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[–] 62 points 2 months ago (8 children)

remember when A ps3 was considered militarily significant....

good old days

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  • [–] 29 points 2 months ago (6 children)
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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    True fact!

    As a side note, I've been learning about how weird the ps3 cell architecture is, and why it's so hard to emulate.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (1 child)

    IIRC the hardest thing about PS3 emulation was the fact that Cell was an 8 core cpu, and at the time of PS3's release, single core CPUs were still very dominant, and even years after the PS3s release only dual core CPUs had become a thing, with the bleeding edge just getting into 4 cores.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    The 8 "cores" were co-processors, so not really cores the way we think about them now.

    The architecture is unconventional because the bus design to move data between the these and the gpu is very fast, but had a weird pipeline to determine how to route that data.

    Apparently it's a very difficult thing to reproduce in a virtual environment.

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  • [–] 96 points 2 months ago* (5 children)

    It's the NVIDIA Jetson Orin NX 16 GB. From the Ampere family, 3.5 years old. Small Tegra SoC.

    I guess something like this is a typical dual use good, and doesn't fall under the AI Chip export restriction either because it's too weak. Seems like it would be trivial for Russians to import them from China or India or whomever really.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    That's actually a lot more recent than I expected. Was guessing something fairly ancient and pre-sanctions, like 2018. Interesting.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    As the other commenter said, likely from China. The US banned exports of the super high-end chips to China IIRC, but not low-end stuff. And India is known to sell anything to anyone as well.

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  • [+] -8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    India does not have a state controlled economy, unlike China. What would be the issue if an Indian company sold non sanctioned goods to an ally? Or are you just an ignorant racist?

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  • [–] 159 points 2 months ago (21 children)

    Odd to consider that Nvidia is now an arms dealer.

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  • [–] 123 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (6 children)

    The fucktard who made the Oculus Rift likes to use my preferred operating system to kill people. Tech is a wild world.

    Edit: actually not just tech. Capitalism is just evil in general and polutes everything both literally and metaphorically

    We live in a world where it's sorta just widely understood that the bottled-water chocolate-bar company murders people for profit on the regular

    It's all fucked at every level

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  • [–] 30 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Palmer Luckey is the goofiest looking cunt out hey. Imagine looking at yourself in the mirror with that stupid goatee and thinking you know what would go well with this, a hawaian shirt. Imagine having so much but being worth so little. What a fucken loser.

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  • [–] 35 points 2 months ago* (3 children)

    Always have been. Orin nano/nx SoMs are in all sorts of weapons systems. NixOS had a whole community civil war because Anduril heavily adopted NixOS and integrated it with Jetpack, the BSP that these run. They're kind of a PITA to use (fuck you WayneWWW...IYKYK) but they're easily the highest performance SoM of that size and the power consumption is workable for these kinds of...short lived systems. I think they started out targeting automotive applications and never really took off in the commercial world despite being comparable to Apple silicon in performance because they have no power saving modes. They ended up being perfect for doing real time object detection from a MIPI camera though so now they're the gold standard for bleeding edge slaughterbots.

    Before the Orin, a lot of more experimental systems were using the TX2i and Xavier modules, but they had much less computing power and the image recognition models weren't as capable anyway.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Interesting, thanks. I've seen NixOS requirements in german military projects. And it is very interesting looking at western downed drone teardowns in the Ukraine. I kept looking for NVidia logo there.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    All of the tech giants discovered that there is much more money to be made making tech for dystopian authoritarian governments than gamers. It was inevitable I guess.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    Apple once advertised their new PowerMac G4 was so powerful it was classified as a munition and hence illegal to export. (this was stretching the truth a bit as the regulation allowing export of over 1 gigaflops machines had already passed)

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  • [–] 41 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    By all means consider Nvidia a valid military target

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  • [–] 40 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (6 children)

    "Vhen rockets go up, who cares vhere zey come down? Zat's not my department!"

    Sarcasm aside, you can buy these in dev kits on MicroCenter:

    https://www.microcenter.com/product/691058/nvidia-jetson-orin-nano-super-developer-kit

    Which means the components are pretty widely available. I'm not sure how you'd prevent someone from ordering a bunch to an in-between country and then shipping them on to Russia after.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    I wonder whether it'd be possible by tracking serial numbers. You might get the first customer.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Potentially, assuming they weren’t stolen or sold off to a secondary buyer from a legit first customer. Problem is another one just pops up in its place.

    I’m not saying don’t persue them, I’m saying it’s a game of state funded whack’a’mole.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 months ago*

    Oh yeah? Well Russia found a copy of The Sims 3 in a Ukrainian Neptune missile, so now they're even!

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  • [–] 39 points 2 months ago

    Global Capitalism > Discrete Imperialism

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  • [–] 85 points 2 months ago (14 children)

    As someone with previous defense connections, I'd been wondering when we'd see this.

    ITAR has severely restricted access to nav system tech export, but there was always this open question about reckoning position by visual cues rather than GPS + dead reckoning. We all knew it was technically feasible, but we assumed that having "visual" cues was further out because AI at the time wasn't up to the task.

    The answer is the same, though. Nvidia, willing or not, is now a defendant in an unjust war, and must be subpoena'd by the ICC. At a minimum, they should be immediately sanctioned by foundry specialists (like ASML) until they are prepared to account for how, exactly, this tech ended up in a Russian missile.

