We are so fucked
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Wonderful .. in addition to bribing lobbying politicians they can now vote for them.
We are one Super PAC dark money donation away from the Bill of Rights becoming the Bill of Privileges.
It already is. And was. Not everyone gets the benefit of them, particularly if you dont have a white dick.
Okay, they have the right to vote, but HOW do they vote? If my mom wants to vote, I can't go vote in her place as a proxy, so a person couldn't vote in proxy for a corp. Does a company have to be 18 years old to vote? In Delaware you need a state ID or a social security number to vote. Can they get those? So many nonsensical leaps in logic have to be made to make this possible.
Okay silver lining this explicitly applies to voting in municipal elections. This only applies to municipalities that have a law specifically allowing a vote for every property owner and citizen.
This is extremely limited in scope. Batshit insane, but not as bad as it first seemed.
Delaware is one of the most popular locations for shell corporations, because the state doesn’t require public ownership disclosure. If you want to hide behind a shell corporation or create a shady holding company, Delaware is where your new company will be based.
On paper, corporations in Delaware literally outnumber humans 2 to 1. So that means those shady faceless shell corporations could easily take control of local elections. And local elections tend to have the most direct day-to-day impact on residents’ lives. So this could very easily spiral into shell corporations making local residents’ lives hell. This is quickly approaching “local residents aren’t allowed to cook or shower during the day, because Nestle was allowed to spin up five thousand shell corporations to sway local elections and buy out local water rights” levels of dystopia.
Important to note that this is the case in this one town specifically because the town charter allows property owners to vote. As of right now this only applies to a few cities in the state. It's all in the article.
I don't know what goes into state law surrounding town charters so that may not be easy to change. Town ordinances are easier to pass, but they may not have as much power in court.
I wouldn't expect it to spiral just because this ruling is very specific, but honestly who knows these days things are weird
Don't worry. They'll extend it to more elections soon.
I mean that's unlikely as this is a very very narrow ruling. Municipal elections are some of the most deregulated type of elections. I mean one town elected a dog and in some towns children have been able to legally run.
There's a large lack of federal and state law regulating city elections, or at least when compared to state and federal elections.
Of course they could still change it, but it should take more than a court case. If courts care to follow established law, which is shaky the days I'll give you that
Can a corporation have an ID? Can a corporation have a social Security number? If a corporation dies can I burn it in a crematory to make ashes or bury it in the ground?
This is such horseshit
Not American enough for me. When can I vote for corporations in elections? i want to be able to choose between voting for palantir or onlyfans for president
This is why Citizens United Corporations United has to be repealed. Don't just get mad at a judge for ruling according to the law, which is his job. There are shades of legality judges can rule on, like the meaning of "reasonable", but if federal law says a corporation is a person, it's legally a person. The solution is to repeal that law.
edit: typo
Each employee can represent 3/5 of a vote!
Sweet so if I have a bunch of Delaware corporations I can vote a bunch of times.
You just have to have them own property in this particular town, so buy a small building, multifamily, convert it to condos, put each condo under a different LLC, one condo one vote. Or maybe buy a field, or an old farm. Not sure how many parcels you can split that up into. How many legally distinct property deeds you can pack in there. Might depend on zoning, or that might just be for building.
Well, that's one way for States to make a pittance from rich people.
Every rich person will now open 99 bs companies to vote 100 times.
It's possible that he's actually interpreting the law correctly. It's just that the laws on this crap in Delaware are clearly batshit insane.
What the fuck are we doing Delaware?
Delaware itself is just a shell corporation, tbh
Zappa said something like, "They've moved the tables and chairs out of the way and pulled the curtains back so we can see the brick wall at the back of the theater.
Grifting for tax dollars. They are cucks for businesses. There are less people than businesses and the state government knows what side their bread is buttered on
How? Wouldn't they have to go through a voter registration process that requires a voter id and ss#, and who casts the vote? The CEO or someone selected from the board?.. and couldn't some rich asshole just start a whole bunch of corporations to give themselves as many votes as they want? This blatantly goes against the one person one vote principle.
