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[–] 100 points 4 months ago* (4 children)

The biggest issue is they take years between seasons. People lose interest.

The first two shows they mention coming out with a season 2 recently had their season 1 release in 2023!

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  • [–] 32 points 4 months ago

    I refuse to start watching a show until it's finished. I get to watch the entire series at my own pace (no waiting a week between episodes or years between seasons), I avoid stewing in my opinions and reading public opinion during the hiatus and having that affect my enjoyment of the next season, and I don't have to worry about the abrupt emotional disturbance of a premature cancelation. The only downside is having to avoid spoilers and not being able to join in conversation with others who are actually watching it while it originally airs.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    I agree. Other people are referencing how Netflix cancels shows after one season, but that doesn't seem relevant here. We're talking about people who do watch season 1 but not season 2.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    Only for mediocre shows tbh. It took 3 years for Severance S2 and it was highly awaited still. Now after S2 I'm even more excited for S3 and don't care if they take 2 or 3 years as long as the quality stays there.

    But I don't remember when Netflix had something I was so excited for.

    Wait, I do actually. The Witcher. Super excited, didn't care that they took 2 years... But then S2 was nowhere near as great as S1 and S3 just took a nosedive.

    There's a reason S1 was highly memed and the other seasons not.

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  • [–] 149 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    Probably because Netflix has a habit of often cancelling shows after a season or two. Why should viewers get invested in a shot if there's a good chance they will be cancelled?

    Also, too many Netflix shows are pretty shit these days.

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  • [–] 31 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Yup I've decide I won't watch a show that isn't finished at this point. I've fallen in love with too many just to watch them get canceled.

    The OA was so good and they fucking canceled it, I'll never subscribe to their service ever again for that.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Saaame. I got so angry when they canceled it. It broke my trust in them to deliver an end to any shows. Then they kept doing it. Left quite a long time ago and will not go back. There's just nothing worth the money on Neflix.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    Yup they just aren't willing to allow a show to take time to establish themselves, many people won't discover a show until its a few seasons in or even finished yet they can't stand it if a show doesn't get lots of views in season one.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Its not just Netflix these days. Every new show seems to start their life on the chopping block. If the first season doesn't get enough views in the first few days its out then season two doesn't even get made. If it does do okay then they get to start writing a second season, which means another 2 years before we get a second season and by then we have completely forgotten the show until you read about it getting cancelled 2 weeks after season 2 came out because nobody tuned in.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago*

    The costs have ballooned too much. When seasons were 18 episodes and it costs $100k per episode, it made sense to serialize. Often they were written as they were filmed. Now every episode costs $10 million and preproduction takes a year before the first scene can be filmed with massive post production. No one has really cracked the formula for making TV formats work well on streaming services. The all at once for binge watching only works if you already have a massive archive of shows to expose. The one episode a week for short boutique series that run a season every 3 years is not working well either.

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  • [–] 53 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    ...I'm not really sure why they care. In 99% of cases, there's only one extra season to watch anyway because Netflix cancelled the fucking show.

    Yes, I'm still salty about Santa Clarita Diet, why do you ask?

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Kaos for me. Will be pissed about that show being cancelled until I fucking die

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  • [–] 43 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    company known for cancelling shows after 1 season is surprised to discover their viewers are dropping shows after 1 season

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  • [–] 38 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Our family's policy is that we don't start a Netflix show until it has run its course and is over. We've had too many disappointments watching a show we like, only to have it get abruptly cancelled. There are too many other things to watch that won't pull the rug out from under us.

    I'm sure Netflix hates this, but it's their own fault. We are only responding to their irresponsible programming nonsense.

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  • [–] 32 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Netflix couldn’t even finish Altered Carbon respectfully. Got a season 2 and some poor anime to finish it off.

    Can’t trust em with any series really.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Did we get a season 2?

    Sure, in the show's universe, switching actors made complete sense. They literally can put their consciousness in another body, it's the entire premise, yes. Anthony Mackie isn't a bad actor whatsoever. I liked him in The Banker, Pain & Gain and some other shit he's done. Yet, to me, the show went to shit as soon as he became Kovacs. Just seemed like a huge tonal shift the show didn't need. And it's been a while, but if I remember correctly, the character felt like a completely different person, not same guy in new body.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    Yeah, the only similarity between them was the name of the character. They didn't sound or act similar. It would have been neat if you could recognize the character despite the different appearance.

    The first season had flashbacks of his old body, and it felt like it made more sense. The change in accent was a bit offputting, but can be reasonably explained away. Mackie just felt like a completely different character.

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  • [–] 28 points 4 months ago

    Why should viewers be interested, when Netflix treats its shows like draft ideas that more often than not get scrapped after one season?

