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[–] 151 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I see a lot of defeatist commenters are content to lie down and let this be the end result. I'll let the man himself explain why this isn't the end: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgoODQFrPgw&t=734s

tl;dw: There is a much broader support for SKG in the European Parliament, the other legislative body besides the EC. They can't introduce new legislation, but they can modify existing legislation; specifically, SKG is targeting the Digital Fairness Act.

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  • [–] 41 points 5 months ago

    There is a much broader support for SKG in the European Parliament, the other legislative body besides the EC

    Ah, the one that's actually VOTED for (rather than appointed by "The Council") is more responsive to the will of the people! Imagine that!

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  • [–] 133 points 5 months ago* (3 children)

    Goddamn it. Lobbying wins again

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  • [–] 93 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Money wins again.

    It's not a big enough issue for the pols to come down on the side of the people. They know they won't be voted out on this one decision, so they came down on the side of the money.

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  • [–] [S] 34 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    On the bright side, there's not enough money in live service anymore, so plenty of companies are getting cold feet when it comes to making games that can be killed anyway. Yeah, that's a reach for a silver lining, but it's something. I'd like to believe that the action they say they're taking will result in real change, but it sure doesn't sound like it.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    there's not enough money in live service anymore, so plenty of companies are getting cold feet when it comes to making games that can be killed anyway

    Got a source to back that up? I'd love for it to be true, but all I've ever heard is the opposite..

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Sega

    Hasbro

    And I thought there was a third example in recent weeks, but I'm struggling to find it right now. In place of that, you can look at the implosion of Sony's live service efforts, with Marathon falling far short of making money, and for some reason Fairgames, rumored to now be called Break-In, will be the last one out the door after that Horizon live service. After that, I'd be shocked if they keep trying.

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  • [–] 55 points 5 months ago

    What the fuck @EUCommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu ? You are listening to people who don't represent the majority of users. Fuck you.

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  • [–] 45 points 5 months ago*

    Good video to show how bs the corpo claims are. Especially the licensing claims.

    I think this video is specifically for the California bill, but similar arguments are being used against both initiatives.

    https://youtu.be/CgoODQFrPgw

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  • [–] 72 points 5 months ago (19 children)

    "They say that existing EU consumer law "already provides for important safeguards protecting the economic interests of consumers", and note that video game publishers have to inform about "the duration and the conditions for terminating the contract before the consumers signs up for the video game"."

    Well that would be cool, but anything about the duration and conditions for terminating the contract i've ever read on boxes or terms of service is: " We can do whatever we like, whenever we like, just so we're clear' (im slightly paraphrasing). So it sound to me like the EC says: " Well these sellers said fuck you up front so they're immune to any responsibility". Cool, cool. I saw a digital fairness act, but maybe we can hang something up in the mandated warranty tree? So if a game shuts down in 6 months barring you from playing, you would be entitled to some form of restitution instead of hoping the dev has morals.

    Still doesn't solve that corpo's have their fingers over the killbuttons on our cultural heritage existence, so, you know, there's a lot of work to do still.

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    o it sound to me like the EC says: " Well these sellers said fuck you up front so they’re immune to any responsibility"

    Upfront? As in the UELA you get to read after opening the box, at which point you can't return the game anymore?

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    It's a basic premise of European and EU legal systems that you cannot use a contract to subvert national or international law. I guess the difficulty is who exactly enforces the existing laws that are supposed to guard against consumers getting ripped off.

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  • [+] -79 points 5 months ago (15 children)

    Its not the eu's job to protect cultural heritage. What kind of nut job comes to conclusions like this?

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  • [–] 87 points 5 months ago* (14 children)

    here is a quote from the european commision:

    the EU is committed to safeguarding and enhancing Europe's cultural heritage.

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  • [+] -80 points 5 months ago (12 children)

    Well that's a broad interpretation of a translation into a language no EU country officially speaks. So...

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  • [–] 31 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    L’Union europΓ©enne a pour mission de soutenir et de complΓ©ter les actions menΓ©es par les Γ‰tats membres pour prΓ©server et promouvoir le patrimoine culturel de l’Europe.

    Better ?

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  • [–] 27 points 5 months ago

    Dude, it's ok to be wrong sometimes, no one would judge you :) In fact, it's a sign of strength to be able to admit you're wrong, and people will like you more for it. It'll also be good for you personally as you will be more effective in more things :)

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  • [–] 63 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    As it is the tradition in the sector, I hope the industry will listen to player communities and agree on better sunsetting standards so communities can continue to meet and play together.

    lol. lmao even.

