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[–] 57 points 3 months ago

Source: windowslatest 🧐

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  • [–] 26 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    Ironically, I'm not sure it matters.

    people running bots are still a large section of an OS's market share. Microsoft wouldn't hesitate to include bots and such like because it inflates the appearance that "everyone just uses it". which does in fact drive up usage.

    People running bots are still people using computers and such.

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  • [+] [S] -12 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    if I would to run bots I would only ever use windows or mac osx user agents. I would never use linux

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    I'm pretty sure that they're talking about people deploying hundreds of VMs in a single go... In which case, licensing fees start racking up; and certain kinds of linux are very good at that kind of deployment.

    once you start walking away from end-user computing; as an example, MS holds only 8% of all web-facing servers, where Unix (including linux,) is 90%. Linux distros specifically, are something like 61%. Nobody has even mentions apple's macOS server options. Roughly half of professional devs use windows as the daily driver; but that largely has to do with organizations and integration with other MS products (like office.)

    IMO, more telling in this conversation is the supercomputers... which are entirely some form of linux. And also, MS's own Azure, clients mostly use linux. And for good reason kubernettes and docker were designed for linux, and it's just easier. Also, there's no per-instance license fees for your VM's if you're using linux. there is for microslop.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    The numbers already accounted for bots.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Classic bots (e.g. standard web crawlers, as used by search engines, that report their both nature inside their user agent) or the modern LLM-controlled bots that control a full modern browser that also runs javascript?

    Because I can imagine they account for the first category, while missing the latter, which have become increasingly more prominent.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    The kind that wants to not appear as a bot is unlikely to send a Linux user agent even if running on Linux.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    It doesn't have to be on purpose. Web crawlers like Google's specifically identify themselves as a bot. A headless browser just acts like any normal browser, and uses the same user agent as one, just controlled by code rather than a keyboard and mouse.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    Kinda assumed that. Who really thinks Linux usage DOUBLED worldwide in a month?

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    Wonder if Europe's "digital sovereignty" is having an impact.

    I've seen a significant increase in the numbers of "I've finally switched!" posts to Linux groups. No clue how much that moves the needle though.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    There are a lot of Linux fanboys (especially on Lemmy) that are huffing some serious copium and think it’s a sign that Linux is taking over the desktop landscape at an alarming rate.

    The spike was too much of an abnormality to come across as organic.

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  • [+] 4 points 3 months ago (1 child)
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    [–] 149 points 3 months ago (10 children)

    Just note how the guy starts with "only Microsoft numbers can be trusted" is biased bullshit. Pretending a company will give true numbers at all time, is a big lie. If anything they will inflate numbers and they'd try to hide the truth as much as they can because investors are watching.

    While there will be truth in bots taking a part of the traffic, the whole article is Microsoft bootlicker talk.

    Taking another random tool that seems to filter bot for results is just him trying to get a confirmation for his bias.

    Yes a 10% stat at a given time by a given measurement tool, is not equal to a true 10% userbase. Yes there are bots. Yes there are Linux and Windows zombies alike.

    Still, linux desktop is going up, with a fraction of the marketing power Windows and Apple have.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago* (3 children)

    Just note how the guy starts with "only Microsoft numbers can be trusted" is biased bullshit.

    I would argue misquoting someone to fit your argument is more a egregious example of "biased bullshit".

    Only Microsoft or OEM partners can tell you with the highest accuracy how many people use Windows now versus five years ago.

    This is literally true. They're not saying they WILL tell you the accurate numbers, they're saying only they have those numbers to tell.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I own 6 Windows Professional licenses. I am presently using two. You really think Microsoft are the ones to trust?

    Having numbers others don't doesn't make those numbers useful or true in every context.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago* (1 child)

    No. No one is telling anyone to "trust Microsoft", no one is saying "the numbers Microsoft reports are true". That is a quote the guy above invented from thin air.

    Edit: but for the record, it would be lawsuit territory for MSFT to actually publish false numbers. The shareholders would absolutely ream them. They're allowed to not post numbers, but they're not allowed to post false numbers.

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  • [–] 29 points 3 months ago

    Yes there are zero bots running windows and nothing would ever inflate those numbers pleased clap.

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  • [–] 26 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Ignoring that the default browsers on many distros are seen as bot traffic, filtering the alleged bot traffic on Linux still results in around 7% of overall traffic, up from 4ish a year ago. It also doesn’t explain the giant leaps in downloads on many distros that correlate with the spike. It’s possible some organization set up a ton of computers with openclaw and a wide variety of distros on it I guess to influence opinion 🤷‍♀️

    Also extremely biased source

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  • [–] 50 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child)

    Copium

    To address some of the author's points.