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  • [–] 53 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Maybe because netflix cancels show a week after season 1 drops?

    People got burnt too many times, best case scenario it's a huge hit and in 3 years we get a 8 hour season 2.

    Why would viewers get invested?

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  • [–] 45 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Seems like a positive feedback loop:

    1. Netflix creates show that's pretty good
    2. People watch it
    3. Netflix takes too long to release season 2
    4. People forget show exists, stop watching
    5. Netflix drops a season years later
    6. No one watches it because they forgot what happened in season 1 and Netflix shows are so serial that you have to know what happened
    7. Netflix cancels show due to low viewership
    8. Fans of the show feel jilted and slam Netflix on social media
    9. Rinse and repeat
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  • [–] 27 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Don't forget the step in between 4 and 5 where Netflix recalculates the interest in season 2 and drastically changes the scope and pacing, making it more jarring for returning viewers or turning them off before the season drops

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    i've been stuck on step 4. price hikes chased me away, i haven't been back. i don't even know what's "new" anymore, and i don't care.

    i just watch the stuff i have locally, there's more new (to me) stuff on my disks than netflix has ever produced.

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  • [–] 25 points 4 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 22 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Bring back Kaos then you fucks

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  • [–] 20 points 4 months ago

    My experience with Netflix shows tends to go like this: I hear about a new show from people at work (or maybe here). I watch and enjoy season 1. I never hear about the show again until someone mentions that there sad it was cancelled after additional seasons I never heard about.

    Personally, I find it hard to watch things when I don't know they exist.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago

    That's usually all they make

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Netflix, where the medium of storytelling goes to die.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago

    It's a two step process I think:

    1, find a show you like on Netflix

    2, head to the high seas where the commercials don't exist

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Shows are lucky to last even one season on Netfucks, let alone two. Inside Job should NOT have been cancelled.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (8 children)

    Avatar has been pretty much a let down just like cowboy bebop. I really wanted it to be good, but they did this really strange with changing the characters personalities and corrupting the flow of the story.

    One piece has been good so far but I got the impression it might be pulling back on the main character.

    Edit just finished episode 2 of season 2 of the live action avatar. That was much better than I expected. My hope has been restored.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    The problem with One Piece is that it's huge, its so effing long that it's guaranteed to get ended at some point, it depends on how cleanly.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    Long anime series are treated a bit differently than North American live action productions. One Piece will most likely continue being made as long as there's manga to adapt. (Whether the mangaka will finish the story, drop it abruptly to do something else, or die of old age with it still incomplete is another question.) The only other thing that might kill it is if the studio making it folds, but as far as I know Toei is relatively healthy.

    At ~1170 episodes, One Piece isn't even close to being the longest-running anime series airing in Japan today. I don't think it's even in the top five.

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I wasn't predjudiced because I'd had zero exposure to any of þe original material, books or animated, so I was able to enjoy Cowboy Bebop and was sad it was cancelled.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    That's fair, I probably am being too harsh on it. I did want to see season 2 of it before I wrote it off entirely.

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago

    I read a lot of fans didn't like it, which I completely understand. It's just a good example of how expectations can shape enjoyment. I knew þe name but noþing else about þe story, and þought it was great: great acting, decent FX, interesting story; I was looking forward to seeing where it went.

    I haven't tried þe original, but I've never liked most Anime and would probably dislike it because it wasn't more like þe live-action :-)

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago

    They had a good run for a few years but id say in the last 5 years or longer...for seasons with several after about S3 they start to get sillier to the point of unbelievable. Id say now it has even started to happen around S2 recently.

    Secondly a lot of stuff is very...the samey and TBH boring, if something is good they try to repeat it over and over. Generally now i see the N sighn and i am like nah, its likely to be average.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    I would argue most tv show now only need to be 1 season long but they either pad them out so much it's insufferable OR create needless drama that i do not care about to keep the show going

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Netflix's slop has got so bad. I scrolled and scrolled yesterday across the platforms before checking them and realised they are so far down my list I might cancel them. When I did get there they had nothing of interest across the whole of what the oresent on their front page.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    I just realised what they have become. Years again when sky/cable existed there would be a channel that just showed average shows, or B movies. It’s the kinda thing your nana would watch. It was just churn churn of tat. It kept you occupied…but not entertained.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    Most story lines need to end in a single season.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    Also, they get new customers by advertising the hottest new show, not the seventh seasonest show.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    Make a good second season then?

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    I can't view the article, so I have a perfectly valid excuse for living my life like a Redditor -- making a comment based on the headline only.

