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[–] 118 points 6 months ago

Floors in the Middle Ages were dirt covered with straw for insulation and other reasons.

Threshold = thresh (straw) + hold (a piece of wood across the front doorway to stop the thresh from spilling out)

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  • [–] 79 points 6 months ago (10 children)

    I don't think anyone has mentioned "helicopter" yet. It's not heli and copter like you might think. It's helico like helix meaning spiral and pter like pterodactyl meaning winged.

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  • [–] 23 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    Does that mean it has a silent P and we’ve all been pronouncing it wrong this whole time?

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Alternatively, we've been saying Pterodactyl wrong this whole time

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  • [–] [S] 73 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

    Thought of this while looking up where the term "bootleg" comes from. Turns out people used to conceal flasks of alcohol inside the leg of a tall boot to hide them from authorities during Prohibition.

    Similar one for the term "shotgun" when you call the front passenger seat. That's where the guy with the shotgun sat when goods and people were transported by horse-drawn wagons. Also, a funny sidenote: in Finnish language it's commonly refered to as "pelkääjän paikka" which translates to "seat for the one being afraid"

    Edit: Goodbye - God be with ye

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  • [–] 63 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    You might be familiar with the radio term "roger." Per the FAA's Pilot/Controller Glossary, it means "I have received all of your last transmission. It should not be used to answer a question requiring a yes or no answer."

    They want to make it VERY clear that roger does not mean "yes." So why do we use the word "roger" to mean "acknowledged"? Because Americans in World War II.

    First of all, radio was still a fairly new warfighting tool in the 1940's. In a lot of cases, they still used Morse code tapped out by telegraphers on straight keys. Morse code was like the SMS of its day, it takes a long time to spell each letter out, so you end up with abbreviations, some of which really only make sense if you're familiar with Morse. For example, you know the radio practice of saying "over" and "out?" In morse code, you use K (-.-) to mean "over" and KN (-.- -.) to mean "out." There's an entire list of "Q codes", for example, you can tell someone to reduce their transmitter power by simply transmitting QRP (--.- .-. .--.). There's one that means "what's your barometric pressure?" because aviation. You'll still sometimes hear "What's QNH?" in aviation circles.

    Most relevantly, a reply that simply means "I have received all of your last transmission" is simply abbreviated to R (.-.).

    They also had AM voice mode radios. And now we get to talk about phonetic alphabets. We've all independently invented one at least once, talking to tech support on the phone and reading a serial number "One Three Four D as in Dog, Two, E as in Egg, Seven Eight one." Because a bunch of letters sound the same when saying them out loud. You might be familiar with the modern one used by NATO, also required by the aviation world via ICAO. Starts out Alpha Bravo Charlie Delta etc. R in the modern one is Romeo. But NATO formed well after WWII.

    The phonetic alphabet used during WWII by English speaking nations went Able Baker Charlie Dog Easy Fox etc etc. Peter Queen Roger Sugar etc etc Xray Yoke Zebra.

    So we say "Roger" because in WWII the Morse code abbreviation for "received" was R and the letter R would be pronounced "Roger" on an AM transmitter, and even though the phonetic alphabet has moved on, the word remains in use with a specific definition.

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  • [–] 17 points 6 months ago

    I remember reading a scene where a pilot is getting orders over the radio and it went something like:

    Tower: I want you to return to base immediately!

    Pilot: Roger.

    Tower: I heard a "Roger," but I didn't hear a "Wilco," now I repeat, I am ordering you to return to base!

    Pilot: Roger.

    Tower: [Explodes in radio transmitted fury]

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  • [–] 55 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    The word "nice" used to mean "stupid." It derives from the Latin "nescio" (translated: "I don't know") and carried over into old French. At some point, it came to be associated with generosity, the assumption being that someone stupid is too innocent or naive to be selfish.

