I haven't been watching much in terms of actual shows for a good while, then while listening to a podcast a host casually mentioned they had rewatched Chernobyl, how it still holds up, that there's a reason it got as much acclaim as it did, etc. So I thought I'd give it a go and wow, loved it (still one episode left to watch).

Had me thinking, what else have I missed out on? What are some "absolute cinema" TV shows that still hold up and and are considered must watch?

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[–] 138 points 4 months ago (13 children)

I'm really surprised The Expanse didn't get more of a mention here. Great scify series, and I don't like series in general.
Its closer to hard sci fy than prob anything else, it has pretty realistic politics of exploitation, rebellion and inyterdependace in the near (few hundred years) colonisation of the solar system. There's some gritty pewpewpew in space, balanced out by some space opera, with spectacular characters that have more depth than most and a story arch thats likely to make you binge it.

As an added bonus the series is 6 out of 9 (/10) books it is based on. There are some notable differences by the end but still you can... expand beyond what the series shows.

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  • [–] 31 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    What resonated me the most in The Expanse is how tribalistic humans still are. Our lizard brain is having a hard time evolving with human development.

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago

    I watched the show and then within the last year listened to the audiobooks. In book 4? I think? Amos is talking to Peaches about how humans are tribal, and their tribes expand when times are good but shrink when times are bad. And yeah, it was kind of a mind-blown moment for me because I’d never thought of it that way before.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Still hoping they bring the show back for the last 3 books. They were my favorite of the series

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Considering the last 3 are like 30 years after, the actors all would be fine and could reprise their roles. It would work out great

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  • [–] 19 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    It's biggest problem was the arguably not so good first season I think. Also the ending is kinda eh.

    Other than that, it's my favorite series since TNG. I absolutely loved it and I pity the people that couldn't see past the first season

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago* (3 children)

    It’s biggest problem was the arguably not so good first season I think.

    I thought the 1st season of The Expanse was good, but the 2nd season was so bad that I stopped watching in middle of episode 2. The difference was pretty stark, almost as bad as the difference between the great season 1 of Spooks/MI-5 vs its god-awful season 2.

    I'd recommend the first 2 seasons of Okkupert, and Firefly.

    While I think Chernobyl is a great fiction series, there's a huge amount of completely unnecessary lies in it, including the intro and outro about lies.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I couldn't disagree with you more. Especially when you mention Firefly, which in my opinion was a mediocre slog that only got attention because it was cancelled.

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  • [–] 96 points 4 months ago (11 children)

    I always plug Scavenger's Reign. It's a a sci fi survival show about a set of people who get stranded on an alien planet animated kind of like a graphic novel. The creators used a bunch of nature documentaries as inspiration to create a truly alien and interdependent ecosystem, but the theme tells you everything you need to know about the tone.

    Also, animated sci fi comedy, The Venture Bros

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  • [–] 42 points 4 months ago* (4 children)

    The creator behind Scavenger's Reign, Joe Bennett, has animated for the FXX series Cake, and he also created Adult Swim's Common Side Effects, as well as soon to be on Netflix Dealies which is based on one of his Cake shorts.

    Everything he does is excellent, even his illustrations for Joe Pera's bathroom book "A Bathroom Book for People Not Pooping or Peeing but Using the Bathroom as an Escape" are wonderful.

    Also the artistic inspiration for Scavenger's Reign is french graphic novelist Jean Henri Gaston Giraud, also known as Mœbius, if you're looking for similar artwork.

    /infodump

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago

    Amazing info. I loved scavengers reign and just started common side effects, but haven't put the names together as the same creator. Both are mind bending shows, so more from the same creator is a great get.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

    I’d add Pantheon to this list for amazing sci-fi adult animation. I loved both Scavenger’s Reign and Common Side Effects.

    I know that Common Side Effects is getting a second season. I really wish Scavenger's Reign would get another season. That show is amazing.

    Edit: Also, not a tv show, but the animated French film Arco was lovely. Beautiful hand drawn animation, set in the far future, and not just another dystopian story. Will also mention another animated French film Mars Express was pretty cool.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    The best show I could only get through one episode of. It was just a bit too gruesome horror for me, but if you have the stomach for it, my single-episode impression was that it's an excellent work.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Great show and themes but the ending fell flat for me. I’m not going to spoil anything but they had a major missed opportunity in creating better character arcs and tying everything together. It also felt more like the characters were only trying to reach a goal (not spoiling) the whole time instead of spending more time appreciating the planet and the journey.

