    Like there is nothing else you'd want before some shitty novelty?

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  • [–] 23 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I live in a nice area. The number of families with absurd amounts of money is staggering. I have a good job and am well paid.

    These fuckers put me to shame. Trips to Europe for a weekend. They only go skiing in Colorado, never anywhere else. Expensive hotels, $80k cars for themselves and the kids.

    I have zero clue what any of them do. Maybe a handful appear to be marginally intelligent. Did the inherit it? Play the stock lottery?

    All I know is that a pair of pervert glasses are fucking NOTHING for these people. A family I know buys the best airpods (I don't know, not an apple person) in bulk because the kids lose them so often. They hand them out like Halloween candy.

    Never underestimate the vast number of people with more money than sense.

    I am so deeply frustrated that despite busting my ass for years in what is otherwise a successful career that these people could buy and sell me with quarter of one dividend check.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago

    Yup. I also live in a nice area.

    I worked at a small business for 6 years. We shipped alcohol across the entire country, had major holiday orders even for things like NBC, the today show, and lion's gate did their holiday gifts through us.

    Suffice to we made fuckin bank, and were comprised of 12 employees when I started. 4 cashiers, 4 management who were also capable and willing to fill in and help lower level laborers, and we had of course, the 4 lower level laborers, myself included initially.

    In 2023 I was promoted to shipping manager and salaried, pay was good and and the year end bonus from the owner was decent.

    In 2023 we were already down to 8 employees. Order volume was up over 3 years, so less people were fulfilling more work. I was fresh off my promotion so I was pretty blind for a bit.

    Cut to this year and we had 5 employees. Order volume was slightly higher than it was in 2023. 5 people were now doing more work than 12 were just 6 years prior.

    To give some perspective: As shipping manager, one holiday order from a local customer, would be for 100 individual bottles of wine shipped with gift notes inside each once and each bottle gift wrapped.

    We had around 15 of these holiday orders and 13 of them came in after December 5. We brought in 1 person for seasonal help.

    So just counting the holiday orders, excluding our in store and base online orders that include an email mailing list of 12,000 customers , put us even with conservative estimates at 1,500 individual bottles of alcohol that needed to be brought into the store, gift wrapped, individual cards made, and shipped in time for Christmas.

    6 people was not enough. My mental health was destroyed and I had major depressive disorder until I finally quit this year.

    My boss would keep cutting people, bitching about money, pushing ridiculous sales when we had no staffing, and all the while he travels to Europe with his family multiple times a year, has a 7 bedroom home, drives a Mercedes, and not one mother fucking time gave up any of it.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago

    And they will wonder why nobody will treat them like an adult when they are physically old enough. At least that's how it should be, IMO. My vote is to emasculate their toxic masculinity and treat them like the little boys they are.

    If nothing else, they either be treated like little kids the rest of their life or maybe learn about a questionable kink they never knew they had if they don't shape up.

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  • [–] 50 points 2 months ago (29 children)

    A reminder to everyone blaming parents: these children are growing up in a world where privacy doesn't exist, so how could they value it? Corporations are targeting them and influencing their opinions and changing norms with resources a parent couldn't even dream of. Blaming parents is an individualistic solution to a systemic problem. We're not going to suddenly get better parents anyway, sorry.

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  • [–] 39 points 2 months ago (13 children)

    I mean, most of your early value comes from your parents (or closest adult influence), and presumably the parents needed to buy the very expensive device.

    So yeah they can be blamed.

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  • [+] -6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (12 children)

    Again, we aren't going to suddenly become good parents as a species even if you're correct. And blaming the parents gets us where? We have to change all the inadequate parents? Yeah right. Blame doesn't get you anything but the ability to do nothing and feel superior about it.

    Edit: Everybody that's saying it's the individual and not the system: same with cops? We can just tell them to be better and expect results?

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (9 children)

    Refusing to blame the people responsible means you can't take steps to correcting the behavior. You need the culprit identified first.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    Refusing to blame the people systems responsible means you can't take steps to correcting that system. You need the incentives identified first.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (6 children)

    How about both? They’re not mutually exclusive. You can acknowledge that there are systems in plays incentivizing the behavior while also holding the people who do the behavior accountable.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (5 children)

