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[–] 322 points 5 months ago (8 children)

Neat idea... but I don't think federal law is gonna stop the oligarchs under this administration.

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  • [–] 63 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I think the way it works now is they take it to court and get the judge to allow them to continue building while the court case works its way through the system and in 6 years when they determine it's illegal the center has already been built for 5.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago*

    Yeah, the ship of legalism has long since sailed. It is sad to see how so many in the US has apparently not realised this yet. It is not about laws or the constitution or anything like that. They now strictly do shit because noone is stopping them, regardless of what it is.

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  • [–] 160 points 5 months ago* (18 children)

    RIP to the Endangered Species Act

    No chance the US government will forego money for their broligarchs because of environmental laws.

    But if you really want to overwhelm someone’s property with an unkillable native plant, I’d have to put Virginia creeper forward as a candidate.

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  • [–] 56 points 5 months ago (17 children)

    Get a few people. On one corner: bamboo. On another, kudzu. On a third, blackberries and mint. On a fourth, your creepers. Let the games begin.

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  • [–] 37 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Oh god, keep the bamboo and kudzu in their native environments. The ecosystem has been through enough!

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    Eh, ecosystems adapt. Most "invasive" species made their way to new lands on their own. The problem is when humans consciously introduce a new species with a purpose, knowing that it dominates against something the idiot human doesn't like.

    There are only really a few big rules to keep things going. Don't get rid of the sole predator for a populous prey animal. Don't introduce prey animals to an environment that reproduce faster than they can be eaten. Don't plant clones, diversify genetics within a species(looking at you, orchards and tree farms).

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    Should add sunchokes/Jerusalem artichoke in there somewhere, as they are food. I don't think kudzu is? Lets replace that one.

    Sunchokes spread like crazy as long as they have full sun, and are super difficult to eradicate, but are thwarted by being planted in sunny clearings in densely wooded areas. They can’t spread into the shade.

    Make the land difficult for development, but useful for the community!

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Oh no! Here comes Wisteria with the metal chain from the top rope!

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)
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    It does, and it draws so many bumblebees. I skipped trimming ours for one season and in the fall I noticed it poking out the top of the 2nd story chimney, it had grown under the siding, ~40 feet (12.2m) in one spring/summer.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    My asshole of a neighbor planted a line of bamboo right on our fence line, so now once a week I have to go to my side yard and dig up roots or they'll choke out my ac unit within months.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago*

    If you dig down about 2 foot (or several inches lower than the lowest root you find) and install a rubber barrier that goes from the bottom of the trench to up above the soil, it wont be able to spread to you anymore :)

    You could use brick, stone, or cement, but if any cracks exist or form it’ll eventually find the way through, where that’s significantly less likely with a solid sheet of rubber.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    that bamboo is gonna be a clintcher

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  • [–] 42 points 5 months ago* (5 children)

    Except it's only native to the central valley in California so if you're anywhere else this is not going to have any effect.

    I guess this person just didn't look up its range or something? The species pictured there isn't even native to CA.

    Most endangered species have restricted ranges, which is part of what makes them endangered. So you'll have to do the work to find out what might be present in your local area.

    That said I did just hear they're trying to build one in Roseville, CA which IS in the range of this species so guerrilla gardeners, if you happen to be in Roseville, go nuts.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Just plant some American chestnut. Ignore why such a wide ranged tree is endangered

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago*

    For everyone who wants to know why it's endangered (like i did): Because of a fungus that originally grew on the japanese chestnut variant (starting in the early 1900s), to which the american chestnut has no resistance - it is estimated that in in first half of that century, three to four billion tree died to that fungus. In the original geographic range of the American chestnut, only 4 mature trees remain. There are still some root systems that sprout saplings, but they get killed off by the fungus quickly. There are some enclaves in other areas that still have a few hundred, like in northern Michigan

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  • [+] 41 points 5 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    or shuffle the giant amount of virtually non-existant money between the same 4 companies

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    seems like nvidias the only one not going to be majorly affected they already got thier money by supplying the chips, its ORACLE(ellison), openai, ms, meta, google amazon will be left holding the bag, by extension the antichrist and his puppet thiel and karp.

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  • [–] 37 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Lmao they don't even care about humans. You think they'd care about beetles and berries??

