This really depends on scale. If you look at all accounts and activity online, there probably is enough bots to outnumber people.
Personally, I don't interact with THE WHOLE INTERNET. I interact with people I know, and Lemmy, which feels more human than other platforms, so I'm confident that most of my online interactions are with actual humans.
The issue I take with it isnt the "bots are everywhere" or these days even the "bots are most traffic bits", its the "the internet has been abandoned by humans" bit. admittedly this is anecdotal, but I dont really know anyone that doesnt use the internet, and if it were really true that humans largely have left it behind, things like social media wouldnt be such a big concern, vans for online shopping services like amazon wouldnt be everywhere, etc. What I think has happened is that just about as much real human traffic exists as ever, and weve added an even bigger volume of bots on top of that, which isnt a dead internet per se, its one that is being overwhelmed with noise.
the corporate internet is dead. there are still places where people still exist, still creating things. you just need to know where to look
I'm not a bot and I don't believe you are one. OTOH, AI bots sure are polluting the internet, but I haven't interacted with one except for the annoying merge requests on GitHub.
This is Lemmy. We don't have followers. Just stalkers.
Maybe not the whole internet, but it's been proven that anybody with enough money can pay for a whole bunch of fake profiles powered by bot farms to sway the discussion and online perception in their favor.
Its true, and its more true everyday.
More and more traffic is servers or bots or LLMs, talking to eachother.
We're the minority now, us humans, talking to other humans.
https://cybersecuritynews.com/bots-surpass-humans-in-web-traffic/
Like the dinosaur... You had your time.
This future is our world. The future is our time.
Perhaps social media is dead, but the internet itself is still alive and well. The internet is not just social media, it is a global network that does more than just post memes and shitpost.
I think that a lot of it is a result of forms of interaction that are easy to falsify and which real people are not expected to exercise judgment on. Fake likes, views, and upvotes involve little that can be scrutinized at the user level and are mainly a negotiation between spammers and a social media company. Those companies favor organizing their sites around these sorts of shallow metrics, and selling a passive experience that confers or requires next to no social agency, because they want to be able to treat the people using their services as commodities they own.
These problems would be greatly diminished with social networks that are actually social.
Bullshit.
Social media <> the internet.
Not ten minutes ago I followed a link to Reddit, researching something from Lemmy.
The Reddit post had 57 replies. I started scrolling down but did not find any legitimate replies. It was all ad-bots
Just saw a report on my feed here that said something like 80 60% of TikTok is AI crap and over 20% of Facebook is. So that means that sites like Threads, Instagram, X, or any other social media is going to have a large percentage of bots, AI and real trolls, and corporate shills over and above those numbers.
On top of the unaffiliated trolls and shit-stirrers already out there.
So it’s well on the way to happening.
Edit: it was 60%
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I think there are dead networks, like Twitter, YouTube comment sections, facebook, TikTok etc.
I just have to create my own networks or participate in different networks than the mainstream where there is sufficient human activity and limited bot activity, and wherw there is bot activity it is clearly delineated.
How much is from sites that all but abandoned anyway? Like digg or yahoo-answers. How's gameFAQs these days?
My biggest issue with the ‘dead Internet theory’ is that the Internet is not the World Wide Web. The Internet is the physical network, the Web is one of many software platforms that use the Internet. The Internet isn’t going anywhere, it’s the Web that is dying and really just parts of it. Whether we move our favorite parts over to whatever comes next or the Web can be salvaged remains to be seen.
Probably. We have daily brainwashing on all platforms, and it's on Lemmy too.
They all try to make the user sit and circle jerk over something, wasting their life energy.
When you get old and you have spend your days playing games or being on social media, you will feel it was a very empty life. Meaning is found when taking to other people in real life, having fun together. But everyone seems to rather sit on their phones or being plugged into music than to talk to strangers and live your life in the real world.
I believe in live internet theory. Bots are rare and relatively easy to detect, nearly every account I interact with online is a real person.
People just use the bot thing as a way of explaining away contrary views. I don't need that explanation, because I have this crazy idea that actual human beings can believe different things and even be wrong.
It's about on a par with the "birds aren't real" theory.
