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[–] 274 points 4 months ago (32 children)

There is no taking. By having a child you automatically give to him a lifetime of support. That's your role as a parent. Children are not your slaves. If you don't want to accept that, don't have children.

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  • [–] 62 points 4 months ago (23 children)

    My opinion also, but in a slightly darker radical tone that I never share otherwise: bringing someone into this world of suffering is a misguided act of unconscious selfishness and whoever does so owes all available effort to reduce that suffering. In practice, no one is able to acquit themselves of this debt, which is why I hope I never have kids...

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    @NoSpotOfGround yeah simply put youre totally right. Sure, there's good in this world (if youre rich) but lets face it, life is mostly bad and we would all rather be having an eternal slumber instead. We are just here making the most of it because we have to. Say this in public IRL and youll be utterly crucified though. To me its just logic. If you have a kid either by accident or choice, I dont care. But dont make me feel like its required.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    But an overwhelming desire to protect your children from suffering will ultimately just lead to them suffering more.

    Anyway, the word for that feeling you have is "anti-natalism"--that it is unethical to bring children into the world because non-existence is preferable to likely misery.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

    which is why I hope I never have kids

    If you truly believe what you say, don’t just hope you don’t have kids. Either get fixed or don’t have sex.

    And I already put my money where my mouth is, I got fixed to ensure I will never get pregnant.

    Edit: Sorry if I come off rude in a comment like this. As the daughter of a man who didn’t want his kids and blamed my mom for getting pregnant, I get really frustrated when I see guys β€œhope” they don’t have kids or when guys whine about taking care of the kids they didn’t want. Don’t want kids? Get fixed or don’t have sex.

    The dude I replied to understood that and started the process. It’s sexy when guys take control of their fertility like that. More men should be like this guy.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

    You're totally right. I really should, and I will.

    EDIT: I actually started scheduling a vasectomy right now. I had wanted to do one before but things were a little more complicated then and it had slipped my mind in the meantime / did not seem as relevant. Now is a perfect time however.

    Thank you for getting me moving again.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    Honestly dude, good for you! And I promise I’m not being facetious here. I’m super happy you got motivated to get a vasectomy. I had my fallopian tubes removed a few years ago and it was a massive weight lifted off my shoulders to know I will never again be pregnant.

    I’m really fucking proud of you for taking that step!

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    Having your own kids is literally the most selfish thing you can do. You want to spread your genes.

    Now before you dogpile, understand this doesn't imply its morally wrong, or bad, or anything of they sort. But it is selfish.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    that just sounds like anti-natalism and those people kinda weird me out

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago

    Might not be selfless as such, and I'm not in any position to speak for women in general, but when that biological drive kicks in, it can do so pretty damn hard.

    That's still satisfying your own need, but perhaps more subconsciously so than people having children without thought or care.

    Me and my wife agreed on not having children when we were young, but we've never regretted the son we got after a pretty radical twist in our mid 20's. I could go on, but it's complicated.

    In today's world, if I were young again, I'd never even give it serious thought, though. Different times, although it doesn't feel that long ago.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    In all honesty, lots of people have children not even because they especially want to, but because they feel obligated to by their role in society. That's not a reason many people are likely to give, but it's not a selfish reason.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    having a child is a selfish action

    Are all selfish actions bad?

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Perhaps they do it because they care. How would you know what rationale everyone has?

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    They care about an ethereal being that has not yet even started to exist ?

    Couldn't they care about something before it comes into existence?

    so surely they must not care about something that doesn’t exist

    I don't understand how you arrive at this outcome that you cannot care about something that doesn't exist. Lower stakes example: gamers cared about GTA 6 before it came out. People care about future entries into game series that haven't even been thought up yet.

    People care about the concept of things that don't exist enough to make them want to exist.

    did they ask the future kid’s soul if it want to come into existence?

    If you believe in souls, and believe they exist before birth, then I'm curious about why you think it would be selfish to bring souls to experience the mortal plane of existence. Would it not be a function of a soul to be brought here?

    Cause before they conceive the child, the child doesn’t exist

    According to this thought experiment, their soul exists but they don't? They meaning their physical body? I guess that makes sense.

    But still: people can care about things that don't exist yet.

    Just in case it isn't clear: none of the above is said with any animosity, and I'm not talking down to you.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    There are plenty of reasons that aren't selfish. You can do it for humanity, for justice, for style points, for Narnia... If you want to logick those into being selfish, that's your own moral framework talking. Every action is a subjective choice from a subjective perspective in the end, but people can still have non-selfish intentions, however misguided you may judge them.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I think you're missing the point. Having a child for Narnia is not selfish, it is literally for the good of Narnia to have another strong Narnian. But you're operating under a moral framework where even the good of Narnia is ultimately good for the Narnian, therefore it is selfish to want Narnia to be strong.

    Do you have to agree with the idea of a strong Narnia? Of course not. But it's a very narrow way of thinking to explain every human motivation through selfishness.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago

    To give someone a chance to experience the pleasure of living.

    To contribute to the world an additional person of quality and integrity.

    You probably just haven't been asking very thoughtful or articulate people.