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  • [–] 30 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    we assumed that having “visual” cues was further out because AI at the time wasn’t up to the task.

    For just terrain recognition, the US has had that since before there was GPS. Since the 1950s even.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TERCOM

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago* (3 children)

    ITAR has severely restricted access to nav system tech export, but there was always this open question about reckoning position by visual cues rather than GPS + dead reckoning. We all knew it was technically feasible, but we assumed that having “visual” cues was further out because AI at the time wasn’t up to the task.

    There's always going back to the old-fashioned method of having a trained pigeon inside of the device instead of a sophisticated computer vision system.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Or the pigeon can be the drone itself, what a wonderful world it is

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)

    Wasn't there some historical leader with mad beef with someone they were at war with, she requested several pigeons as part of peace negotiations and she released them to fly back carrying burning twigs and absolutely destroyed the enemy city?

    Edit: Added a necessary word lol

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago

    Nvidia, willing or not, is now a defendant in an unjust war, and must be subpoena'd by the ICC.

    Subpoenas only exist in the US. Since it did not sign the Rome treaty, and since Nvidia is an American company - the ICC has no power here.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Plenty of western tech still ends up in Russian weapons, it's nothing new. NVidia should be just put in queue.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Current defense worker here:

    Was talking with a coworker recently about how ITAR/EAR rules are hilariously out of date. Basic IMUs coming from China these days are good enough that you can establish a reasonable dead reckoning nav to where those parts of the munitions list are just defunct. Shit I did that in college ten years ago with high power rockets and things have only gotten better.

    The new proposed regulations over AI chips are also wildly misguided and demonstrate how Congress/Executive branch have no idea what the tech even is. The top of the line chips today are needed for LLMs, fast fixture acquisition and tracking can be done on a way less powerful piece of hardware that new regulations will fail to stop (that's even assuming that the bans would have worked in the first place, which they won't)

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  • [+] -6 points 2 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    The unjust war CIA and MI6 took great pains and a long time to prepare you mean?

    Sources? Credible or incredible; just not some Telegram channel please. Open www.

    The rest of your comment is just whataboutism, and writing "you people" on social media always says more about the writer's mental health than about said people. No disrespect.

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    [–] 19 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    It makes sense to use Machine Learning technology (not the Generative crap, the actual pattern recognition stuff) for terminal target recognition.

    The surprise would be if Russia did not use AI in their newest cruise missile design - just because their society is fucked up and their leadership is a socipathic, disconnected autocrat surrounded by yes men that put his own personal pride above the lives of millions of his countrymen, doesn't mean Russia doesn't have the people with the technical knowledge to design systems with AI (though certainly far fewer of those than they had before they tried to invade Ukraine, since a ton of the Russians with the highest qualifications left).

    I mean, given them another 50 years or so in their current trajectory, but for now they're probably still capable of creating their own high-tech solutions in focused applications.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    You severely overestimate Russia's technological capabilities. For the last 30 years all of the money has been moving to politician's pockets. They are not losing in Ukraine because of a fluke, they are losing because they are a hollowed out shell of what they used to be.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago*

    For many years when I lived in Britain I had a good friend and for a while work colleague who came from Russia. At least when he studied there (so, 30 years ago) their educational system at least for Science and Mathematics was no worse than those in Europe. In fact it's one of the few good things the so-called "Communist" countries tend to do - they invest heavilly in Education.

    Beyond that, there are two different things:

    • One is a country's capabilities to have sizable industries operating at a certain technological level.
    • The other one is finding a handful of specialists for very specific design projects in highly controlled environments where making a profit is no concern.

    Whilst it makes sense that Russia has trouble in the first case of actually doing high tech as a business, in size and profitably, because they at least did have a very good educational systems in Science and Mathmatics it also makes sense that they do have people with the know-how there which they could gather for specific high tech design projects were "money is not a problem" since they did train techies as good as the rest of Europe and it was not that long ago so those people are still alive.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    ai gives me faith that those rockets will miss more than they hit

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  • [–] 18 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Rocket missing a military target sometimes means a rocket incidentally hitting a civilian object, so not good. All kinds of rockets and drones are used to hit targets in all major cities. They're not only used for some standalone objects in the middle of nowhere.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    oh, that washing machine technology is getting more and more advanced.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Ironically my washing machine has a big AI logo on the front.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    Has it passed the Turing Test?

    (JK. The tests are bullshit too.)

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    The machine is definitely Turing-complete, and definitely NOT trying to pretend to be human. It’s AI claim is for a cloud-based feature I don’t use that adjusts the cycle stages over time to maximize cleanliness and minimize wear on the contents based on personal usage patterns and detected content types.

    The machine does do a few neat things like check water retention of the contents before starting the load (it weighs the contents, adds a known volume of water, drains without spinning and checks the weight difference and the dirtiness of the drained water). There’s no way I want it feeding all my washing data into a massive online data lake for AI analysis though, so I keep that bit disconnected.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 months ago (9 children)
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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    Yes, but people die IRL when you play it.

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    But it comes with a free frozen yogurt

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    Jensen Huang – Le noveau marchand de la mort

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    Not really. If confirmed, it means someone somewhere was smart enough to do something like drive across a border in a truck with fake papers. It's very, very unlikely that Nvidia directly sold to anyone in a way that would get them in trouble.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    They made games like war and war like a game.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Does this mean it can play Doom?

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