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[–] 98 points 5 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 52 points 5 months ago

    Wonderful .. in addition to bribing lobbying politicians they can now vote for them.

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  • [–] 46 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    We are one Super PAC dark money donation away from the Bill of Rights becoming the Bill of Privileges.

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  • [–] 31 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    It already is. And was. Not everyone gets the benefit of them, particularly if you dont have a white dick.

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  • [–] 33 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    Okay, they have the right to vote, but HOW do they vote? If my mom wants to vote, I can't go vote in her place as a proxy, so a person couldn't vote in proxy for a corp. Does a company have to be 18 years old to vote? In Delaware you need a state ID or a social security number to vote. Can they get those? So many nonsensical leaps in logic have to be made to make this possible.

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  • [–] 22 points 5 months ago* (4 children)

    Okay silver lining this explicitly applies to voting in municipal elections. This only applies to municipalities that have a law specifically allowing a vote for every property owner and citizen.

    This is extremely limited in scope. Batshit insane, but not as bad as it first seemed.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Delaware is one of the most popular locations for shell corporations, because the state doesn’t require public ownership disclosure. If you want to hide behind a shell corporation or create a shady holding company, Delaware is where your new company will be based.

    On paper, corporations in Delaware literally outnumber humans 2 to 1. So that means those shady faceless shell corporations could easily take control of local elections. And local elections tend to have the most direct day-to-day impact on residents’ lives. So this could very easily spiral into shell corporations making local residents’ lives hell. This is quickly approaching “local residents aren’t allowed to cook or shower during the day, because Nestle was allowed to spin up five thousand shell corporations to sway local elections and buy out local water rights” levels of dystopia.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    Important to note that this is the case in this one town specifically because the town charter allows property owners to vote. As of right now this only applies to a few cities in the state. It's all in the article.

    I don't know what goes into state law surrounding town charters so that may not be easy to change. Town ordinances are easier to pass, but they may not have as much power in court.

    I wouldn't expect it to spiral just because this ruling is very specific, but honestly who knows these days things are weird

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Don't worry. They'll extend it to more elections soon.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    I mean that's unlikely as this is a very very narrow ruling. Municipal elections are some of the most deregulated type of elections. I mean one town elected a dog and in some towns children have been able to legally run.

    There's a large lack of federal and state law regulating city elections, or at least when compared to state and federal elections.

    Of course they could still change it, but it should take more than a court case. If courts care to follow established law, which is shaky the days I'll give you that

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  • [–] 21 points 5 months ago

    Can a corporation have an ID? Can a corporation have a social Security number? If a corporation dies can I burn it in a crematory to make ashes or bury it in the ground?

    This is such horseshit

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  • [–] 18 points 5 months ago

    A "novel" ruling... Yeah that's one way to put it...

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago

    I wonder how much of this is blowback from Hawaii kicking their asses.

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago

    Not American enough for me. When can I vote for corporations in elections? i want to be able to choose between voting for palantir or onlyfans for president

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago

    This is treason

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago

    Next step, trading votes like stocks on the exchange.

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    This is why Citizens United Corporations United has to be repealed. Don't just get mad at a judge for ruling according to the law, which is his job. There are shades of legality judges can rule on, like the meaning of "reasonable", but if federal law says a corporation is a person, it's legally a person. The solution is to repeal that law.

    edit: typo

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Each employee can represent 3/5 of a vote!

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Sweet so if I have a bunch of Delaware corporations I can vote a bunch of times.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    You just have to have them own property in this particular town, so buy a small building, multifamily, convert it to condos, put each condo under a different LLC, one condo one vote. Or maybe buy a field, or an old farm. Not sure how many parcels you can split that up into. How many legally distinct property deeds you can pack in there. Might depend on zoning, or that might just be for building.

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  • [–] 20 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    Well, that's one way for States to make a pittance from rich people.

    Every rich person will now open 99 bs companies to vote 100 times.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    It's possible that he's actually interpreting the law correctly. It's just that the laws on this crap in Delaware are clearly batshit insane.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    Just like we have Palantir, soon we will have Arasaka and Militech.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    Can they go to jail?

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    [–] 127 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    What the fuck are we doing Delaware?