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  • [–] 25 points 5 months ago*

    EU commission does what everyone expected them to do: Deciding based on what wealthy lobby groups tell them.

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  • [–] 21 points 5 months ago

    I knew this was coming and still somehow feel disappointed.

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  • [–] 31 points 5 months ago

    Corruption. Corruption everywhere.

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago

    I come to distrust the EU with opinions like this every day

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago* (6 children)

    list everyone who voted for rejection, dig up what else they have been up to, make sure people know and will not forget. no peace for these assholes. even if it doesnt do anything, just having them think it might do something is enough.

    these people have prevented other laws too or voted for shitty ones. And, if naming and shaming them isnt part of democracy then we have no democracy at all as then actions can't have consequences.

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  • [+] 6 points 5 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    The EU Commission is elected by the European Parliament into power and can be fired by the European Parliament anytime. Pretty much standard for governments in parliamentary democracies. If that isn't democratic, you don't consider parliamentary democracies democratic in general?

    The Commission is unique in the way that it alone can initiate legislation but the right to initiative is routinely blown out of proportion. In most countries this power of their parliaments is mostly facade nowadays, because the governments there are actually drafting legislation and if needed parliaments just rubber stamp the initiative. This is further watered down because both Council and Parliament can propose legislative initiative to the Commission, which the Commission usually follows through. While the Commission can try to prevent legal initiative, it can do little to prevent the amending of current legislative proposals in the works. This is actually relevant for Stop Killing Games, if you followed the news of the initiative.

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  • [+] 5 points 5 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

    Which means nothing if they are not elected by the European Parliament by a vote of consent. The Commission can be also fired anytime by the European Parliament anytime later, if it loses support in the chamber.

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  • [+] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago*

    The Commission President is literally "elected" by the European Parliament, the word in the treaties. The Commission as a whole is facing a vote of consent. If the European Parliament rejects candidates, also besides the Commission President, they have to go or the Commission won't be getting into power. This is not merely theoretical, there is precedence for that. There are also interviews of each Commission candidate in the European Parliament and those are usually way harder than anything, any minister candidate in Austria, for example, would ever face.

    Equally as important is the fact that the European Parliament can vote the Commission out of office anytime as well.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago*

    Is there something we can do? One more petition, with already debunked lobbyist lies? I will sign it again.

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  • [–] 38 points 5 months ago

    The government does nothing. More news at 11.

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    [–] 25 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    TLDR "we have been successfully lobbied/bribed/corrupted into doing nothing (we may end up making it easier for publishers to do whatever they want)".

    Lot of EU supremacist/jingoist gamers gonna be feeling some serious cognitive dissonance tonight.

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    [–] 25 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Never had any faith in them anyway, just empty old suits that should have retired 20 years ago and now just want to get a bit more money before they keel over.

    Best solution is to just stop buying games and go back to piracy, only way to keep your games these days.

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  • [–] [S] 21 points 5 months ago* (3 children)

    The reason these games can be destroyed is that even piracy is often impossible. The ones you're pirating are more often than not going to be the ones that were never at risk of being targeted by this initiative.

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Then start considering buying games that you can also get through piracy, as long as you keep giving them money and allowing them control nothing will change.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago*

    Realistically though, it can be quite a complicated situation. One I've written about numerous times before. Servers behind the scenes can be incredibly complex, especially when it comes to games that have DLC and micro-transactions. And then you have to add to that the licensing on music and other things. Plus various other things I'm not thinking of right now

    Holy lazy writing Batman!

    As if this all wasn't adressed by SKG 100 times before. Did the author never hear about SKG before writing this article?

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  • [–] 49 points 5 months ago (11 children)

    The European Comission being corrupt as fuck really doesn't help with growing anti-EU sentiments. This is why people lose faith in the EU.

    Prosecute Ursula von der Leyen for treason and crimes against the European Union. Dissolve the European Comission and/or give more power to the European Parliament.

    How are we supposed to be the leading democracy if only the arbitrarily-appointed commissioners can introduce new legislation?

    How is it a functional democracy if one of the most successful citizens' initiative is essentially being ignored, because it doesn't align with corporate interests?

    President von der Leyen, along with the rest of the European Comission, are digging the entire European Union's grave. And they're doing a very good job, unfortunately.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (4 children)

    Are also calling for the complete abolishing of the government of your country and thereby call for the destruction of the political system, when you don't like the government in office, or is it just something you do with the EU

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    My country's government has been democratically elected. If it makes terrible decisions, the people have the choice of electing a different one. In theory at least.

