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[–] 68 points 7 months ago (1 child)

Good way to ensure that whatever regime rises from the ashes will be even more backwards than the last.

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  • [–] 118 points 7 months ago (30 children)

    regardless of what anyone might think of Iran, this is evil

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  • [–] 43 points 7 months ago (28 children)

    What anyone thinks of Iran should pale in comparison to what they think of the US. Truly the most evil nation since Nazi Germany.

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  • [+] -15 points 7 months ago (27 children)

    did you forget Russia exists? or China?

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  • [–] 16 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    You mean the two countries tied for 3rd place in the most evil country competition?

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  • [+] -8 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    recency bias and the US outsized reputation makes it seem that I’m sure but lol if you think this is true

    we’re just more free to complain about it, probably not for much longer though

    so if you think it’s bad now buckle up and I say this as a generational casualty of US colonialism

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  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    Its not receny bias. The US didnt just turn evil in Jan 2025.

    How are are all those black prisoners working in privatised prisons doing by the way?

    China has 4 times the population as the US, yet the US still has the largest prison population on Earth.

    Slavery never ended in america.

    Land of the free my hole. Its literally the least free country on the planet.

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  • [–] -3 points 7 months ago*

    who said anything about 2025? even if you want to peg the US evil starting with Nixon (which isn’t perfectly true as we were war profiteering in ww1/2) that’s recent, the US is a baby nation

    now you’re just throwing strawman arguments, I don’t support any of this shit the US is currently doing, it’s just stupid to think China hasn’t done worse in the last century, isn't doing equally evil shit now

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  • [–] 33 points 7 months ago (13 children)

    Both are bad, neither is worse than the US.

    Just going by invasions and regime changes alone the US takes the cake. That’s before you get into the spreading crack into black communities, chemical weapons on civilians, drone strikes on children, ecological destruction, genocide enabling, etc etc.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago* (8 children)

    i hate defending the US because it has had more direct bad impact on my life but by measure of lost life i’d still argue modern Russia is worse, and if we lump current China to not even that long ago China the numbers killed are not even close

    the scale of China’s population just blows it all out of proportion

    Nazi Germany wasn’t even the worst genocide of its time (what a putrid statement though true)

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (4 children)

    by measure of lost life i’d still argue modern Russia is worse

    Idk what lost life you're counting, because it's pretty well known that civilian casualties in just the Iraq war most likely dwarf Ukrainian losses.

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  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    ffs google, it is painful when i can tell people are not even trying and just mad at the US

    i get it i do, US is doing bad shit but it’s obvious you’re not even trying to look

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (2 children)

    Oh indeed thanks for telling me that I need to google your vague and in no way clarified idea of what Russia is doing, when I can read goddamn Russian language itself and have been reading independent Russian-language opposition media covering Russian reality for ages, and know a whole lot more about it than you do.

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  • [–] -2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

    50+million chinese people and the ughyger genocide people would like to have a word with you. looks like .ML have come in droves to defend CCP/and russian genocide, must be nice to support that. Also white genocide isnt a thing, you racist.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (3 children)

    By numbers US is probably worse but the level of cruelty from Russia is unmatched outside of terrorist organizations

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    Would it really be tho?

    Like the US targets children and social gatherings to attack, tortures/rapes/murders innocent civilians in black sites, keeps a racial based underclass who they hook on drugs, violently assault from childhood, and lock up in record numbers to serve as legal slave labour. That’s pretty fucking cruel stuff.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    Also invades small countries on whim, votes against the well-being of humankind, meddle in other countries' affairs, has been in war for more than 90% of it's existence, never held itself accountable, experiments on its own citizens, and is ruled by a cabal of paedophiles.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    not to get all tankie on you, but China has thus far managed to restrain themselves from bombing other countries' civilian populations.

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  • [+] -6 points 7 months ago* (7 children)

    dude spend two min googling ‘Chinese atrocities from 1900’

    like again I really don’t want to frame this like the US is the good guy, the US is not, but as a matter of scale currently China is still worse

    China has been worse than Nazi Germany

    all that said, US is trying real hard to be #1 in something again so yay!

    fuck I hate this

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    dude spend two min googling ‘Chinese atrocities from 1900’

    Ok, I did that exact thing verbatim, and the entire first page of results are things that happened before anyone here was born.

    I'm not about to claim they're saintly in any way, for sure they have lots of well-documented internal issues with civil liberties, free speech, and oppression of minority groups, but the fact that you're going so far into the past to make your case just makes it a case in support of the opposite view.

