Apparently there will be some boycott of PS in regards of decision to discontinue disks.

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[–] 177 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Don’t think casual gamers will care about this. Most will probably just boot up their games on PlayStation after a long day of work or university.

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  • [–] 83 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Dang. Guess I'm gonna have to go yet another week keeping my PS2 offline.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I won't be turning mine on, but that's only because I recently hacked my GameCube, so I'll be playing that until I decide to go back.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    GameCube is still by far the best way to play Game Boy Advance on original hardware. Hacking it to play in 240p gives a wonderfully crisp image, and it's a lot easier now than it used to be, especially now that we have alternatives to needing the Game Boy Player disk.

    I used my hacked Game Boy Player to play through Golden Sun 1 and 2 on my 20" Ikegami PVM and it was a glorious experience.

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  • [–] 144 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    👏 Businesses don't give a fuck about a timed boycott👏

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  • [–] 80 points 3 months ago* (4 children)

    Seriously, timed blackouts and petitions are just being performative. If someone actually cares, sell your ps5/move to another platform. Nothing else matters. This is like how sports game fans complain every year that the game sucks but are still willing to drop 80 dollars on it.

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  • [–] 21 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    still willing to drop 80 dollars on it.

    *150$

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    LOL.

    And people buy that.

    Gaming market is FUCKED UP beyond recovery.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Gaming market is FUCKED UP beyond recovery.

    AAA gaming market*. Indie market is unaffected by this bullshit.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    This, aside from recently playing Death Stranding I got for free, and occasional Guild Wars 2 because they are pretty cool, I have not paid for (or played) an AAA game for years at this point.

    There's so many cool indie games if you know where to dig, there's really no need to play another remastered AAA slop.

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  • [–] 60 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    I'm in.

    Admittedly I don't own a PlayStation.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I haven't owned a Sony console since the PS2, but I will gladly double, even triple, my effort to continue to do nothing!

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  • [+] 58 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)
  • [–] -2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Boycotting with a small window, isn't the whole war, it's just one shot fired. It gives them an idea of the numbers involved, the amount of people who disagree with their policy, and an idea we won't just forget and roll over. If they ignore the first shot fired, you fire more, and you get bigger with every shot fired. It's got to effect their bottom line, or they will ignore it. People who entirely abstain are just measured as not in the argument at all. You don't give them pressure by never owning a PlayStation. You just aren't a customer. They count customers. It would even be worthwhile to create a PlayStation account, log in the day before the boycott, and log out for the duration, then log in again the day after the end, so you have a measurable voice in the movement. If you went to their offices, you would just look clinically unhinged, and they would just involve police, and ignore you.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    I don't necessarily disagree with you. Depending on what your aim is there, which isn't really explained in anything you have said.

    I think we're talking about entirely different things. And different wants for outcome. I don't necessarily advocate personally for the efforts they've exampled, I just saw you didn't seem to understand their logic. So I explained what they aim for.

    They aim to let PlayStation see the numbers in agreement behind the want for physical media. That's it. Just physical media. Stopping within a time frame, as a group, speaks volumes for that.

    I'm entirely unclear on what you're trying to actually achieve, though. You want to abstain from PlayStation forever, that's it? I don't see why you are engaging in discussion about it, if you're just done, be done.

    If you have a free week to sit outside some PlayStation headquarters, go do. I would suggest less people have that ability, than the number that have the ability to show, how many in numbers they are, by abstaining for a week.

    I'm also not American and I don't live in America. If you think your way is better, rather than sprout off, go gather numbers and organise.

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  • [+] 116 points 3 months ago (16 children)
  • [–] 56 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    this is a pretty accurate representation of most current day boycotts.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    Yup. People can't sacrifice anything these days to make a statement.

    What is especially frustrating is how quickly these corporations would fold under pressure. Take a principled position for 1 week and watch what happens.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Take a principled position for 1 week and watch what happens.

    As soon as a timeframe is added, the company will just ignore it, especially something as minor as a week. Boycott should not have an end date, only then would a company start to consider it and maybe try to do something to end it.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Sorry, I didn't mean literally a week and to tell them first. I meant if enough people did this they would start to see the results of their effort in about one week.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I wish I could see it in my lifetime. The scrambling back to people on their hands and knees and suddenly being super user friendly and pro consumer would be a glorious sight to behold.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Its literally so easy most of the time. Once or twice a year something comes out that I really want to use / play. Its the two times per year I "suffer.". The rest is stuff I probably would have tried and played but its now so far off my radar they'll never see a cent again (unless of course there is a major overhaul in whatever co's business model; happy to return with a change).

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    I feel this exact way with GTA 6 right now but it got a lot easier for me when I realized how many thousands of potential hours of amazing experiences I already have in my library.

    I'm starting to feel more fulfilled on going through that backlog than I am on whatever new game everyone is playing.

    I should have taken this route a long time ago.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Thats a weird one because Activision wants mw2 players to stop playing. They refuse the patch an RCE in multiplayer. These people are probably playing on the private servers. But if they spend any time on the game thats time away from where Activision wants them which is on the new game.