    Even if they're not mutually exclusive, the lion's share is systemic. For parents that can mean access to healthcare, financial security, access to childcare, access to a good school, and a slew of other things. If people were able to change their finances reliably, there would be no poor people, etc etc.. What's the point of holding someone "accountable" when that maybe changes one or two parents. Even given a 100% reform rate (since I assume you want correction as opposed to punishment) you have to a) wait for deviance to occur b) catch the deviance c) take corrective action with both the parent and the child. Even if we assume only 1% of parents raise children that behave badly, there are two billion children in the world. If I were going to allocate resources to hold people accountable or to provide some sort of actual assistance to parents, 100% is going to the latter. So it's not that it's one or the other, it's that one is useful and one is not.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (4 children)

    When it comes to Meta glasses specifically if you have the means to buy them you likely have all the things you mentioned by virtue of being able to buy Meta glasses. Again, they should be made illegal and society needs to have some serious discussions about privacy on the internet. But I can also think that if you buy your kids these glasses, especially if you’re aware your kid has bullied/harassed others in the past, you should be held accountable. Shame and publicity work for a reason. If more parents are judged publicly for their poor parenting choices and purchases, they are less likely to buy said things. Again, both.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (3 children)

    You think the rich parents that will give their children these glasses are capable of shame? I don't. Some will even be proud of it (see pandemic behavior, cybertruck owners, etc).

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    Depends on who’s doing the shaming. Some of them are really touchy about their image, especially when it’s people they actually know or they think are on a similar “level” or is an authority figure in their eyes. Considering social media can be very important to some of these people( and can act as an equalizer in terms of the public rallying around a topic against those in power), spreading awareness and making it very unpopular to own or wear these things will likely affect at least some of them. It also will address the systemic part by making the working class aware and thus making the politicians aware that the working class is aware. If politicians realize that supporting surveillance tech like this will cost them voters and power they may be willing to do something about it.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    After seeing how poorly people behaved during the pandemic, I just can't believe that shaming is a useful tool. Antivaxxers were proud they were putting others at risk. That was not a small number of people. I knew individuals that could not even be shamed by those closest to them. I do not believe in shame as a tool for social change and the vague points you make about it do not fit with my actual experience. Not for individuals and sure as hell not for corporations or politicians.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    I think it depends on the person and the situation. I was more thinking about canceling. While I don’t think harassing people or sending them death threats is a good thing, canceling is essentially shaming. It can severely affect certain powerful or popular people’s ability to grow and maintain an audience. Granted, there’s plenty of problems with it, not every person who is canceled deserves to be, and it may endear some people to the one being canceled, but it can limit someone’s ability to spread harmful ideas to new people. Again, I don’t think we should harass people. But I don’t think holding people accountable for their actions never works. Hence my point about doing both.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Blaming parents is an individualistic solution to a systemic problem

    A system made up of individual people....

    No one EVER wants to take personal responsibility. God forbid a parent actually parent and not just hand their child's mind over to the state.

    Timmy - Can I have meta glasses / mindrape myself with brainrot?

    Parent - No.

    Problem solved over night.

    Shifting all of the onus onto the "mysterious system" is exactly what causes these issues in the first place. Its a cop out 100%. "Well I know I didnt even try but but but the system."

    Change happens when individuals nut up and take things into their own hands.

    The parents are shitty parents and will continue to be so as long as people keep hand-waving any and all responsibility.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    If you expect people to be better than they are, you're going to be as disappointed in people as I am with your counterpoint.

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  • Like, I agree with you, except that

    Change happens when individuals nut up and take things into their own hands.

    Could mean people get new legislation passed or something. Otherwise, we're basically just telling people to choose not to be addicted to heroin.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (5 children)

    Yet “it takes a school to raise’m”‽
    It is the parents job to educate children the value of privacy, and how to maintain it.
    Corporations, thus capitalism, exist because the parents have allowed them to invade their privacies too. Corporations wouldn't exist if the demand for violating privacy existed: the parents are harassers too.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    It's people's own fault for being surveilled? For being stalked with flock cameras, for example? Just withdraw your consent and everything's ok and capitalism collapses? If I'm incorrect in my interpretation of your words, please clarify, but in its current form I'm not challenged by it.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    It is precisely the fact people are not challenging surveillance, flock cameras, capitalism, and violators of consent that harassment like this is institutionalized. Violations don't occur overnight. It predates slowly, hunts, and makes itself systemic. Trump & MAGA are a symptom of systemic predation.

    Now tell neighbors if they are ok being quartered by a predator. Because essentially, has been a predation paradise since forever.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago*

    Yet “it takes a school to raise’m”‽

    Yes... because it's the parent's job to make capitalist parasites richer, not raise children. That's the whole reason we park our kids in the glorified creches called "schools" in the first place.

    You can't expect parents to teach their kids anything the parents never understood (or had the energy to understand) in the first place.

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