    It wasn’t an amazing show but it was definitely good if you’re into sci-fi, survival, and animation.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    It also felt more like the characters were only trying to reach a goal (not spoiling) the whole time instead of spending more time appreciating the planet and the journey.

    Their focus on the destination and not the journey was a plot point for some of the characters.

    I thought the ending fell a bit flat as it felt to me like it was kinda vague in case they decided to continue. It made sense, and worked, but didn't feel like an ending.

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  • [–] 74 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (10 children)

    Here's a short selection of series that really stood out for me over the past few years.

    All are there for different reasons, but they were all quite amazing IMHO. (also, I've included spoiler-free summaries 😉)

    Devs
    A software engineer investigates the secretive quantum computing division of her cutting-edge tech company after her boyfriend goes missing.
    This felt like some of the best early Black Mirror episodes, stretched out over the length of a well-paced short TV series. In a way, it's also similar to Severance, in the best of ways.

    Our Flag Means Death
    An 18th-century aristocrat abandons his life of luxury to become a pirate.
    Funny, touching, extremely intelligent... if you like the work of Taika Waititi and his friends (What we do in the Shadows), this is a must-watch.

    Scavengers Reign
    When a deep-space freighter crashes on a beautiful but profoundly perilous alien planet, the scattered surviving crew must navigate a surreal, violently interconnected ecosystem in a desperate bid for rescue.
    The best Sci-Fi series I've ever seen. This may be the first tv series I've seen that actually translates the vibe of some of the best Sci-Fi/space-opera writing I've read.

    Killing Eve
    A bored MI5 security officer and a glamorous, unpredictable assassin become locked in a deadly, globe-trotting game of cat-and-mouse.
    Amazing actresses playing terrible people. It is so we'll made I think everyone needs to watch this one.

    Utopia (UK)
    A group of online forum members unearths a bizarre graphic novel rumored to predict global disasters, suddenly finding themselves hunted by a ruthless, shadowy organization.
    This show is SO unique. The way it looks, the vibe, the story... everything hits SO hard! Just the intro sequence had me HOOKED! (Note: it was never finished; but it does have a pretty good ending regardless).

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    NOTE: only the UK version, not the American one, trust me. It's **brilliant __ ** but prepared to be very disappointed it didn't get another season.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    Scavengers Reign

    I liked the character writing, and I liked many of the scifi parts, but i was missing the "hard scifi" that the plot should revolve around in a scifi story. i.e. the futuristic stuff doesn't affect the story much and the character arcs would have worked just as well in 17th century exploration story. Compare that to hard scifi like "the expanse" or "westworld", where many parts of the story can only work because of the specific way the world works.

    if you prefer soft scifi over hard sci, than Scavengers Reign is a strong recommendation.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    Sci-Fi is an extremely broad genre, and I was mostly trying to keep things vague and spoiler-free; but

    spoilerthis series did two main things that I've never seen at this level: creating a real sense of someplace "alien", something that is so far from human comprehension that the characters AND the viewer are both totally at a loss; and I adored the way it recreated the visual style of classic Sci-Fi visual artists (mostly Bande Dessinée, including the likes of Moebius, Jodorowski, and the Métal Hurlant crowd).

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    quote from spoilera real sense of someplace “alien"

    Yes. so much this!

    spoilerToo often the aliens just feel like green humans, and the worlds are just "earth but only the deserts" or "earth, but more water". I guess that's because it won't sell well if the audience can't relate enough with the world and its inhabitants. But still...

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  • [–] 67 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (12 children)

    I loved Mr Robot

    Edit- I’d also throw in Fargo. The season with Chris Rock and Jason Schwartzman was weak but the rest are great (Especially seasons 2 & 5)

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Second this. It’s my fav show

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Isn't it just like

    spoilera very long version of fight club?

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Meh, not really, there are references to it and

    spoilerending capitalism is not reserved to fight club

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    Tap for spoilerElliot was ultimately motivated by a desire to protect himself and those he cared about. I never got that impression from Tyler; he was more interested in seeing humanity evolve and sculpting the concept of masculine.