    1. MacOS vs OSX: to my understanding, safari reports the OS as OSX still, likely for compatibility reasons. 3rd party browsers such as chrome changed their agent to macOS, which explains the split. macOS users are more likely to use Safari in general.
    2. Bots: Does the author really believe these sites aren't capable of detecting bots? I'm sure some slip through, but if not traffic were included in general, then Linux would be at a 90% share or higher. They just consume way more page traffic than a human ever could.
    3. Data corrections: Sure, the data may get corrected a bit to bring Linux numbers back down, but there is a clear trend that Linux numbers are rising. It also happens that Windows is where people are migrating from the most.
    4. Official numbers from Microsoft: lol
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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Bots: Does the author really believe these sites aren’t capable of detecting bots? I’m sure some slip through, but if not traffic were included in general, then Linux would be at a 90% share or higher. They just consume way more page traffic than a human ever could.

    Only other possibility I can think of is llms made botting for small operators more accessible. Still leads to a lot more people running linux

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  • [–] 24 points 3 months ago

    Okay, so did they account for the bots that claim to be Windows PCs? (I'll bet there are still some running around that identify themselves as IE 6, although those may finally no longer be the majority of all bots.)

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  • [–] 22 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    it's weird (perhaps convenient) that their explanation is "bots" but they don't mention bot metrics from StatCounter themselves: according to StatCounter numbers, bot traffic share increased 0.37% in July 2026, while Linux Desktop grew 1.92% in the same month.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    What I read is a whole lot of vagueness and assumptions and so n so...

    Anecdotal evidence doesn't count but Ima use this one today: I know a guy.

    Not a super tech wizard in the slightest but works with pc's, recently told me he joined the linux camp with bazzite. I think we here on the fediverse all probably know someone who recently switched through proton/bazzite or mint/ubuntu ...

    And those might not all stick around, but some will.

    As long as MS keeps shooting themselves in the foot and showing their allegiance to drumpelstilskin and company I'd like to think people are going to take notice.

    It's not gonna be that old lady next door but her grandson at some point probably will be coming across linux at some point.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    Just shutdown my PS5 for good until it will be moddable, and upgraded my mid-tier PC and switched to Bazzite to use it as a game console. After getting used to the new OS, everythings been flawless so far, I'm happy I've made the switch.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago

    Sounds like they're in denial.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago*

    guys don't tell them that this also means that windows is poop, since it's either too bad at scaling or at tech infrastructure to even attract ai developers to the platform 😂

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  • [–] 18 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Overall probably closer to the truth.

    I wish people didn't obsess over these large numbers as much. Like when Linux suddenly hit 5% on Steam when that was clearly just an outlier and was destined to fall right back down.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago

    The only interesting thing about the numbers is that eventually, people outside the tech bubble will pick up on it and think about seeing what the fuss is about and if it's a solution for them and then maybe also switching.

    In that sense: I "heard" that the number is 20% actually. Windows is so over. It's true. Pass it on.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago* (3 children)

    How would that clearly be an outlier? Hindsight is 20/20, right?

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Something strange with the March 2026 results was that it had two new distro entries, "0 64 bit" at 17.60% and "64 bit" at 8%. In April, one of those entries disappeared and the other's share dropped significantly. In May, both were gone entirely and Linux was back to a more reasonable marketshare of 4%.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    Honestly it seems like they more or less identified all of the former unidentified users, and it turns out the vast vast majority of which are on unix based systems.

    If this goes right down again, I'd imagine the unidentified users to go up - But would be a decent indication for a lot of traffic being scrapers

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    Aww :(

    So is it still 4%?

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    There are thousands of organizations that rely on Microsoft for their office suite, Outlook, Teams and these companies have thousands of PCs. They can mandate what update will get pushed, restrict admin access, running monitoring tools etc.. These are hard to replace.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    Jokes on them. I'm running WSL.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I'm on pro Linux side and still think that trend was pushed by AI scrappers.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Why not try promoting the Linux desktop as a platform that makes it easy to use AI bots?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago* (2 children)

    That sounds like Ubuntu in the future to me.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    I feel like im never early to things, so I've been using linux for 2 years it's probably pretty popular and has been for a while now

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Humans are why we cannot have nice things. The internet was always going to get ridiculous, just like the usa was always going to prove back to the future right in the stupidest possible way.

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    [–] 91 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Here at home two computers change from windows to linux in the past couple months. Windows isn't coming back 🤗

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  • [–] 25 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Household doesnt run a windows device. They f'ed up real bad with win 11.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    Yrah, but that's what they said about Windows ME.....and Vista.....and Windows 8......and now 11.

    Microsoft learns from their mistakes. It's what helps them to make sure they make all new mistakes.

    What concerns me is that ever since XP, every "good" release is worse than the last good release.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    I just got started with Linux this year when I set up my very 1st proxmox mini PC running multiple Ubuntu sever VM to just today getting around to dual booting my media/gaming PC with Cachy OS.

    Add on my Steam deck and Iinux is taking over my house with only 2 dual boot windows installed and one will barely get used.

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  • [–] 35 points 3 months ago

    Nice try, Windows

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  • [–] 25 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    My family had 3 windows machines a few years ago. Now we have 3 Linux machines.

    I know we're not representative of the public at large, but my siblings are interested in transitioning... My friends are having more and more gripes with windows lately... Seems like a revolution is on the horizon. Never seen this sort of willingness, so who knows

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    I gave away my old pc to my grandpa and installed a Linux Mint on it. This will prob be better 100% than win 11. He only uses pc for simple things like browsing internet and office work. Installed ONLYOFFICE which is 1:1 Microso.