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  • [–] 32 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Do this under the current administration and you'll lose the endangered species act

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  • [–] 28 points 5 months ago

    Watch them care, they'll just bulldoze right over these

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  • [–] 20 points 5 months ago

    I'm sure the pedo in charge, that's just ordered the removal of a deep-ocean observation system, is certainly going to baulk at the thought of removing some plants.

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  • [–] 19 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Then apartment owners will use this to plant them in areas where people are trying to build affordable housing.

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    apartment owners

    people [...] trying to build affordable housing

    Unfortunately, these are often the same people. A developer will usually make a deal with a municipality that requires that x% of new units built must conform to "affordable housing" requirements. That's it. It's kind of a whole scam used so big developers can just develop MORE AND MORE.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    Its not always bad. In areas that are already urban that scheme can be combined with fewer parking places near public transit and result in a larger overall supply of housing. And mixing poor families into nicer neighborhoods rather than clumping them together into a Housing Project can mean they're not in a food desert and have better-funded local schools and a better-maintained building, maybe be closer to where they work. As well as increasing neighborhood diversity and interaction in general. It's not helpful to profoundly destitute folks who need lots of services but it can help people who just need a home they can afford.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    I don't think I understand, are you saying real estate developers are NIMBY, as well?

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    No, I'm saying that real estate developers are overcoming the NIMBYs by instilling themselves into their local politics, and then calling for "future forward" mix-use development, obstensibly thinking about the "changing demographics" of the local area, wanting to build GIANT developments that mix high-end condos, affordable housing, and senior care (both assisted and independent) into the same space. This enables them to essentially control the housing market, and then buy up all of the nearest single family dwellings and repeat.

    This is to say nothing about the massive developments going up all over our farmland outside of city centers, as gentrifiers are now bored/sick/scared of the city and seek to once again suburbanize.

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  • [–] 19 points 5 months ago

    Haha maybe under a normal president, but this one hates regulation and safety. He LOVES money though.

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago

    The law means nothing when lobbies of big corps can change it to their like, paying politicans as their spokespersons.

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  • [–] 68 points 5 months ago (14 children)

    And you think these assholes won't just raze that stuff without a care in the world? Because they will. After that they'll be sued which will end with a small slap on the hand, combined with "oh you!" and that's it

    It'll relatively cost you more to buy that tree and plant it, than it'll cost them to just ignore all that

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  • [–] 18 points 5 months ago* (11 children)

    Except no - starting elderberry shrubs is relatively easy. Not like scattering the berries on the ground, but sticking cuttings a couple inches into damp or wet ground in late fall works very well, with very good odds that they'll be big enough to bear fruit in a year. It's also very cheap if you have access to an existing tree.

    Apparently you missed this in the research I'm sure you did before commenting on the cost, and strangely the people upvoting you seem to be making the same mistake. Probably AI's fault. (ooooh, he's defending AI - nope, just criticizing misinformation)

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  • [–] 24 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    They are definitely going to either remove the Endangered Species Act entirely or just slowly keep dropping species from the list as and when it becomes convenient honestly

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    They’re literally shooting people in the head in the street. If someone chained themselves to a tree to stop construction they’d just saw the person in half. Hasn’t been a single consequence yet

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I think the word "relatively" in the previous comment is doing some heavy lifting.

    If you are going to spend a few hours of your limited free time to plant the shrubs, even if the materials and transportation are free to you, compare that with the relative cost of a small environmental fine to a trillion dollar company building a billion dollar data center.

    The people at the top might not even realize anything happened, if anything even does happen.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Nobody's missing how easy these are to plant.

    The fucks planting data centres don't give a fuck though. The guy in the white house does not give a fuck. They'll bulldoze you and these plants for a nickel.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    Well that assumes they get away with it, and the irrefutable doomsday gospel seems to be that corps will bulldoze the world no matter what, even if it's illegal, therefore the endangered species tactic flat out won't work, because nothing will work, because they're invincible. But if that's the case I don't know why we're even starting these conversations.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    More than likely they do a survey to determine if the beetle is present. There is a whole thing about core and matrix habitat for species at risk, with matrix being less protected.

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  • [–] 25 points 5 months ago* (5 children)

    I knew someone who briefly worked in this field and quit due to the corruption.