    Mr. Robot himself did not arise out of insomnia.
    There is no violent therapy group for men in Mr. Robot; the themes around masculinity are absent.
    fsociety doesn't really franchise, not like Project Mayhem.
    Tyler was an amateur chemist; Elliot is a master hacker.
    There is very little social engineering, and IIRC zero hacking in Fight Club.

    That being said, of course there are similarities. Maxence Cyrin's cover of Where Is My Mind? is an obvious callback; Darlene is kinda like Marla, if one squints; the targeting of capitalism and debt; Project Mayhem comes into possession of some police.
    But do they own the FBI or the largest conglomerate?
    Where is White Rose or Phillip Price in Fight Club?

    Among other things the power plays are larger in Mr. Robot: organized crime the size of nations, corrupt federal agencies, corporations too big to fail. Fight Club was published and directed before 9/11, the Arab Spring, the subprime mortgage crisis and more, and it shows.

    I love both. But Mr. Robot feels like the grown-up, fleshed-out cousin that followed certain concepts through to their logical conclusions. Are they alike? Of course, no doubt. But I wouldn't say they are so similar that if you've seen one, you've seen the other. They are distinct and unique. The more closely one analyzes them, the more one finds that the similarities are superficial.

    Or so it seems to me.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    They definitely scratch a similar itch.

    spoilerI definitely like the approach to multiple personalities in Mr Robot more. A fracture due to emotional trauma is much more believable than someone developing an alter ego out of boredom.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Another show that I was into until the big reveal at the end of season 1 and lost all interest. And I'm definitely in the minority.

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  • [–] 60 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    Ted Lasso. Surface level it's a "fish out of water" story of an American College Football coach going to England to coach Professional Football (soccer). In actuality it's a show about loss, growth, relationships, and packs more emotions than you'll know what to do with. I know a lot of people gush about it, but I'm not being hyperbolic when I say that it might be the most perfect show I've ever watched.

    Similarly, Schitt's Creek. A lot of similar themes, also a nearly perfect show. I will say that it took me a little bit to get past the first couple of episodes because it seemed like all of the characters were kinda awful, but that's really setting things up for character growth.

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Heard nothing but good things about Ted Lasso as well so I think this one is now on my list, thanks!

    Schitt's Creek I think I tried to watch way back but don't think I even got through the first episode for the reason you just said, couldn't stand the characters.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Third season of Ted Lasso gets to be pretty saccharine and certain plots are rushed, but by then the characters have built up so much goodwill that you’re willing to ride it out.

    Also, if you find him immediately grating, give Ted himself about three episodes at the very beginning to turn into an actual human. It’s worth it.

    We will see if the upcoming season four can recapture any of the magic.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago*

    Seconding cowfodder's comment, if you can manage to tolerate the Rose family at the beginning of Schitt's Creek, seeing the character growth is so very worth it, in my opinion. YMMV of course, but I'd encourage giving it another shot.

    Ted Lasso also has some great character redemption arcs. Though in this case the main character (Ted) is immediately likeable, which I think makes for an easier start in comparison. And in case "immediately likeable" infers thoughts of him being a simple or shallow charter, he is not.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Ted lasso was good but I will caveat it- as someone who likes football and that angle the series strayed very far from being about football and went heavy into emotions, etc. Notably season 2 and on.

    Schitts is amazing though start to finish.

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  • [–] 52 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Nobody seems to have watched it, but "Counterpart". It's a mind fuck Science Fiction show. Only 20 episodes, so manageable.

    It was cancelled, but the writers knew beforehand and wrote an absolute perfect conclusion for the last episodes.

    Also it's best to go in blind. There are events predicted in the show that later happened for real (I don't want to spoil it), and it's fun to think "oh that is how and why it happened"!

    Also J.K. Simmons. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterpart_(TV_series)

    I can't recommend this show enough.

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  • [–] 19 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Widow's Bay is a recent horror comedy series starring Matthew Rhys & Stephen Root that'll be getting a second season. I consume all media and I highly recommend this gem, especially for the person who's seen everything in these comments. It has excellent, subtle comedy, ramping lore-building in the vein of the best years of LOST, and the story of the week combined with overarching season arc structure of classics like X-Files.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I expect the actors loved doing this show, most of them get to perform two versions of the same character. They all knock it out of the park.

