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[–] 62 points 4 months ago (23 children)

My opinion also, but in a slightly darker radical tone that I never share otherwise: bringing someone into this world of suffering is a misguided act of unconscious selfishness and whoever does so owes all available effort to reduce that suffering. In practice, no one is able to acquit themselves of this debt, which is why I hope I never have kids...

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    @NoSpotOfGround yeah simply put youre totally right. Sure, there's good in this world (if youre rich) but lets face it, life is mostly bad and we would all rather be having an eternal slumber instead. We are just here making the most of it because we have to. Say this in public IRL and youll be utterly crucified though. To me its just logic. If you have a kid either by accident or choice, I dont care. But dont make me feel like its required.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    But an overwhelming desire to protect your children from suffering will ultimately just lead to them suffering more.

    Anyway, the word for that feeling you have is "anti-natalism"--that it is unethical to bring children into the world because non-existence is preferable to likely misery.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

    which is why I hope I never have kids

    If you truly believe what you say, don’t just hope you don’t have kids. Either get fixed or don’t have sex.

    And I already put my money where my mouth is, I got fixed to ensure I will never get pregnant.

    Edit: Sorry if I come off rude in a comment like this. As the daughter of a man who didn’t want his kids and blamed my mom for getting pregnant, I get really frustrated when I see guys “hope” they don’t have kids or when guys whine about taking care of the kids they didn’t want. Don’t want kids? Get fixed or don’t have sex.

    The dude I replied to understood that and started the process. It’s sexy when guys take control of their fertility like that. More men should be like this guy.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

    You're totally right. I really should, and I will.

    EDIT: I actually started scheduling a vasectomy right now. I had wanted to do one before but things were a little more complicated then and it had slipped my mind in the meantime / did not seem as relevant. Now is a perfect time however.

    Thank you for getting me moving again.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    Honestly dude, good for you! And I promise I’m not being facetious here. I’m super happy you got motivated to get a vasectomy. I had my fallopian tubes removed a few years ago and it was a massive weight lifted off my shoulders to know I will never again be pregnant.

    I’m really fucking proud of you for taking that step!

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    Having your own kids is literally the most selfish thing you can do. You want to spread your genes.

    Now before you dogpile, understand this doesn't imply its morally wrong, or bad, or anything of they sort. But it is selfish.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    that just sounds like anti-natalism and those people kinda weird me out

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago

    Might not be selfless as such, and I'm not in any position to speak for women in general, but when that biological drive kicks in, it can do so pretty damn hard.

    That's still satisfying your own need, but perhaps more subconsciously so than people having children without thought or care.

    Me and my wife agreed on not having children when we were young, but we've never regretted the son we got after a pretty radical twist in our mid 20's. I could go on, but it's complicated.

    In today's world, if I were young again, I'd never even give it serious thought, though. Different times, although it doesn't feel that long ago.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    In all honesty, lots of people have children not even because they especially want to, but because they feel obligated to by their role in society. That's not a reason many people are likely to give, but it's not a selfish reason.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    having a child is a selfish action

    Are all selfish actions bad?

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Perhaps they do it because they care. How would you know what rationale everyone has?

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    They care about an ethereal being that has not yet even started to exist ?

    Couldn't they care about something before it comes into existence?

    so surely they must not care about something that doesn’t exist

    I don't understand how you arrive at this outcome that you cannot care about something that doesn't exist. Lower stakes example: gamers cared about GTA 6 before it came out. People care about future entries into game series that haven't even been thought up yet.

    People care about the concept of things that don't exist enough to make them want to exist.

    did they ask the future kid’s soul if it want to come into existence?

    If you believe in souls, and believe they exist before birth, then I'm curious about why you think it would be selfish to bring souls to experience the mortal plane of existence. Would it not be a function of a soul to be brought here?

    Cause before they conceive the child, the child doesn’t exist

    According to this thought experiment, their soul exists but they don't? They meaning their physical body? I guess that makes sense.

    But still: people can care about things that don't exist yet.

    Just in case it isn't clear: none of the above is said with any animosity, and I'm not talking down to you.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    There are plenty of reasons that aren't selfish. You can do it for humanity, for justice, for style points, for Narnia... If you want to logick those into being selfish, that's your own moral framework talking. Every action is a subjective choice from a subjective perspective in the end, but people can still have non-selfish intentions, however misguided you may judge them.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I think you're missing the point. Having a child for Narnia is not selfish, it is literally for the good of Narnia to have another strong Narnian. But you're operating under a moral framework where even the good of Narnia is ultimately good for the Narnian, therefore it is selfish to want Narnia to be strong.

    Do you have to agree with the idea of a strong Narnia? Of course not. But it's a very narrow way of thinking to explain every human motivation through selfishness.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago

    To give someone a chance to experience the pleasure of living.

    To contribute to the world an additional person of quality and integrity.

    You probably just haven't been asking very thoughtful or articulate people.

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