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  • [–] -2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Hm I wonder if that list of 17 pages is perhaps sorted to show people in the game who may have either accidentally clicked the join button or are new.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago*

    ? I mean obviously there's the possibility of it being shopped but there's no sort order you could do where Borderlands, Dragon Age, and Team Fortress would all be up there mixed in to the Call of Duty players while still showing primarily Call of Duty in the middle of the list.

    Judging by the name order it seems like it's just 1 page of online players and 16 pages of offline players? I would guess maybe it was taken way after the boycott but I dont know the full context.

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  • [+] 39 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (12 children)
  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago* (6 children)

    Yeah, switching to PC is a significantly more effective boycott strategy. You can still play games and give Sony $0.

    Edit: And yes I realize PC generally doesn't have disks either. However, you aren't locked into PS' store and things like GOG exist. I make a point to buy games on GOG, and so should anyone interested in OP's boycott.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    Big difference for me is PC is open hardware and open OS. Should the worst happen there are possible solutions from those voyaging the seas.

    But, consoles are locked down, and jailbreaks can be years away.

    Its why despite buying digital on PC without issue I continued to buy physical for consoles, since I felt more in control of PC hardware than I did console hardware. Physical on consoles was a way of gaining back some control despite the hardware being locked.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    The comparison still doesn't make sense. You can't play a PlayStation disc on a different platform. If you buy a disc on console you are locked to that ecosystem.

    Sony are doing this because not enough people buy discs to make it worth manufacturing, and PC gamers should know this because this new age of digital gaming started with the PC. Switching to PC just proves their point.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    You are locked to the ecosystem, but the disc function can't be revoked through account ban and is actually transferable to other people because of that.

    Something Sony dislikes compared to digital where there is no second hand market.

    Switching to PC proves the point that if games are digital people prefer open hardware and open OS options over locked down hardware.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    Not that is should be a valid response, but you can jail break PlayStations to play whatever game you have a "back up" copy of. That tends to be my method of playing legacy PS games because it's easier than dealing with discs.

    At the end of the day, console gaming is a different product to PC gaming. That's more obvious with Nintendo, but overall expectations should be different.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    I think part of it is people don't forego convenience but also that we've allowed corporations to cement hegemonies that there honestly is very little ability to boycott.

    Some industries are so centralized it's impossible to effectively boycott and vote with your wallet.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    Gamers are notoriously bad at voting with their wallet

    When everyone was complaining about the Switch 2 price prior to release, I knew that it'd still sell like hotcakes.

    Hasn't stopped people buying the Steam Machine, either.

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  • [–] 29 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    I never understood these. Then the week after y'all will come back business as usual. How does it actually affect anything?

    I owned a ps3. Last one I've owned. That's how you do it.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    How does it actually affect anything?

    It gives certain social influencers a soapbox from which they can shout "Like, Subscribe, and Share!"

    Modern day "boycotts" aren't really economic actions. They're media stunts advanced by affinity marketing groups intended to collect personal information and demonstrate their ability to mobilize large numbers of people.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago*

    Agreed on the last part. But a less cynical take: Companies like Sony obsessively track their sales metrics. If a campaign like this does go viral, and only a few percent of people actually follow through, it does create a noticeable dip in the metrics and an explanation will be demanded internally. There's a small chance this makes certain managers a bit more careful about such decisions.

    In rare cases companies have taken back or at least delayed similar moves, and they never do so without indication that it will indeed affect their bottom line.

    Though I don't think this campaign will have much effect, since asking for a full week is not something many people will follow through with. Also Sony is clearly banking on the fact that customers will stay due to lock-in to their ecosystem.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago* (1 child)

    Yep. The hill my new console owning habits died on was any corp pushing paying to play online subscriptions and I stuck to that. I'll buy used later if there's exclusives I want and I can't just emulate it like Switch 1.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Yeah I went from Sega to ps3 to switch 1 to nothing. But I've always owned a PC.

    I still really want to play bloodborne, the emulation was rough when I tried it last, but I'm not gonna buy a ps4 just for one game.

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  • [–] 53 points 3 months ago (15 children)

    Boycotts don't have start dates. They happen as soon as someone says it happens and you're either in, or you're out.

    Boycotts don't have end dates. They happen until demands are met. If that means you never buy/do that thing again, so be it. If you're not prepared to commit all the way, don't participate.

    Over time, the definition of "boycott" has been watered down to make people forget what makes a boycott effective. People have forgotten that the Montgomery Alabama bus boycotts lasted for literal years and saw people donating time and money to fixing up old cars, horse-drawn carriages, and carpooling to make them effective.

    If you want real change, you have to be prepared to take real action. This one week boycott is pussy shit and won't solve anything. If you're gonna organize, do it for something that will work.