    It then got carried over into middle English, and the connotation for stupidity got dropped, making it so that the word meant "kind," as opposed to "stupidly kind"

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  • [–] 45 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    The abbreviation ‘lbs’ for ‘pounds’ comes from the Roman ‘libre pondo’ meaning ‘a pound by weight’.

    This is also the reason the symbol for Libra in the zodiac is scales (Libra is the only sign represented by an inanimate object).

    I just learnt this today, and I can’t believe I never noticed before now that ‘lbs’ for ‘pounds’ is weird. I always just mentally glossed over it.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Similarly...Americans size wire carpentry nails as some number followed by a d. 16d nails are most common for nailing together two-by lumber as standard in structures, 8d are used for one-by lumber trim or plywood.

    The d is pronounced 'penny'. And like most of the stupid little stuff we do, it's the Limeys' fault.

    Back when the UK had three moneys rather than two, they abbreviated pound as L (as above), shilling as S and, for some crumpet eating reason, pence as d. At some point in history, nails were sold in lots of 100, and different sizes at different prices. A box of large framing nails might cost 16 pence, a box of small tacks might cost 4 pence. The terminology has pretty much stuck to this day.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

    The d symbol for the English penny, comes from the Carolingian denarius, the smallest denomination in the currency of Frank King Charlemagne's empire, which became the model currency for several European currencies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penny

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  • [+] 4 points 6 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago

    No, libra (the unit of mass), and libre (being free) have unrelated origins, afaik. Libra comes from scales, as in the Libra constellation, wheveas libre comes from liber, related to freedom (and not books (or "libro" in Spanish); that's a different word), which apparently comes from even older languages, meaning "town" or "people".

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    [–] 40 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    The word "tycoon" was brought into English from the Japanese word taikun (大君), one of the words for "lord." The Japanese word itself would have been brought over from China a long time before.

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  • [–] 40 points 6 months ago (10 children)

    In “room and board”, board refers to food coverage. The root is “bord” which is old English for table. But this word actually predates English, I believe from proto Germanic as it is also cognate in other Germanic languages. The only reason I learned this is because I’ve been learning Norwegian for several years, where table is “bord”.

    Many things leap from the page when you learn a new language. For example, admittedly strange that this never dawned on me, but I simply never even considered that “maybe” is “may” and “be”. That is of course obvious, but it has always just been in my lexicon as the whole word and its meaning. When I realized the Norwegian “kanskje” was literally “kan” and “skje“ or “can happen” my mind was blown.

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  • [–] 18 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    I've been learning Esperanto, which is basically just all loanwords from different European languages, one thing I'm a little embarrassed to have learned that way is that "Peking" as in Peking Duck, is just a different/older spelling/transliteration of "Beijing" since it's "Pekino" in Esperanto

    Been eating Peking Duck for years, never really stopped to consider where or what Peking was until then.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    In Dutch we call the city Peking also. Never knew why it was Bejing in English, figured maybe that's what the Chinese say for it

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Old US person here, we used to call it Peking too. I think (haven't looked it up, but it was what I was told at the time we changed it) it's a less-accurate version from Westerners who didn't really listen or asked the wrong person, and Beijing is closer to how the people who live there pronounce it.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Westerners who didn't really listen or asked the wrong person

    Or it was simply the best attempt at the time! Idk if you've ever tried to transcribe even your own words phonetically (where you know what sounds you're enunciating) or tried to guess the spelling (much simpler than phonetics) for a new-to-you word in a foreign language even if you understand the language nearly as well (just don't have the vocab yet) as a native speaker. It's really super hard to find letters for sounds!