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  • [–] 58 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    My parents gave as much as they could. I never thought it was enough when I was a kid. Now that I'm in my forties, I know just how much that was.

    I come from work tired as fuck and I know my old man was the same way, but he still found time to take me to the playground and then taught me math and English every night. My mom did the exact same but there was always a lunch and a dinner cooked for my ungrateful ass.

    Through it all, they always loved me and said they were proud of me.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Well I hate you with a bitter jealousy and so very many of the empty places in my heart. Whoever you are.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    "From hell's heart, I stab at thee. For hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee..."

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  • Okay so my search wasn't working, but here's the full portion:

    I turn my body from the sun. What ho, Tashtego! Let me hear thy hammer. Oh! ye three unsurrendered spires of mine; thou uncracked keel; and only god-bullied hull; thou firm deck, and Pole-pointed prow,β€”death-glorious ship! must he then perish, and without me? Am I cut off from the last fond pride of meanest shipwrecked captains? Oh, lonely death on lonely life! Oh, now I feel my topmost greatness lies in my topmost grief. Ho, ho! from all your furthest bounds, pour ye now in, ye bold billows of my whole foregone life, and top this one piled comber of my death! Towards thee I roll, thou all-destroying but unconquering whale; to the last I grapple with thee; from hellcs heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee. Sink all coffins and all hearses to one common pool! And since neither can be mine, let me then tow to pieces, while still chasing thee, though tied to thee, thou damned whale! Thus, I give up the spear!

    There's a lot of archaic language and nautical terminology there, but its much more about grief and abandon and madness, it shows a weakness, a frenzied hopeless death drive as much or more than the determination and strength implied by the shorter quote the space-nazi shouts.

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  • [–] 53 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    When ya comin' home son?

    I don't know when, but we'll get together then.

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  • [–] 29 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    You know we'll have a good time then. πŸ₯²

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  • [–] 105 points 4 months ago* (19 children)

    You can't play football, it's too dangerous!

    You can't take a martial arts class, it's dangerous and too expensive!

    You can't get a drum kit, it's too loud and too expensive!

    You can't have guitar lessons, it's too expensive and too loud!

    Never leave this neighborhood it's too dangerous!

    15 years later

    Why do you sit inside all day!?! Get a hobby!

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Boomers and Gen X were heavily conditioned by the wave of crimes and news of serial killers. So it's understandable why they have been overprotective.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago* (16 children)

    You can’t play football, it’s too dangerous!

    Okay, but totally unironically, though. Full contact sports are terrible for kids.

    Why do you sit inside all day!?! Get a hobby!

    I might suggest that the biggest reason I sit inside all day is that it's fucking 95Β° with 60% humidity. But also, screens are hypnotizing, especially for little kids. My son would absolutely lock in on Ms Racheal or Bluey for hours a day if I let him. But he also loves to kick his soccer ball and dunk his basketball in his little stand when the TV isn't on. And I'm fine with that, because he's not plowing face first into a kid twice his size. Or trying to back kick one of his friends across the room.

    Also, I've never needed to buy my son a drum kit because everything is a drum kit to that kid. We can talk about a kit when he gets to middle school and shows he's got the desire to practice, maintain the equipment, and not break anything when he loses his temper.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

    While full contact sports (and the associated CTE) are dangerous, there's alternative combat sports that avoid it, like wrestling, judo, and jiu jitsu. Mainly grappling.

    That being said, competitive olympic wresting is pretty toxic regarding weight and diet. Lots of extreme dieting to get in the wanted weight range for tournaments, which is terrible for teenagers. Plus, jiu jitsu is the dude-bro sport right now, so might want to avoid that too.

    Mainly what I'm getting at is that judo is good if you think your kid might be into it

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    there’s alternative combat sports that avoid it, like wrestling, judo, and jiu jitsu.

    There's definitely alternatives to full-contact football that are lower-impact, especially wrt to the head. But I've got a friend who runs a jiu-jitsu gym and he's constantly got wraps on something. Fingers are really common. Knees are bad, too. He nearly dislocated his shoulder after a bad throw. One of his friends managed to brain herself in the middle of a throw when she bounced her head off her partner's hipbone and had to be treated for a concussion.

    My sister and I did taekwondo as kids. Other than the occasional sparing (lots of pads, relatively light contact), it was all about flexibility and learning the forms. You still get injured overextending or balancing wrong. But it's comparatively far better for kids than actual combat sports.

    Like, if you're old enough to make your own decisions, more power to you. But if you're coming off Ninja Turtles as a 12-year-old, hell no. The combat sports are a recipe for getting wrecked.

    judo is good if you think your kid might be into it

    Of the three, it's probably the best. I would still stick my kid in a karate-themed exercise class, if it came to that.

    These can also get hella expensive, depending on who you're training with and where. I can definitely understand a parent not being able to afford private lessons, much less the time to commute with practice. And the kid - not understanding the economic reality - deciding their parent is just being mean, or overprotective, or small-minded.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    Full contact sports should be adapted to children to have no full contact. If it's not the case, the teachers are morons, dangerous and probably criminals, and you should obviously not leave your kids there.
    In fact, regarding full contact combat sports, even for adults training does not involve full contact to the head in most cases, only competitions and examinations may. There's a lot of choice of schools and rulesets, so adults can choose whatever level of contact they are comfortable with.

