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[–] 66 points 5 months ago* (9 children)

I'm more concerned about the tombstones shown in the panting in heaven. like what happened to THOSE people? are they Super Dead?

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    From Wikipedia:

    Jehovah's Witnesses believe that a "little flock" of 144,000 selected humans go to heaven, but that God will resurrect the majority (the "other sheep") to a cleansed earth after Armageddon.

    I feel like the presence of the headstones and the children more points to the latter belief, that God will resurrect the dead after Armageddon or whatever.

    Like, God has resurrected your kid's dead grandpa, straight out of the grave, and now you're forced to deal with your shitty father-in-law for eternity

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  • [–] 27 points 5 months ago (2 children)
    [–] 25 points 5 months ago (13 children)

    What makes me sad about heaven is that there must be a cutoff in the monkey -> human evolution chain. What happened to the very first human that met that cutoff? They'll be in heaven but their parents are too monkey and didn't make it :(

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago

    I love this reflection. It kind of shines a spotlight on the fallibility of mainstream religions under rational thought. Could there be something after death? Sure. But the stories people are peddled arent based on any truth, it's just telling people what they want to hear to get them to join the club.

    There's a people heaven, and a dog heaven, and a monkey heaven, a bird heaven, etc. Like, what? There's an estimated 8.7 million species on earth, you think there's a heaven for each of them? When evolution spins off something new or species cross breed, like a liger from a lion and tiger, does a new heaven just pop into existence?

    Mainstream depictions of heaven are bunk.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    I don't think God discriminates against monkeys

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    I thought only humans went to heaven. It's a real can of worms otherwise. Do worms go to heaven? Mosquitos? Bacteria? Viruses?

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (4 children)

    I hope in a separate heaven then. Or hell? Is a mosquito automatically evil, just because they do evil things (like sucking blood) and literally nobody likes them, not even their predators?

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (2 children)

    I don't think sucking blood is evil. It's not like it betrays anyone. It's pretty open about it's nature.

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  • [–] 20 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Isn't it a little tortuous to send children to heaven as children. Even if just a spirit, the appearance and mind of a child feels a little Kirsten Dunst in interview with a vampire. Same with the old. Who wants to go to heaven as an old man or woman?

    Most conceptions of heaven kinda feel like hell. This picture scares the hell out of me.

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    What reality takes precedence in heaven? My view of my grandmother or her own view? Or is heaven a bubble of reality for what each individual wishes most?

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Depends what you believe but many think of the concept of heaven not as a place where you see your dead family and pets, but more of a state of being including oneness with God. Sort of like nirvana. Or the Nexus if you're a Star Trek fan.

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  • [+] 26 points 5 months ago* (14 children)
  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    It depends. Some sects believe in the concept of "particular judgment" -- you are judged and go to heaven (or hell, or Detroit) immediately upon death (I think Catholics believe this). Other sects believe in the doctrine of "last judgement" where all the dead are put on hold until the end of the world, and then judged en mass. There is, as usual, conflicting Biblical passages on this point.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child)

    My family took a novel approach to it. Everyone gets judged when they die, but only the worst go to hell, and the best go to heaven. The rest wait around until the rapture and then there is Judgement 2: Judgement Day where all the people that were waiting around get judged against all the new people, and then they are split based on some kind of holy bell curve. It was really just a lot of bullshit to get around my family being full of drug addicts and racists and no one wanting to admit that if they go by the Bible they are hellbound.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    There's probably multiple. Or at least there's multiple interpretations of it.

    I remember reading that bit.

    But even if that's the actual version, this painting just assumes you down near the people you're wanting to see. Even though those groups would likely have mutually exclusive members? Does everybody get split into though copies to be everywhere they need to be at once?

    There's so much unanswered lore specifics. Revelation was the first part I stopped believing in.

    It just seems like whoever wrote it (I think it's supposed to be John, but those people still think Moses was a real person, so who knows) had dropped too much acid like 10 hours before and was having a really bad comedown phase. None of it is coherent at all.

    And the fact that Trump is by far the closest any human has come to being the actual antichrist while they all just follow blindly is the most depressing humor around.