    There's people whose job is nothing but finding and arguing over the most accurate transcription, e.g. for dictionaries or research, of languages that long have a dictionary, pronunciation guides, learning materials, etc., but are wrong a decent fraction of the time.
    Or when they're not wrong, they're getting outdated with evolving speech, e.g. "train" has shifted to something like "tchrain" but Merriam Webster claims the transcription is trān while their example pronunciation sounds out [tʒreˑjnə] (loosely: tchraaine) if you listen closely and compare to IPA charts (compare with their entry for "chart", where they show the ch in the transcription but not the initial t! That looks to me like shart! lol)

    We might need to give the olden times phoneticians more credit than this 😄. Of course I wasn't there for it either but I was triggered by what sounds like a dismissive default assumption about people not doing their job properly while in reality we usually all try our best 🙂

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  • [–] 35 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Buckaroo comes from the inability to pronounce/ the mispronunciation of the Spanish word for cowboy, Vaquero.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago

    Also cool - the Spanish word for jeans is vaquero. So the English word for vaccine and the spanish word for blue jeans are both derived from the Latin word for "cow". I always thought that was neat.

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  • [–] 35 points 6 months ago

    Boondocks, meaning a remote place, entered English from the Tagalog word bundok, meaning mountain. American soldiers returning from occupying the Philippines introduced it in the early 20th century.

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  • [–] 34 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    In Latin sinister means left (as in the direction), but later it also meant evil or unlucky. That led to the Old French senestre and sinistre, meaning false or unfavorable. Then finally the English sinister meaning malicious.

    The etymology for left (especially in reference to handedness) in multiple languages is actually pretty discriminatory.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    I learned a while ago that the opposite of ambidextrous is ambisinister. The "left" origin of the word sinister gives a bit more context, as if describing someone who had two left hands!

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    I've heard "a diestra y siniestra" in Spanish which means left and right but it's Latin and left in Spanish is actually izquierda which doesn't have clear etymology. Most popular theory is that it comes from Basque language and somehow substituted 'siniestra' at some point but it's contested. It's mostly agreed it comes from some language that predated Romans and Latin, probably from Pyrenees but no one knows which language that was for sure.

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  • [–] 32 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    The word "standard," meaning "level of quality" or "rule" evolved from the physical battle flag on a pole, as in "standard bearer." So for things like standardized lengths of measurement, you could say "we follow the king's standard for what a foot is," which was a metaphor for following the king's rule on what that length was. That further stretched into a level of quality or conduct that needed to be achieved.

    This might be obvious to some, but I only recently realized. A standard was originally a flag on a poll, meant to be visible across a battlefield as a direction for all to follow.

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  • [–] 57 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (12 children)

    I've always found it fun how in Germanic (and Romance) languages, we still honor the old gods when it comes to the days of the week. Like wednesday being "Wodan's/Odin's day" and thursday being "Thor's day". I wonder how many devout christians realize this.

    I also think the etymology of the German word "Buchstaben" (letter, as in a,b,c) is pretty interesting. It literally means "beech rod" and goes back all the way to Germanic tribespeople carving runes into rods made from beechwood.

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  • [–] 25 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

    English names of days are weird. You have the day of the sun and the moon, ok. Fine. Then Tuesday - Friday are norse gods (Tyr, Odin, Thor, Freya), but what's Saturday doing there?! Saturn is a completely different pantheon!

    In Czech we have it simple - Monday is "after Sunday", then there's Secondday, Middleday, Fourthday, Fifthday, Sabbath and Not-working-day.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    The Norse called Saturday "Laugerdagr" which translates to washing day/laundry day. They apparently thought doing the wash was equal to worship of their gods. Which, I don't totally disagree. (Cleanliness is next to godliness)

    The church wasn't having that though... So they went with the roman God of time. Saturn.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    My understanding, though it could be mistaken because I am not a scholar, is that the Germanic peoples were going through and replacing the Roman gods with Norse equivalents. But then they got to Saturn and were like "Hmm, there's not really a good 1-to-1 match here, so I guess he stays"

    That might be fully untrue though. 😅

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    It's funny how I was learning Brazilian Portuguese and the days of the week are like Sábado (Saturday), Domingo (Sunday), but then everything starts becoming "days of the fair", segunda-feira, terça-feira, quarta-feira, quinta-feira, sexta-feira...

    And I, an English speaker, have the gall to still find this confusing when it comes to intuitively using non-weekends.