    I don't know if I'm one of those netflix viewers who has abandoned shows after one season. I'm not even sure how I could know. Netflix is by far the worst of the major streaming platforms in terms of obscuring their library. Their user experience choices are so heavily focused on making sure everybody's watching the same 20 or 30 movies/shows that they tune literally everything else out. I'm not on Netflix 24/7 and I don't tend to keep up with showbiz news. I know lots of people rotate streaming services. It's very easy to see why folks would not be aware of additional seasons of a show being out.

    The other issues that stifle my interest in shows applies to other services as well. The modern era's long-ass gaps between seasons kills the inertia. Sure, I liked the season that came out 2 years ago, but I hardly remember it and I just don't have time to try and go back to catch up. Of course there are recaps, but those by nature leave stuff out. Most likely unless that first season was really damn good, I just won't bother.

    Even so, it seems like a lot of these shows peak in their first season, lose the plot in the second, and then by the fourth or fifth season you're essentially watching a headless male mantis clinging to life just long enough to finish the job. So, a lot of times if the first season isn't absolutely stellar, I end up putting the show on my abyss of a watch list, likely never to return.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    It’s kind of interesting you say this. When I go on my Netflix account, I see the same 20-30 things. Gets old and I can never find anything I want to watch. When I’m at my friends and open her Netflix, it’s like a completely different service. I see a ton of things that look interesting that I’ve never seen on my own account. It’s quite strange.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    I cancelled all my streaming subscriptions when they all started pulling price shenanigans.

    Now I either use Stremio, properly "Arrified", or sail the high seas with qbitorrent, which, by the way, has a very good search function not enabled by default, and which many people don't know about. (Google qbitorrent search jackett)

    To look for things I usually go to rotten tomatoes.

    Also, there are frequent posts here or on other sites where people post their favorite shows/movies, which are often great for discovering less known shows.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    Their new UI made it godawful to find anything. It's got to be one of the worst UI updates I've ever seen in a modern service.

    You can only see 4 things at once on my large screen TV. Then if you have the audacity to scroll down to see more, you're almost always greeted with one of the same ones in that group of 4. Then they throw games in there to just fuck up your attempt to find anything, and then because you watched one thing 10 years ago, it decides to still show you this category of show you don't like "because you watched xyz show".

    I hate it so much.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Absolutely, all of this. I cancelled Netflix, in part because it had become impossible to navigate, it's a junk box. You could be scrolling for hours looking for something inspiring you to watch it, nothing. Everything they make is bland, basic and sanitised, like what Disney did to family movies, it's torture to watch, so unengaging. (Plus all the evil, and price rises, so it was easy to leave).

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    I'm not sure if I am one who has abandoned a show after one season. I'm not even sure how I could know

    You can't remember what you watched?

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    No, and he’s not the only one. So much shit can happen in a season of a show and then you get season 2 over a year later when you’ve watched like 10-20 other shows and you can’t remember side characters, side plots, or even finales.

    As they said, many times the recaps leave a lot of stuff out that would actually be beneficial to a user. I wish I could recount an example, but I notice it as I watch the recap and sometimes it triggers a memory. I have these discussions with my wife who doesn’t remember what I do about some shows and vice versa.

    Edit: I recently experienced this with both Vox Machina and Invincible.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    The time between seasons is sometimes way too long, people move on eventually.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    i think that is normal? a season is supposed to be a good enough set of stories/episodes.

    is there supposed to be more to expect?

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    It's a 50% drop. So 1/2 people watched season 1 and decided season 2 wasn't worth it. So the problem is specifically that they're not good enough stories/episodes.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    Often a series wrap up good in a season and I feel done with it. Like last of us and fallout, I just know season 2 will be worse. Then other times season 1 just sucks and I'm not interested in another for that reason.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I would love for more one and done seasons. Wrap it all up. What’s annoying to me is you get 3 seasons into something and they run out of ideas.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago*

    Season 1, 8 Episodes of "mid quality but has potential and I'm invested". After this, there are 3 possibilities:

    • Show gets cancelled before season 2 because people weren't interested enough
    • Show gets cancelled after season 2 because people weren't interested enough (2 years later)
    • It's Stranger Things
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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    I don't have netflix but, I sometimes will use my parents or grandparents account if i'm visiting their house.

    I never got into netflix series mostly due to what has been said here already. There's no point of investment into a series with a company that has an ongoing reputation of cancelling shows even if they go well, and the ones that do get another season can have multi-year delays between it.

    It's the same issue that a lot of the lesser known Anime's have, They get greenlit for 1 or 2 seasons, and by the time they get greenlit for s3 all momentum for people wanting to watch it is dead.

    To me I would rather just wait and invest my time into something that is actually going to go somewhere, not get pitfalled into a cliffhanger and then never know what happens.

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