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago (12 children)

    Oh no! My child might get hurt playing a game! Little Jhonnythan is far too valuable to be put in harms way no matter how much he'll develop emotionally and intelligently by playing . I'm an amazing parent!

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Football specifically is bad. Especially with helmets.

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  • [–] -4 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    How is that more specifically bad vs any other sport with contact built into it, like baseball, basketball, hockey, soccer, lacrosse, rugby... Even more individual sports have incidents like curling and tennis.

    Maybe your soft child might be good at golf? But they could strain leg muscles, pull a hip, should injuries are common among golfers...

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (8 children)

    My child might get hurt playing a game!

    It's not a game when the goal is to injure the other players. It's functionally a combat sport.

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  • [–] -2 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    I've played sports my whole life. Never has there ever been a sport where the goal is to "injure the other player".

    Your ignorance is showing. I've accidentally hurt others, and others have unintentionally hurt me. Shit happens. I've torn a muscle in my shoulder from a bad hit in hockey. I've also severely sprained my ankle walking to my driveway. If you want to bubble wrap your kids and protect them from all the harm in the world, enjoy raising a completely incompetent leech on society that is dependant on you their whole life.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    I've played sports my whole life. Never has there ever been a sport where the goal is to "injure the other player".

    Boxing. MMA. In both of those, concussing knocking out your opponent is a win

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  • [–] -5 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Those aren't team sports.

    American reading comprehension is really at a historic low isn't it.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    At no point in your previous comment did you say the word "team".

    You really put your foot in your mouth with that one.

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  • [–] 39 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I think the Raised By Narcissists group needs more activity. This was my childhood fer shurr.

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  • [–] 59 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    She never got over him stealing Blobby

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  • [–] 27 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    "Children in Africa are dying, doesn't this make you more grateful?" -No...

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    "Children in Africa are dying" is largely the product of the scam charities that would try to profit off endless advertisement reels of impoverishment abroad. Once Americans got so jaded, racist, and broke that sad African children wasn't a cash cow anymore, we moved on to bombarding you with ads for dick pills, inflatable mattresses, and sports gambling.

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    "Do you want me to give you something to cry about?"

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  • [–] 48 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    It's not like I asked to be born, jeez. That's like deciding to get a dog and then be surprised that it actually takes work to care of it.

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  • [–] 22 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    Both of my grandfathers were horrible, and then largely absent. When each of them died, I managed a shrug and a mild bit of interest in learning more about them from their obituaries than they had ever shared with me over my entire life. My parents both show signs of generational trauma. They did their best with me, and I give them each passing grades, somewhat elevated by the fact that they got divorced when I don't remember, rather than sticking it out in a malfunctional marriage and no doubt allowing me to get caught in the crossfire. Even for all of that, I recognize in myself some of the echoes of what was done to them. I've done therapy and I've resolved to make sure my kid knows that, even if we sometimes argue or have to tell her things she doesn't want to hear, that no matter what we'll always love and cherish her.

    Try to live your life in such a way that, when you die, the people you leave behind can manage more of an emotional reaction than a shrug and moving on with their day.

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  • [–] 32 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    Cut toxic people out of your life. No matter who it is. Period.

    Simple best rule for a happier life.

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    OK but what if you're 6 and the toxic people are your parents?

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Go into the world, learn a trade and make a man out of yourself. There's no rule that says a steel worker, a deep sea welder or an HVAC repairman can't be six. /s

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Don't let being six years old stop you from pulling yourself up by your bootstraps.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    Hell, get a gym membership, work on your body and get on the dating apps. Be serious and straightforward with the women you meet. Show them the kindness and empathy your toxic parents didn't show you. Maybe you'll meet the right woman and together you can build a future. There's no rule that says a six year old can't start a family

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago*

    Then you also haven't read this and just have to survive it. I know that kids see those things as "normal", even the worst kinds of abuse. As they usually lack diversified knowledge of alternatives or came to conclusion how they want to be treated.

    For those my advice is worth less than nothing. It was more aimed at people who can read and COULD do that. I know many can't or don't dare to. Or not without help.

    It's part of what I voluntarily work in. A shelter-kind of people damaged or broken by other disgusting examples of this species. It's the best one could do. Cut ties, start new. Or just cut ties.

    Even if its parents. Or especially if they are the toxic ones. If you're 6, others should take you out of there.

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  • [–] 45 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    For anyone confused and making "parenting is hard and parents do their best" apologetics in the comments, this comic portrays long term, systematic child abuse and survivors recognize it immediately. If a parent's "best" involves abuse of any kind, it simply isn't good enough, and no victim owes their abuser a single thing.

    For any fellow survivors, I see you and it's not your fault. They made choices when they raised you in a climate of terror, abuse, blame, and cruelty, you had no choice. Leave them to the natural consequences of their choices, your one wild life is your own, don't let them take any more of it than they already have.

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