0100110, ehrm, I mean, that's just fearmongering. Hey do you have some coolant on you?
I mean, thats kinda what happened with reddit and youtube, yeah?
google becoming evil and enshittified made the internet feel much deader
The majority of bot traffic that outnumbers people are just various crawlers and scrapers that never interact with real people beyond what can be done with a single button as it does its shit. If it ever starts to be the majority of the content itself, too, that's when the internet would actually be dead.
It's kind of a hard call to really call the internet entirely dead. It just feels dead and there are portions of where people once were, that is dead. If you're looking for honest engagement in places where bots are, then you'll believe the internet is dead.
It's more of an attitude than a theory. We do have metrics that say bot activity now represents about 60% of internet traffic, recently surpassing human activity. That's a majority, but the whole internet processes around 150 million requests per second, so 60 million of that is humans. Per second. Objectively I wouldn't call that "dead" by any means.
Becoming more plausible every day.
Yes and no. it depends.
Perhaps I'm wasting my time... but whatever.
If we count non-human traffic then automation/bots were always dominant. Servers check each other's availability all the time. Scrapper bots existed way before dead internet theory and many services online were just a bot polling some servers repeatedly just to show you collected and processed data. Nothing new.
If we count only bots that pretend to be human then this is more of a modern issue. And it's a source of sudden growth of interest in invigilation among political elites. After all most of internet-based economy is built on assumption that sites can show advertisements to humans. And often are paid per showing. If those views turned out to be just bots, nobody would want to pay for them. That would pretty much be another financial bubble to pop around the internet, maybe even bigger than AI-bubble itself. Of course any legislated methods of verifying if someone is human will be cracked within days and bots will be certified as humans faster than humans themselves. This is what we learned from all anti-piracy tech spending and there is no reason to hope that human-verification will be any better.
In my personal opinion internet was never human-driven. It was always humans surfing on waves of bots working in unison to keep the thing working. It's the bots that pretend to be humans who are the problem both for people and for companies. And companies will rather push real humans out of internet than reign the bots in.
Lost but not wrong
Most every human I know is on the internet but they are increasingly not liking it and increasingly only using it as necessarily.
Nobody in here actually exists. I am the only real person. /s
I don't think they the whole Internet has been abandoned yet, but bots keep growing as a percentage of traffic for various reasons. There is also a vested interest in more people to have bots than not.
This is a problem for large social media. Not so much for smaller non english communities with good moderation.
Not on my lemmy
I don't think it's true. While I think it's possible, even likely that bot traffic outnumbers humans now, it's not humans leaving therefore not the internet being abandoned, just exponentially more bots. And while that includes bots pretending to be human, there's no proof that's anywhere near most bot traffic.
Depending on your definitions, more than half the internet traffic is by bots.
https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/bots-internet-traffic-ai-chatgpt-b2733450.html
But this does include all automated traffic, including scrapers and stuff. It's not like 50 percent of people here are bots.
Who's asking? 😅
I thought that was a funhole content.
The internet has always been like this depending on how you define non-human activity.
yes
Major platforms already have a large portion of bot content. Online articles in Google searches are mostly bots. It's trending upwards but there's still a lot of human created content left. I would stay away from big tech social media to avoid bot content.
Lemmy is defiantly a dead internet.
I do believe there's a very real risk of several related scenarios but it can be a good thing. Hear me out.
One of my favorite answers to the Fermi Paradox - why we don't encounter other life in the universe - is that civilization is a tool not a goal. This hypothesis implies that as soon as civilization empowers individuals enough to be self sustainable they retreat to their own space ships as cooperation and conflict are simply undesirable. If you can quantum print anything you want and you have an AI interface to educate, entertain you and be your safe gate to a shared network then why would you spend all that effort to group together?
If this hypothesis has any merit then we'd first see this happen on the digital space. Instead of interfacing to lemmy where there are straight up lies you need to verify yourself and conflicts you need to endure you can have a AI interface that abstracts all that away from you.
Is this dead internet? Kinda, at least of current understanding. Is this bad? Only if we risk capture by allowing manipulation of these interfaces. This is why libre software is critical for our future - we must trust out software if we delegate such responsibility to it.
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