    The boycott begins today. Right now. No more PS+ logins or payment. No more buying new games or consoles. No more anything that puts money in Sony's pocket (buying used is fine, that money only goes to the reseller) and it lasts until Sony reverses its decision to stop printing physical games.

    If we want to continue boycotting until they revise their digital licensing, we can demand that once we've made progress on the physical media. That's what everyone cares about, so let's keep the demands short and simple with that as the only one.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (13 children)

    Couldn't agree more!

    Just cancelled my PS+ subscription with reason "other".

    I'll see you all on the seven seas!

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago* (5 children)

    Technically pirated games can be put on a physical media and stored indefinitely, neither do those require online connection afterwards, so Sony cant just remove those and Sony won't be getting any money or user metrics for it either.

    While not a perfect solution, it's a decent stopgap and will get more people on board than fully abstaining.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago* (3 children)

    Most important features of physical media are transferability (you can give the game to someone else and it will run) and autonomous access (you can run your game even if Sony or simply your Internet connection go down). Piracy typically checks both of these boxes.

    It may not hold a collector's value if that's what you're after, but I'd argue this is secondary anyway. And if you simply want to hold a bunch of game disks, you can always buy an empty disk and put the game in there.

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  • [–] 24 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    A boycott with a deadline isn't a boycott; it's barely a demonstration. A boycott is until demands are met, no sooner. This is controlled opposition. If you want your demands met, don't waste your time organizing for anything less than a real (full, indefinite) boycott.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    That's not true.

    It's much simpler, this tweet from one dude won't have the reach to really make any impact. Awareness is the problem more than willpower, and it's werid that we think anyone who "broke" the boycott was even aware to begin with. Or cares.

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  • [+] -1 points 3 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    And I'm saying that's a bad faith statement, as if you know every single person who didn't boycott pledged to boycott or even know of the boycott.

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  • [–] 23 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    the reddit thing failed bc the blackout had an end date, so this will fail too

    if yall want to make a noticeable impact then stop using playstation (or sony) services until they revert their decision

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago

    I thought that was the stupidest thing, the Reddit "blackout". Company doesn't care. It's a metric. It's a line on a graph. When stakeholders ask they'll point to it and say "This was are anticipated backlash from the Q2 decision to ban 3rd party APIs, but as you can see we already recovered and have grown at our normal pace."

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I do want to give some insight. The reddit blackout did work technically. At least for me. I left reddit during the blackout and joined lemmy. Found it a lot better and remained. Letting people get a taste for not bootlicking a corp during a blackout is a small way to kick start a change.

    Sure it might not get measurable change in the way the shareholders would change their mind, but every little discression against major corporations is a step in the right direction and I don't think the people ITT should be shitting on people for trying to retaliate against Sony, albeit for a short time.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    Good point. People are right that a week is unlikely to change much and we should set our sights higher. That said, you are also right that if we approach it with a "this is pointless and will fail" attitude, then no one tries the alternatives at all and the conditions that eventually lead to change will never develop. Best to participate, encourage your IRL friends to participate, and spend the whole week telling everyone who will listen about it.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    Why bother.

    Leave Sony. Dont threaten. I walked away after the ps2.

    The hardware is the problem and everyone seems to act like the physical media is the issue.

    Open hardware or gtfo.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    I have a couple PS3's. Bought used. No online games. I think I've bought more of their titles on PC than console.

    It's not even a boycott, I just haven't seen value in their recent offerings and would rather spend my money elsewhere.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    There's some stuff I'd love to experience on the PS5.

    But I will not be spending nearly a thousand dollars for a set top box with limited functionality they can effectively disable when I'm no longer making them enough money.

    And with SteamOS getting better and better, the convenience of a console over a PC is becoming less of a thing.

    Honestly, once SteamOS has dedicated apps for things like Hulu and Netflix, I think we can really change things. Right now my parents have an Xbox where my Dad can play an occasional game, but the interface is simple enough for my Mom to open her streaming apps. Once SteamOS gets that simple, I'll be switching them over.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    There’s some stuff I’d love to experience on the PS5

    Like what?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Astrobot, Horizon, God of War, Ratchet and Clank, etc.

    Some of the stuff I like from Sony (Last of US, Spider-man, Returnal) gets ported to PC eventually, but Sony has announced they're cutting back on that.

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  • [–] 18 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I see these things and laugh every time. One week or even one moth is meaningless, you have to commit. Boycott until you see the change you want. I've been boycotting EA for over a decade now, still haven't see any change but I feel better knowing I am not giving them money.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    Yeah, are they going to stop after a week, stomp their foot, and tell Sony to knock it off?

    I boycotted Walmart for years, realized I would never see any change, and continue to not shop there because Walmart sucks and my life is better now. If you make the change the goal, you are lining yourself up for disappointment. If you make doing business with companies congruent with your values the goal, you win if you last a week, you win bigger if you last a month, and you win the grand prize if they change or you leave and never look back!

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I'm doing a #psblackout since I was born but it didn't change anything

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  • [–] 15 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Not buying a product because you don’t like the product is not a boycott.

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