    Any other tiny sleight they will call out preemptively (thinking of late 90s/early 00s satanic panic stuff, like Pokémon is evil because it's made by a company called Wizards of the Coast, and they also make a game called Magic!), but actual Hitler Jr? Nah, they love him to death.

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  • [+] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Ok, fair point.

    I'm in the south, so almost all my personal experience is with the stereotypical Baptist type, and my comment was colored with that understanding. I realize there are more types of Christians, but I'm surrounded by the very stereotypical type. So I was referring to them for the most part.

    And by "blindly", I mean they're assuming that the virtue of voting R is somehow mystically better than voting for someone who will actually not destroy millions of lives. The type I'm familiar with only knows Fox and just assumes anybody that even has to think about who to vote for is probably a Satanist, even though they don't actually even have a clue what that actually is. They're "blind" insofar as they can't see sexual results, they just know they get a god-shaped boner when they vote R.

    I only broke out of growing up in it 10 years ago almost exactly (don't have a date, but it was someone this month). I knew he had made whispers of running a while back, but even though all I only knew him from at the time was that he was on home alone 2 and the apprentice and was some rich guy. I didn't watch the apprentice, so I didn't know much about it, but I just knew from tidbits that he was a clown.

    I knew as soon as he made a peep I knew that he would be a horrible choice, while still working out how I felt about politics from the ground up.

    I remember thinking that the "grab em" conversation leak was actually an instant kill to his entire campaign at the time. I still think it should have been, but I severely underestimated how stupid conservatives are.

    I was still coming out of a fog of religion at the time. The world was still opening to me.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago* (6 children)

    Enjoy your mythology. I prefer my imaginary afterlife to be interpreted literally.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    I find your lack of faith disturbing.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    The Jedi are extinct, their fire has gone out of the universe. You, my friend, are all that's left of their religion.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago

    Measles. Thanks RFK Jr.

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    [–] 11 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Why are they in a fucking cemetery?! What the fuck is going on up there?

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  • [–] 21 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    This looks like some jehovahs witness "art."

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  • [–] 19 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    lots of diversity: check no interracial couples or evidence of them despite lots of diversity: check heaven is a physical place where you keep your body and there's flowers and columns and shit: check 80s romance novel cover horny painting art style: check

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Statistically, if there's an afterlife, there's billions of babies and fetuses in it.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago

    Just another school shotin' for jesus!

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Iranian mommies and daddies when the war with US starts:

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Anakin

    That's a lot less dark than i was expecting.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    So, what happens if you've survived a spouse and remarried? Do you have to choose who you want to spend eternity with?

    What about adopted and surrogate kids: do they have to hang out with their biological parents now?

    Heaven is such a ridiculous concept.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    It’s always funny when they depict adults being reunited with their children. How come those adults aren’t depicted as children being reunited with THEIR parents.. and recursively so on and so on.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Jehovah's witness fan art makes for such great memes.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

    Child mortality was high back then, eh?

    Edit: just saw the Anakin after.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Can you explain the Anakin joke, then?

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    Why are some people old in heaven? I’d want to have a 23yo body forever, thank you very much.

    And why are some people children in heaven? Does this mean they’ll never develop and get to know what it is like to be mature?

    It’s almost like this whole Heaven concept hasn’t been thought out very far.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago* (3 children)

    I think when first contact happens between loved ones, a common reality is unconsciously agreed upon where the family comes together under the bodies they inhabited at the time they were all together.

    Since the long deceased ones have likely watched the life of the newly deceased with interest, I think that initial reality is then slowly pushed away and the (grown) children take on their more mature forms and the grand parents take on their younger forms, and they all walk away from the meeting as equals

    That's how I'd do it

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    jedis arnt human though, so they dont have a christian equivalent heaven. maybe there is a force version of heaven.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I am wondering much about graveyards in Heaven, can you die in the afterlife and where will you go then? Is Heinlein’s Job more factual than I always assumed??

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    It’s been years since I’ve read Job. What was the part you’re referring to?

    I just remember him being a dishwasher, since that skill travels easily and everyone has dirty dishes.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Yeah the dish washing, that is seriously an amazing part of the story. But I digress, I was referring to the part where Alex is going to “trial”, with the judge a god of gods (I should re-read it, my explanation is terrible).

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Good. Good.

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