    The European Comission is not democratically elected, and regardless of how batshit insane its decisions are - we have no legal pathway of changing it.

    The European Comission is not 'the political system' of the European Union. It's one part of it. A part that is undemocratic and needs reforms as soon as possible.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    The EU commission is elected by the directly elected European Parliament based on suggestions by the Council/member states. The Commission can be voted out of office anytime when it loses support in the European Parliament.

    The Austrian government is elected by Parliament based on suggestions by the Chancelor candidate (the latter chosen by the President). The parliament can vote the government out of office anytime.

    According to you the one thing is utterly undemocratic while the other is not. ok.

    The EU Commission is not the EU, but it is its executive and administration. I f you just kill that, you let everthing derail. Bureaucracy is a dirty word but there without it political entities implode.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    I don't know why we're suddenly talking about Austria - a country I've never mentioned, because I've never been there and know little about it.

    Judging solely based on your description, it does sound similar to the European Comission. I wouldn't say either is particularly democratic. Both seem quite similar to the Chinese democracy, which is rarely referred to as democracy at all in the West.

    The EU commission is elected by the directly elected European Parliament based on suggestions by the Council/member states.

    This is wrong. The European Parliament does not elect anybody. The president of the European Comission is chosen by the European Council, while the rest of the comissioners are chosen by the Council of the European Union.

    The Parliament only gets to vote on the final result, as usual. Theoretically, it can vote against the proposed Comission, or put a motion of no confidence in the Comission. Both of these only have limited realistic use, because the Parliament still cannot put forward its own nominations.

    Sources:

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    I am talking about Austria because to compare it with other parliamentary democracies it helps to chose one concrete example, you can chose another one if you like. How about Germany, the largest member state. There Parliament's position in this regard is actually weaker than in Austria.

    I have no idea where you are coming from but you seem to lack knowledge how parliamentary democracies work if you hold the completely outlandish view that they are on the same level as the Chinese system in terms of democracy.

    Back to the EU Commission. Its election is obviously a system where both, the Council / member states and the EP hold power. ("election" is the word in the treaties btw) This is by design. Power is not centralised. It is common in parliamentary democracies that parliaments elect/consent on members of the government but don't choose them. However government with members that are not to the liking of a majority in Parliament won't be elected/voted into power. The same is the case in the EU and there is precedent for that as well. The vote on VdL yielded a paper thin majority im the EP and only because VdL was giving the EP concessions in return. If the EP targets candidates as not acceptable they will not make it into the Commission. Again, there is precedent for that.

    If that sounds like Chinese "democracy" to you, half the democracies (ie all parliamentary democracies) on earth are in reality a Chinese style "democracy". Seriously?

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago
    [–] 6 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Government will not do good things if you're not organized enough that you don't need government.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago

    I very much doubt this will be the straw that breaks the camel's back and causes us to rebel against the system and tear down these structures of oppression that benefit business and capital at the expense of people and humanity. But it could be, and that excites me.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago* (6 children)

    Fuck the Eu Commission. They are traitors to everything the EU stands for. They deserve to burn with every billionaire on this planet.

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  • [–] 18 points 5 months ago* (4 children)

    Uh, they are not. It's like saying the entire US government consists of only the members of congress.

    The European Commission is one of two legislative bodies. It's the one that can introduce new legislation. The European Parliament is where SKG has a much broader support, and they are aiming to modify the Digital Fairness Act.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    I think you confused something here. While I agree that it is nonsense to claim that the Commission "is the EU", it is not really a legislative body. While it is true that the Commission "initiates" legislation, it is an executive institution and such work is more in line with national governments drafting new legislation (even if there commonly Parliaments then rubber stamp a legislative initiative based on that). The two legislative institutions of the EU are the European Parliament and the Council of the European Union (comprised of ministers from each national government), the amend, veto or agree on legislation together, with committee work etc, as one would expect from legislatives.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I probably didn't translate that properly. I meant "one of the two bodies involved in lawmaking".

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    In that case, if you choose to include the Commission, there would be three bodies. There is a reason the "trilogue" is called that way. The third body is the Council of the European Union which has basically equal standing to the European Parliament but represents the member states, while the EP represents the voters directly. Both can bring in amendments and veto or agree on a piece of legislation (while the Commission can't, its influence is with initiation and the initial draft).

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    ...and they wonder why we become EU-sceptics...

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    coincidence the same time they passed a pretty regressive anti-immigration law.

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