    Trying to convince my dad rn.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Just to echo you. Same, we went to Linux transitioned one computer almost two years ago, then all four in our house slowly. We've been windows free for over a year now.

    Honestly I don't think Windows could ever get my family back.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago*

    Good on you all!!!

    Hope you and your family can help others make the switch too.

    Nobody deserves to stay over on the horrible side

    Edit: Oh and many of us have been getting people to switch or dual boot, and getting others to help out the effort. So definitely seeing the first fruits of that.

    Can't wait for us to get 15% then 30% seeing Linux hardware, and devices gradually become everywhere

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    And did you help setup any of those machines?

    Now imagine a family that doesn't have a tech guy like you. You think they would ever be able to install any OS, let alone Linux?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    For the arch machine, not a chance. For the fedora silver blue machine? Yeah the process was super easy. The hardest part was probably getting the iso on a USB stick, but my wife walked through the initial setup with me via the GUI installer. It was no harder and much faster than a Windows install via a USB stick.

    I don't think my mom could do it solo.

    Regardless, it's pretty much set it and forget it, so if I'm visiting - could setup in 20 minutes and from that point onward no intervention required from me.

    It's not rocket science but I get that some people will just want to use whatever is pre installed or whatever was configured for them.

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  • [–] 23 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    Even if that's true it doesn't invalidate the 10% market share, I doubt that all 57% of Windows machines are actual users.

    This is where I stopped reading. We’re looking at OS X, which was replaced by macOS in 2016, at 21.14%, while macOS itself sits at 8.6%.

    Statcounter says on their market share page for macOS that they can't really reliably show usage stats for anything past 10.15, due to a bug in Apple WebKit. The actual market share of macOS is very likely much higher.

    Granted, Windows 11 is not a perfect OS

    You don't say...

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  • [–] 21 points 3 months ago

    This propaganda was brought to you by Microslop. Seriously though, as there is with all propaganda there is likely some truth to it, but I think the majority are real users. The winds are changing, and Microsoft is afraid.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago

    I demand heckin' sources for that claim.

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  • [–] 26 points 3 months ago

    So the microsoft toady who wrote the article is saying that linux does ai better than windows 11?

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago

    Basically, the article says "Windows is doing fine. Microsoft even told us. Also, no one uses AI bots on Windows."

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago

    The bot argument is valid but the OS X thing could just be because most browsers on macOS report “Mac OS X” in the User-Agent string for compatibility (and 10.15 as the version regardless of the actual OS version, for privacy reasons).

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    I'd be willing to bet enough Linux users use anti-fingerprinting tools to make the statistics super inaccurate anyway.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    Only windows device in the house is my work computer, which is mandated to have it for specific company demands.

    Everything in the house otherwise is some nature of Unix.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    I think this is still good to see. People on the edge of switching operating systems might see 10% market share on linux and finally give it a chance. It would be pure herd mentality but anything to get people off of Microslop.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Personally I made the jump a month or two ago. I don't think it is 100% AI traffic this increase.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 3 months ago*

    It's increasingly easier to jump as ai kind of solves any problems u might have which previously would require steep learning curve. Not it's just hey chatgepete why is Bluetooth not working

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    While this sounds like cope, I'm leaning towards believing it. Firefox also just saw a 50% increase in users... Or the data got messed up in some way that nobody else (including Mozilla themselves) is able to detect and report.

    Organic Linux usage jumping a full 100% seems even less likely.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Chrome also implemented its adblock restrictions.

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    The thing with FOSS is, that market share matters to an extend, only. It's about support und continued development and financing that (or helping otherwise).

    The strain on the FOSS developers isn't closely related to the market share. Ok, bigger market share, might help to better the financing.

    But Linux does well with the current share. (Doesn't mean its devs do too.) Server wise Linux is already here to stay. Desktop wise... It's much better than years ago, I must say.

    KDE, Pipewire and all the USB and bluetooth device integration is already pretty good. There are bugs and flaws, but nothing serious. Hardware support - I can't think of any hardware in my possession, that isn't supported.

    All the office apps, browsers, development environments don't need Windows anymore.

    Gaming? Steam will continue to nudge developers to release native Linux versions. Or proper wine configs. They have a steam hardware to sell after all.
    Yes, the anti-tamper ring0 and virtualization stuff can't be easily emulated or virtualized, I heard. Or has that changed?

    Anything else that needs Windows running natively?

    Specialized software still needs native Windows? What about Adobe and the like? Tools without a fully featured replacement and no native Linux version. These might offer Linux support if the share increases.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    That's rookie numbers let's get it to 30% to get massive amounts of new Linux hardware, devices, accessories made. Also, to make unlockable bootloader the standard for phones, tablets, cars, etc

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    I thought those numbers looked fishy, now we know why. Actually, the numbers themselves aren't fishy, the fishy part is misinterpreting them.

    Is there a reliable site that does report user installations of OS's?

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  • [–] [S] 12 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    windowslatest.com. domain checks out.
    ofc they would say that

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