Here's a fun way to fast track this descent into corporate hell: one vote per share.
I am going to incorporate a new company and issue eleventy billion shares to myself
The wild thing is that because of Delaware's tax laws, a LOT of businesses are registered in that state. This is honestly bonkers to me.
No no no, those rules are for people. Silly peasant. Corporate people don’t have to do those silly things
If companies can vote, have free speech rights, and are people then why is it legal for one company to own another? Isn't that slavery?
Bold of you to assume slavery is illegal in America. Every "prisoner witha job" in a for-profit prison is a victim of the 13th amendment.
Bold of you to make the same exact comment made on Lemmy every single time slavery is mentioned.
How can you vote as an individual and corporate entity? Could one not just incorporate hundreds of companies just to annihilate other voters?
The lawsuit [doesn't] show “that entity property owners vote sufficiently as a bloc to usually defeat the preferred candidates of natural persons...”
This is "no harm no foul," except it's a judge and he's actually making this argument seriously.
"Persons" don't vote. Citizens do.
Just to drive that home, here are the voting requirements from the Delaware Dept. of Elections:
You may register to vote in Delaware if you:
- Are a citizen of the United States; AND
- Are a resident of Delaware (Delaware is your home); AND
- Will be 18 years old on or before the date of the next General Election.
I don't see how any of the listed entities could meet those criteria.
Simple, they just won't bother. They will vote and take everyone to court. That's the point.
Some corporations are over 18 years of age, so no problem there. And we already know that they're citizens, while the plebian inhabitants of the country are merely consumers. So it all works out.
If you're referring to the Citizens United ruling, you should know that it did not establish that corporations are citizens, at all. It simply allowed that money spent by corporations on political candidates is a form of free speech, and it got rid of a bunch of limits on political spending. Which is certainly bad enough, but it in no way paves the way for a company to be a citizen or have a vote.
Oooh, this means we can denaturalize and deport corporations now!
“A novel ruling,” Christ almighty.
Karsnitz dismissed the lawsuit from Delaware’s Superior Court, citing “the principle of one person/entity/one vote.”
This is how you get people to bring back dragging someone into the street and horsewhipping them. I’m not advocating it, it’s just the natural response some people are going to have to being told corporations get to vote in a state with more corporations than people.
So... if I own a company and spin off... oh, lets say a million shell corporations, have I generated a million voters?
The logic of free speech applying to corporations is that they are an extension of their operators, making restrictions to them effectively restrictions on the operators.
This is way more wild. This gives corporations people-rights distinct from their operators.
So if you’re a CEO you get two votes?
This is what this seems like to me…
Why go through all the trouble of simulating that you have a Democracy by having Money sponsoring politicians in a system where only a few politicians can de facto be elected, when you can have Money just directly vote?!
Seems a lot more efficient if you remove intermediary steps and middlemen.
Also removing all the smoke & mirrors is a lot more honest.
I am actually surprised they've become so open about the system being an Oligarchy rather than a Democracy.
If companies can vote, they should be subject to the death penalty like everyone else.
As people have been saying for years, I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one.
Ok, and if they're people then we can apply legal ramifications to them, right? Right?!?!
So let me get this straight... Corporations have the right to vote all the while the government is trying to purge registered voters from the polls? How long until the fucking corporations end up with multiple votes due to size?
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What the fuck‽ This needs to be banned immediately
Also this is super easy to game
And given most C-suite consult LLMs heavily, we're now on the slope to where robot overlords run the show.
Would it be best? Debatably not. Would it be better than Trump? Of course.
What we have here is an accelerant to burn this all down. I am mystified as to why. Money was being made. People were contributing to it. We can tolerate a lot and maybe they keep pushing to see how much we’ll take, but at some point it’ll light the fuse and then nobody really gets anything good anymore. Resulting in years of Balkanization and warlords or worse. Greedy fucks.


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