    One day he does find endangered shit. He tells his boss, "hey you know they have so and so on this land, actually you gotta call this one."

    The boss sighs and is like, "let me explain how this works. We can do this and call it out, but next time this guy has a big project, he's not contracting out to us. And the other guys will definitely let it slide. Either way, they're building, and we end up going out of business eventually. You might win this one time, but eventually it won't matter."

    I think at the end of the day, he quit and they built over it.

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  • [–] 18 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    That dude was just corrupt. My wife has to deal stuff this exact stuff and they literally reroute, build in a different area, or have to take extreme precautions like not building at that time of year that will most affect the endangered species.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I am an environmental consultant, too. You're correct that they often re-route or change their designs based on habitat, though this isn't always the case. They can determine if the impact is major, or if it can be reversed or off-set. An example would be a mine that goes through woodland caribou habitat. They'll still mine the fuck out of it, but then they'll be required to reclaim it back to what it was. The rub is that people think reclamation is a fast or sure thing, but it's neither. Some ecosystems, like those that support caribou are really hard to re-establish, but operators can get on with a commitment to restore, and a couple of contingencies in case the reclamation doesn't work.

    @terranoid@lemmy.cafe yes, this is a thing in consulting, but often with the smaller, more cowboy firms. Bigger firms can push back a bit, and say 'hey, look. we really don't recommend this, here's the risks' or flat refuse service if they can take the hit.

    @owsei@programming.dev yes, generally, consultants are hired to do things like rare plant surveys or wildlife sweeps. It's not the EPA or other regulators doing this and the operators don't have the capacity or expertise to do it themselves usually.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    What makes their story unbelievable is that they said “one day they find endangered shit”. Environmental companies find endangered species every time they leave the office. It’s not an unusual occurrence. I’m not sure if my wife has had a project without at least one reroute in the past decade much less her whole career.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago (14 children)

    Elderberry is also a wonderful edible medicinal plant. Their berries are delicious and immune boosting

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  • [–] 23 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    So one's father smelling of elder berries is actually a good thing?

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Your father is a drunk and your mother the town hore is the literal translation.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Wait… translating from English… to English???

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    All (most?) liqueurs we're medicinal products at some point. We just stopped drinking them for health and now just for flavor. They also changed some formulas to make them cheaper / sweeter

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago

    if today's strategies are anything to go by : nothing is illegal if youre in charge

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago*

    Oops a completely accidental accident happened where a van full of pesticide accidentally crashed head on into the tree and exploded it. Accidentally. Oh well, I guess the build is back on at least.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

    I had no idea Sambucus was native to America. Elder flower is such a quintessential childhood flavour to me.

    Edit: So, growing up, my famliy worked at a elder farm for a few years. The name of elder always stuck in my head; Sambucus nigra.

    Per Wikipedia, Sambucus nigra, or black elder, is actually native to Europe.

    Sambucus can be found natively in large swathes of the world. It's just that the specific type mentioned in the post is native to North America.

    Makes me think of how American blueberries here in Sweden has more or less replaced our native blueberries (bilberry) in stores.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)
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    It tastes a little like a honeysuckle smells, but lighter and not cloying. It's a very floral taste, sweet, complex, fairly unique. You can get elderflower syrups or liqueur, or sometimes fancy sodas, and it's a very distinctive and unmistakable taste. One of my favorites.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    That’s a hard question. It’s floral, which feels like “duh.” It has a fairly mild fragrance. Here it is almost always paired with lemon as well, so you end up with a kind of tangy, floral lemonade kind of thing.

    It’s great.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    Endangered species act being removed in 3 2 1.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    This is actually more likely to end with you in legal trouble yourself rather than stopping construction. Artificial planting is fairly easy to detect as it doesn't follow natural population distribution, and won't fall under the protection laws. If they can prove who did it, they can be charged with fraud

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    also unless it natively found in the area you are planting, it wont stop the construction once they realize this species is not native to the county, or state. there is such thing as locally native, vs native to the state. just like agave is native to the us, but not native to california, where it is planted everywhere.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    They will literally not care

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    I was once working on a building site of some kind and was told that was known to have some kind of native endangered lizard, we were told “if you think you see one, you didn’t”.

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