    Like "BuT wHiCh DaY iS tHoR's DaY?!" Asks the Californian who's never been a Norseman to their knowledge 😂

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

    Same in Swedish, "bokstav". Beech staff. Funny enough, bok also means book. Maybe the etymology for book comes from that. Or vice versa.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    Freya's lucky number was 13.

    Christian missionaries trying to convert the Norse heathens spread the concept of Friday the 13th being unlucky to turn people from the old ways

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  • [–] 28 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Denim= De Nîmes (from the city of Nîmes)

    Jeans = Gênes , the French weird for Genoa.

    The cotton weave, indigo dyed cloth originated in Genoa, and in France the main production centre was Nîmes.

    So 'denim jeans' is both a tautology and a contradiction

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  • [–] 28 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    'Bully' used to mean good friend. There's a scene in Shakespeare (who else?) where he talks about someone sending his bully boys to teach someone a lesson, meaning he sent his close friends. But, over time, people took it to mean his thuggish friends and so the word's meaning shifted.

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  • [–] 27 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Fascinate - The oldest meaning of fascinate, “to bewitch” or “to cast a spell over,” comes from the word’s origins in the Latin word for “evil spell.” Over time, that meaning has broadened to mean “to cause to be very interested in,” the idea of “evil” dropping away and leaving the idea of a “spell” or something that attracts and holds our attention.

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/wordplay/evil-origin-of-fascinate

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  • [–] 27 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Mayday comes from French m'aidez which is pronounced similarly, and simply means "help me!"

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    A lot of naval radio lingo is based on poorly pronounced French.

    Source: Certified radio operator. I don't speak French, but I still need to say "Seelonce fini" (probably not spelled like that) from time to time. And there's the periodic "securitee"-broadcasts.

    There's also "pan pan", but I'm not sure if that's French.
    EDIT: It's also from French, derived from "panne"

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Piggybacking off of this one, the reason we say "niner" in the radio to mean "nine" is to prevent it from being mistaken for the German word for no, nein.

    The Pilot/Controller Glossary also insists you pronounce "five" as "fife." Good Luck, With That.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)
  • Partially because NATO has members that don't speak English as a first language and how else do you clarify how to pronounce "five" without resorting to IPA? It's kind of why they insist 4 is pronounced "Fo-wer."

    The v sound is so soft that communication grade radios will sand it off so it sounds like "fie" or "fah" depending. The vowel sound is similar to "nine", add in some static or pushing the PTT a little too slow and you might mistake "iev" for "ien", another reason to say niner and to NOT say fiver.

    Insisting that you say "Climb and maintain Fife thousand Fife hundred, turn left heading One Fife Niner" makes sure it sounds like words on the far end of the radio.

    I've also seen some glossaries insist 3 is pronounced "tree" because pronouncing fricatives strong enough to come across on the radio is hard for some NATO member states.

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  • [–] 26 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    This isn't a common term but it's something I recently learned that's kind of funny - the country Timor-Leste is named from the Malay word timur, meaning "east", and the Portuguese word leste, meaning "east". So it's literally "East East".

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  • [–] 23 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    In English, the words for many animals (chicken, cow, sheep, deer, pig) are derived from proto-germanic, while the word for their meat (poultry, beef, mutton, venison, pork) is French derived.

    Bonus: A good chunk of river names are just "River" in the local language. So many River Rivers from newcomers adopting the river names, not knowing it just means "river"

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I just want to add that a great much of English is German and French.

    For example "question" is Germanic rooted while "interrogate" is French.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    If I were to be pedantic, I don’t know if it’s correct to say that much of English is German as such. Modern standard German/Hochdeutsch and English have a common ancestor but that split was a very long time ago now. You could say that the grammar is better preserved in German but you could say the same about Dutch, or English‘s closest living sibling - Frisian. „German“ has gone through a great many changes from Proto-Germanic, and still, there’s a mess of different dialects/languages from different family branches in one modern state.

    There’s probably a similar argument about the French influence (Norman wasn’t French per se but a closely related Romance language) but I don’t know enough about that.

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  • [–] 23 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

    It gets even better than that - Neander also changed his name from German Neumann "new man" to Greek Ne-Ander (also "new man"). So, Neanderthals, the "newly discovered men" were coincidentally from the "new man valley", named after a guy who changed his name from "new man" to "new man".

    The "thal" in Neanderthal, meaning "valley", is also the word from which we get the money denomination "thaler", whence "dollar"!

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  • [–] 22 points 6 months ago

    This reminds me of the bird called the canary which means dog. It gets its name because some islands were discovered that had a bunch of wild dogs, and they named them the Canary Islands (from canine). Later on it was discovered that a small yellow bird was endemic to the islands so they named it after the place they lived.

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  • [–] 22 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    In Russian the days of the week are mostly numbers, e.g. Tuesday is the second day, so Tuesday is Вторник, which comes from второй (second) and the suffix -ник for day. But Monday is not перник as you would expect (первых + ник), instead Monday is Понедельник. This is short for после (after) не (not) делать (doing) -ник (day), i.e the day after not doing anything (Sunday).

    In Finnish a tietosanakirja is an encyclopedia, this is a composed word made from tieto (knowledge) and sanakirja (Dictionary). But also sanakirja is a composed word made out from sana (word) and kirja (book). So an encyclopedia is a book of words of knowledge.

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    In English, the days of the week are named for Norse gods (or the pantheon)... All except Saturday. Sunday... The sun Monday... The moon Tuesday... Tew/Tiw, Norse god of war and justice Wednesday... Wodin (Odin), the all father Thursday... Thor, God of lightning and thunder Friday... Freyja, the lady, goddess of love.

    Except Saturday. The Norse called Saturday laundry day. Laugerdagr. Great word actually....

    But the English wouldn't have it so they went with the roman God Saturn for Saturday.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    But the English wouldn't have it so they went with the roman God Saturn for Saturday.

    And what makes this even weirder is that in the Roman languages all days are Roman Gods EXCEPT Saturday and Sunday. But there is an explanation for both these things, and it becomes quite clear when you know the days in some Latin language, e.g. in Spanish it's:

    • Lunes: Moon (Luna) day
    • Martes: Mars (Marte) day
    • Miércoles: Mercury (Mercurio) day
    • Jueves: Jupiter day
    • Viernes: Venus day

    The interesting is the obvious conversion:

    • Moon day -> Monday
    • God of war: Mars -> Tew -> Tuesday
    • God of thunder: Jupiter -> Thor -> Thursday
    • God of love: Venus -> Freya -> Friday

    Wednesday should have been Hermsday for Hermod who's the God of messages equivalent to Mercury, but I think they thought it was bad not having a day for the allfather and gave him Wednesday.

    What about the weekend? In Spanish (and most other roman languages) they are:

    • Sábado: Latinization of Jew's Shabat
    • Domingo: Dominicus, i.e. the day of the Lord

    As you can see at some point Latin languages started using their new christian religion to name days, but before that those days were:

    • Saturni: Saturn day -> Saturday
    • Soli: Sun (Sol) day -> Sunday

    So as you can see the days of the week in English are mostly the days of the week from ancient Rome, just adapted to a different culture.

    But why didn't they change Saturday and Sunday? My guess is that because the equivalent of Saturn is Freyr the name would have been too similar to his sister's day Friday. As for Sunday, in earlier Roman history the Sun wasn't an important god so Sunday might actually reference the sun and not the deity so no need to convert it. And in later periods the Sun represented Roman imperialism and centralized power so they wouldn't want that one changed. But these are just guesses from my part, if anyone knows the real reason I would love to hear it.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Lørdag is bath day. The vikings would bathe on Saturdays. Also laundry. I suspect it needed to be a tradition in order for people to get into the cold water without complaining.

    The English Saturday is from latin, roman god Saturn.

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