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  • [–] -3 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    recency bias, there are people still alive that were directly impacted

    but thank you for actually reading about it

    but yes the US is bad, i’m not defending it

    but sure as fuck China doesn’t get to hand wave the past away

    and not all of their evils have stopped

    they’re just not being currently ran by an orange buffoon

    the US had evil shit going on under Obama and yet the world image of the US was much better then

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Do explain how China has been worse than Nazi Germany, sounds like delusion.

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  • [–] 50 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    All they are doing is creating generations of future enemies.

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  • [–] 20 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Bold of you to assume the US and Israel will last generations in their current forms.

    The Nazis didn't create generations of future enemies for Germany.

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  • [+] -7 points 7 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    Why on earth would they not want death to the west? It's not like we haven't deserved it. Israel is way more extreme than either Hamas or Hezbollah. That's what happens when you create an ethnostate, arm them to the teeth, and back them unconditionally for generations.

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    [–] 36 points 7 months ago

    They also bombed the largest factory producing anti-cancer drugs and other medical facilities.
    More than 600 schools have also been hit.
    The USSA is as bad as the Shitraeli genociders.
    Absolute monsters.

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  • [–] 16 points 7 months ago

    I remember them saying and acting like Iraq was always a place of poor literacy, conflict, and poverty and a stone age culture.

    Without ever acknowledging that this was basically the point (which many said in the lead up to the war in 2002) of the Iraq war.

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  • [–] 23 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Israel is the enemy of all humanity. Earth will not be in peace until these religious lunatics are destroyed.

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago

    The United States of ISISrael

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago

    also following PUTINS lead, considering this was the pretext of lifting sanctions russian oil.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago (10 children)

    Also the USA

    Why does everyone hate us? We are good people, nice people, nobody should hate us!

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    Hate the government and the people who support it, not all Americans!

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Is it, though?

    Who voted for him? And more importantly, who did not vote at all? Because all those tards that decided for whatever reason not to vote got us here as well and with that group added, we're talking the vast majority of Americans.

    Add to that that the best resistance we've seen so far were the failed and sad little no kings protests... Seriously, please look at europe on how to protest. These protests in the US did squat, nothing changed, it barely hit the news anymore.

    So yeah, between Iranians being born into a theocratic dictatorship and Americans who could and should know better, pretending to "rule the free world", I feel Americans carry a lot more responsibility for the actions of their government than Iranians

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Americans have been supporting this kind of shit for decades, they're all complicit at this point.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (3 children)

    Yes, all people born into oppressive regimes that are often racistly holding them down are complicit. By that logic, the victims of apartheid states deserve it?

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  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    There haven't been any coups. No one has taken power by force (not since they genocided the native civilizations, at least). A vast majority of Americans have voted time and time again, for decades, for this shit, and will keep doing so if there are any elections after Taarump.

    Egoism, racism, imperialism, murder, child abuse, and runaway untethered capitalism are core American values. Basic principles upon which their culture is built. Don't compare them to actual victims. They reap what they sow.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    I'm trying to understand the logical conclusion of your viewpoint. Do you believe even the victims of racial oppression, often also in the form of voter suppression, are responsible for all the crimes past and present of the country they found themselves trapped in?

    Are you also personally responsible for any reprehensible behavior the country you were born in has committed, past or present?

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    I'm responsible for the actions of the governments I vote for, and those of the governments I don't rebel against. As are American citizens.

    Many of the victims of racial oppression in the USA had no problem voting for Trump, or previous criminals who held offices in their government. I'm sure most of them happily voted for Obama, another mass murderer like the majority of US presidents in history.

    Because as all Americans they share those rotten core values, and will happily vote for anyone who'll act like a bully and harm the weak, ignoring that he'll also hurt them.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    He is not satisfied destroying education in the just US.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Its a war of extermination.

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  • [+] -8 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Yes but some of them chanted Death to America – completely uncalled for – so what goes around comes around

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (13 children)

    Oh god who let .ml and hexbear into these comments

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago (10 children)

    Muting those instances made Lemmy a lot more pleasant. Highly recommended

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  • [+] -6 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    And thus, debate is dead, and your cozy bubble is formed. I get banning troll users, but banning a whole instance is a step towards killing what the federation is supposed to stand for.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    I get what you're saying, but there is no objective defence for what is Russia doing in Europe. Anyone who sides with Russia or defends Russia either has personal interests in it, or the person is so easily brainwashed they're more dangerous than LLMs

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    [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    I mean they already killed their own.

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  • [+] -5 points 7 months ago (1 child)
  • [+] -11 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    O.K. call me super nieve but and I mean a HUGE BUT, what if it became an actual working democracy? I know it sounds absolutely coo coo insane-o-style but a democracy with rules for the almost but not quite equal capitalism we once had. A regulated capitalism that doesn't squash indevidual , independent voice. Or smother it with Hush money.

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