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  • [–] 60 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    How? Wouldn't they have to go through a voter registration process that requires a voter id and ss#, and who casts the vote? The CEO or someone selected from the board?.. and couldn't some rich asshole just start a whole bunch of corporations to give themselves as many votes as they want? This blatantly goes against the one person one vote principle.

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  • [–] 29 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Here's a fun way to fast track this descent into corporate hell: one vote per share.

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  • [–] 57 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    If companies can vote, have free speech rights, and are people then why is it legal for one company to own another? Isn't that slavery?

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Bold of you to assume slavery is illegal in America. Every "prisoner witha job" in a for-profit prison is a victim of the 13th amendment.

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  • [–] 35 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    How can you vote as an individual and corporate entity? Could one not just incorporate hundreds of companies just to annihilate other voters?

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  • [–] 29 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    The lawsuit [doesn't] show “that entity property owners vote sufficiently as a bloc to usually defeat the preferred candidates of natural persons...”

    This is "no harm no foul," except it's a judge and he's actually making this argument seriously.

    "Persons" don't vote. Citizens do.

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Just to drive that home, here are the voting requirements from the Delaware Dept. of Elections:

    You may register to vote in Delaware if you:

    • Are a citizen of the United States; AND
    • Are a resident of Delaware (Delaware is your home); AND
    • Will be 18 years old on or before the date of the next General Election.

    I don't see how any of the listed entities could meet those criteria.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    Some corporations are over 18 years of age, so no problem there. And we already know that they're citizens, while the plebian inhabitants of the country are merely consumers. So it all works out.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    If you're referring to the Citizens United ruling, you should know that it did not establish that corporations are citizens, at all. It simply allowed that money spent by corporations on political candidates is a form of free speech, and it got rid of a bunch of limits on political spending. Which is certainly bad enough, but it in no way paves the way for a company to be a citizen or have a vote.

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  • [–] 26 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    “A novel ruling,” Christ almighty.

    Karsnitz dismissed the lawsuit from Delaware’s Superior Court, citing “the principle of one person/entity/one vote.”

    This is how you get people to bring back dragging someone into the street and horsewhipping them. I’m not advocating it, it’s just the natural response some people are going to have to being told corporations get to vote in a state with more corporations than people.

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  • [–] 22 points 5 months ago

    So... if I own a company and spin off... oh, lets say a million shell corporations, have I generated a million voters?

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago

    The logic of free speech applying to corporations is that they are an extension of their operators, making restrictions to them effectively restrictions on the operators.

    This is way more wild. This gives corporations people-rights distinct from their operators.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    So if you’re a CEO you get two votes?

    This is what this seems like to me…

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago*

    Why go through all the trouble of simulating that you have a Democracy by having Money sponsoring politicians in a system where only a few politicians can de facto be elected, when you can have Money just directly vote?!

    Seems a lot more efficient if you remove intermediary steps and middlemen.

    Also removing all the smoke & mirrors is a lot more honest.

    I am actually surprised they've become so open about the system being an Oligarchy rather than a Democracy.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago

    If companies can vote, they should be subject to the death penalty like everyone else.

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  • [–] 25 points 5 months ago

    As people have been saying for years, I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    Ok, and if they're people then we can apply legal ramifications to them, right? Right?!?!

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    So let me get this straight... Corporations have the right to vote all the while the government is trying to purge registered voters from the polls? How long until the fucking corporations end up with multiple votes due to size?

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Ah, taking a play out of the ol' "City Of London" book!

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago*

    What the fuck‽ This needs to be banned immediately

    Also this is super easy to game

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    How does a corporation aquire the necessary citizenship to vote?

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    And given most C-suite consult LLMs heavily, we're now on the slope to where robot overlords run the show.

    Would it be best? Debatably not. Would it be better than Trump? Of course.

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    [–] 13 points 5 months ago

    Reality outpaces satire faster every day.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago

    What we have here is an accelerant to burn this all down. I am mystified as to why. Money was being made. People were contributing to it. We can tolerate a lot and maybe they keep pushing to see how much we’ll take, but at some point it’ll light the fuse and then nobody really gets anything good anymore. Resulting in years of Balkanization and warlords or worse. Greedy fucks.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago