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[–] 44 points 6 months ago*
[–] 30 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Same comment as the last time I saw this:

DEATH IS A PREFERABLE ALTERNATIVE TO HETERONORMATIVITY

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    GIVE ME HOMONORMATIVITY OR GIVE ME DEATH no that doesn't feel right, I just don't like norms. Fuck your heteronormativity right in the whee hole? That doesn't feel protesty enough. The heteronormativity the is too German. "I hate every ape I see from chimpan A to chimpan Z. No you'll never make a hetero out of me" is too long, but the tune is right.

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    They seem to forget that negotiation is a relatively recent concept in the galaxy which replaced being killed and eaten.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago

    I agree with this. Remember, we are not free until we are ALL free. Trans rights are non negotiable. Brown people's rights are non negotiable. Women's rights are non negotiable.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    Until Trump got elected again and MAGAs came to power.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago

    No I have one lgbtq right I would like to negotiate, regarding beach volleyball. In exchange for giving the queer community unlimited beach volleyball, I would like to also give the community free crotch kicks on Florida beevis (he'll survive longer than Krasnov and I want to get good use of the ol' unlimited crotch kicks)

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  • [–] -2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    It's definitely a good idea to associate gay rights with imperialism, certainly can't backfire in any way. Gay rights sink refugee boats before they can cross the Mediterranean. Gay rights bomb America's enemies into submission and render them failed states with slave markets. Gay rights are the boot on the neck of the third world.

    My point here is that whoever made this should be hanged.

    e: or to put it a different way "let's bring the gays down with us!"

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    [–] 132 points 10 months ago (15 children)

    Wait, people have to censor the word Nazi now? How far down the drain of fuckedness has the US swirled? Has anyone read 1984? This is as close to newspeak as you could possibly get.

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  • [–] 80 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

    Its Twitter.

    Its run by a Nazi.

    And no, performative semi-censorship is not the closest thing to NewSpeak.

    That would be probably be corpospeak, the art of using a lot of vague yet fancy terms to say basically nothing of any precise meaning.

    Either that or what TikTok has done to psychology terminology, warping and misunderstanding so many phrases that we now have 'therapyspeak' as a similar set of vocabulary terms that have vague and undefined meanings, because so many people use them so innapropriately, so often, that they basically mean nothing in a general, non specialized context.

    As an example: Trauma bond.

    People seem to think this means that people who suffer together, grow a bond between each other, based in overcoming shared struggles due to / caused by external stressors.

    That's not a trauma bond.

    A trauma bond is more like when someone is consistently mistreated and abused by another person, that first person cannot really imagine life without that second person, without being oriented around them, so the idea of totally disconnecting from their abuser is itself existentially terrifying, and they thus paradoxically begin to defend the relationship with abuser.

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago* (3 children)

    I don't know, I don't think you can be a language prescriptivist like this, and it hasn't happened because of TikTok.

    To your point, the Dawn Wall feat. Tommy Caldwell came out in 2017. Even back then the marriage between Tommy and his first wife was described as the result of a trauma bond due to a terrifying kidnapping situation they survived together.

    It is fine to say, "Trauma Bond means X in a medical context" but if people use a word to mean something, the dictionary changes to reflect that.

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

    I can be a language prescriptivist like this, and the increase in overuse and misuse of psychological terminology is very very significantly due to how it proliferates and warps on TikTok.

    (Though of course this also occurs on other social media platforms, and bleeds over between them, and into other cultural spaces.)

    (But, with TikTok specifically, we have academic studies showing that around half of the 'psychological advice' given on TikTok is significantly misleading, and a portion of that is found to be dangerously misleading, when evaluated for actual accuracy by actual psychologists. Its misinformation, definitionally.)

    These are technical terms, and their broad overuse and misuse by lay people who don't know what the fuck they're talking about is a significant problem.

    This is such a significant problem that many psychologists on TikTok and YouTube have videos calling out how much of a problem this is, how perverted psychology terminology is now at the point where it serves as a dialect by which narcissistic abusers can manipulate people and avoid responsibility and accountability.

    I don't care that some particular story from some particular book may or may not have served as a a starting point for one of these terms to be misunderstood by laypeople, beyond an etymological sense of understanding the process by which this has occured for that particular term.

    I care about the harm caused by the weaponization of language.

    That a bunch of people are confused and wrong about something does not make them....valid in their misuse of words.

    It makes them into psuedo-experts (where psuedo means basically 'false' or 'fake'), misusing technical terminology the same way that woo peddlers and scammers and con artists and grifters do.


    NewSpeak is ultimately the concept of manipulating language such that certain previously thinkable concepts become unthinkable. In 1984, this is done in a deliberate, top down, mandated fashion.

    What Orwell did not forsee (or at least, exemplify in 1984) was the nature of mass digital communications, the proliferation of basically absurd amounts of nonsense, as another means of making the communication of certain concepts very difficult.

    TherapySpeak is extremely good at providing a toolset for social manipulators to criticize anyone who criticizes any of their actions or choices, of reframing themselves as either being reasonable and fair, or as themselves actually being the victim.

    So, through a more complex process, it becomes much more difficult, much less socially acceptable for people who have been harmed by these kinds of manipulative people to express and describe that harm.

    Orwell did not forsee that this could happen in a bottom up fashion... but its not truly a bottom up fashion.

    Corporate social media uses algorithims that primarily optimize based amount the amount of rage that they cause, optimize based around the amount of controversy they cause.

    Then, they crowd source the content.

    Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard

    Zuck: Just ask.

    Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS

    [Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one?

    Zuck: People just submitted it.

    Zuck: I don't know why.

    Zuck: They "trust me"

    Zuck: Dumb fucks

    This functions as an insidious, warped way of manipulating all of culture such that it rewards self centered egomaniacs, and also strongly encourages the formation of literal cults.

    Its a more complex way that a top down paradigm of media established by the powerful leads to the seemingly natural and unplanned growth/evolution of language...

    ... but its no more natural than the artificial selection of wheat or various dog breeds by humans over centuries and eons.

    It just happens much faster, and seemingly unintentionally, from the standpoint of the crowd whose ideas are being selectively promoted or demoted by those who wrote and control the algorithms, the crowd that has forgotten that the water they are swimming in is an artificially constructed hyperreality, which is directed with intention by those who control it.

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  • [–] 69 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Every day nazis and religious fascists make their opponents seem cooler than they really are. Nato is nowhere near this based.

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  • [–] 59 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    DEATH IS A PREFERABLE ALTERNATIVE TO HETERONORMATIVITY

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  • [–] 25 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Ok now you have me thinking of a drag liberty prime.

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago

    Voice module online.

    Audio functionality test... initialized.

    Designation: LGBT Prime. Mission: the Liberation of The Gays.

    ...Obstruction detected. Composition: Pinheaded bigot supplemented by authoritarian propaganda.

    Revised stratagem: Initiate photonic resonance overcharge. Probability of mission hindrance: zero percent.

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago (3 children)
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    I'm assuming that the original intent was that it's "non-negotiable" in the sense that it will never be allowed, but the term "non-negotiable" usually means the opposite, that it must happen....

    So they're stupid?

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago

    Bahahahahaha, rare botfarm W

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago

    Once I dreamed that there was a Japanese language book "Japanese is non-negotiable", and it was full of pro-NATO memes.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I remember seeing this on those nato music video style stuff - popular around 21, I dont think it was meant as a mockery then

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    The whole joke is that they can ban gay marriage in Russia. Literally nobody wants to stop them. Its when you dictate your rules on other sovereign states that theres backlash.

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    *human rights.

    No matter what you identify as or what your sexual preferences are!

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    NATO should make an official slogan of it and sell t-shirts

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    [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    Neo Naz? Is that some deep-cut background Star Wars character?

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  • [+] -16 points 10 months ago (18 children)

    The message is good but NATO is not a good thing just because Russia sucks stop lionizing it.

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  • [+] 19 points 10 months ago (6 children)
  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago* (4 children)

    its literally an imperialist alliance. We saw what they did in iraq, libya, yugoslavia etc. killed thousands of innocent people

    fuck it.

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  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago* (2 children)

    Ah yes, post-breakup Yugoslavia and Libya, famously places where everything was great there was no violence until the West showed up.

    Iraq is a more legit example, since that was under false pretences, but like the other user noted most of NATO refused.

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    Why do you think NATO was created? Would the Russians have stopped in Berlin if they were free to advance further? Of course not. Where other nations measure their success in GDP per capita or in providing social services and job security to their citizens, Russia has from its conception measured success in only one way: territorial expansion. The human cost of this expansion on either side is irrelevant. When Moscow was looking to expand their influence in every direction imaginable, the only course of action for Europe and the US was to band together to have a strong enough opposition to keep the Russians at bay. The past decade has shown that NATO is still relevant and needed by all member states.

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  • [–] -4 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    NATO itself is imperialist tho

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (3 children)

    Oh, I'm looking forward to hearing the mental gymnastics behind this one

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago

    rights are NOT pie. seriously!

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  • [–] -5 points 10 months ago

    Liberals often use similar imagery as excuse to bomb middle east/third world. Got it

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