    Terrific show.

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  • [–] 148 points 4 months ago (15 children)

    Speaking of Chernobyl, watch Andor next (lots of the same actors). Go in ignoring the fact it has anything to do with Star Wars and you'll have a great time. It's peak television.

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  • [–] [S] 40 points 4 months ago (11 children)

    I love me some Sci-Fi but yeah, the fact that it's Star Wars had me ignoring this one despite all the amazing reviews and hype. Is Andor still enjoyable without having seen anything but the first six movies and the first two of the sequels? I know it's closely linked with Rogue One and I didn't watch that either. Still recommendable with that little knowledge of the current expanded universe?

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  • [–] 22 points 4 months ago

    I think the only thing you need to know is the Empire are fascists and baddies. They make that pretty clear even if you don't know that. Imagine a political spy thriller made by someone who doesn't care about Star Wars lore, because that's what it is.

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  • [–] 39 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I went in having only seen those movies too, you really don’t even need that much familiarity to enjoy this. Don’t sleep on it, it’s quite good.

    I watched Rogue One after I finished Andor and I was pretty disappointed, it’s an alright movie I guess but a huge downgrade from the show IMO.

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  • [–] 18 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    If you’re into sci-fi, I hope you’ve seen Babylon 5. The political storylines have never felt more relevant.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    Babylon 5 is excellent. The special effects are still pretty decent decades later, but apparently you need to find the right version, because they tried to upscale some of it for HD at one point and completely messed up the effects scenes.

    The actors do an amazing job though, and the fact that it's a cohesive story that was slowly played out over multiple seasons is so rare.

    If you know of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, it was a Babylon 5 ripoff. The creator of Babylon 5, J. Michael Straczynski went to Paramount with his idea and they rejected it. He went to PTEN / Warner Brothers and they made it. DS9 launched just a month before Babylon 5 came out. But, "coincidentally" it took place on a space station next to a wormhole, involved a leader who became a religious figure against their will / knowledge, there's a fiesty female second officer, an idealistic doctor, a hard-boiled security chief... basically too many things to be coincidental.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago

    Oh yeah that's more than enough. If anything all you need is A New Hope, but as long as you know the Empire are the bad guys the story is pretty self-contained.

    Rogue One takes place immediately after, so watch it next if you like.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I might be wrong, but I'd estimate there are roughly zero mentions of light sabres, force, Jedi etc in Andor.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago*

    You’re only slightly off, and the point is well taken that it’s far from the point of the show.

    Tap for spoilerSpecifically, there’s the mildly force-sensitive medic on Yavin who gets Bix to believe in something bigger. I think there’s also a few other offhand references.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    just a heads up to anyone watching andor. the first two episodes are... wait until episode 3 to judge if you like the show or not

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Ok, thanks for saying that. I literally gave up after ep.2 as the whole thing was boring. I tried several times watching it - fell asleep, literally

    but i’ll give it another go - thanks

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    im no expert, i just finished ep. 3 yesterday. me and my partner agreed that they should have rolled the first 3 episodes into one 90 inute episode, because the first two do t have any kind of story to them, just setup

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  • [–] 82 points 4 months ago (14 children)

    DARK on Netflix.

    It's not for everybody but I loved every second of it. In summary (without spoilers):

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  • [–] 19 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    I tried watching it on two occasions, but I felt like I needed a spreadsheet in hand to keep track of things.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago

    I literally had a sheet of paper with me that I'd update as things were revealed, showing the relationships between people. It ended up looking like a conspiracy board. And for some people that probably sounds like homework, but for me it felt like I was exploring a ruin or something and was making a map of my discoveries. It made me more of a participant in the show, like I was actively watching for clues, rather than passively letting it wash over me.

    It worked for me at the time.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    Seriously. There are multiple times where just showing someone's face is a big reveal, but you're expected to keep track of multiple versions / ages of various people AND their family connection and I just could not keep up with remembering who was who. Everyone looks like the same so that doesn't help.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    How bad are we talking? Is it like kid abuse stuff? If so it's a pass.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago*

    It got one part where a kid is dead, then there's another part where a kid is about to be raped(unsuccessful, but still incredibly hard to watch), but overall it's just a really small part of it. It's a mindbending story that in some way really hard to wrap your head around.

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