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[–] 163 points 7 months ago

“Between dealing with minority oppression, general uncertainty, and the rush to replace artists and those who pursued knowledge with machines, it feels like there is no future for me or my craft.”

Jesus...

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  • [–] 51 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Well, according Nvidia, they're all wrong, so who are you going to believe?

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  • [–] 90 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    When a product's most promosing feature is you can turn it off, you might have a problem.

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  • [–] 21 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    It's not like anyone can turn it on anyway, thing need two 5090 to even function, and they're one of those buying all the ram which caused ram shortage, which mean no one can run it well. They're essentially making a tools for no one.

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  • [+] 21 points 7 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I'm not okay with the doomerist take. Remember Amazon Luna and Google Stadia hit huge uptake failures and the latter completely died. Raytracing was vastly overhyped and ended up being turned off by most people, basically becoming a passing trend that rarely gets turned on for some niches.

    GPU SKUs tend not to move around much. The ones used for cloud streaming are built for that purpose (if you ever played Geforce Now, then entered the video settings, it's some obscure server card). So it's doubtful they'd have anything "sitting around".

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    Yeah, we currently have issue with server/client latency right now in games why the ever loving fuck would anyone think adding another link in that chain would be better or even usable.

    I have the best internet I can get in my area, its fairly good and above the average but I still have plenty of issues since games are often hosted on the cheapest option often far far away. Hell I was visiting my friend and his son is a big fortnite kid and got to see them rage quit trying to play during update day due to very very bad lag. That is fortnite, the most accessible game I think is currently around.

    The whole idea that these game streaming services are even viable more then 100kms from the streaming location is kinda flawed. We have shit infrastructure and if anything it is getting worse as games and telecoms are cutting corners more and more. This is kinda a silly way to try to sell unsellable hardware and unsellable AAA games in a market where more and more consumers don't care as much about super photo realistic games and can not afford new hardware. 100% this push to serverside streaming of games is just a thing to sell investors on the idea that their business model is not doomed (it is doomed however).

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  • [+] 39 points 7 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (15 children)
  • [–] 30 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    From my experience - people who abuse AI don't see AI's cracks any longer. Their writing changes. How they see things.

    It's like the plastic surgery people. They don't realize how weird and off-putting they look.

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  • [+] 15 points 7 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)
  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    😅 Hey there fellow human Fediverse user!

    ✈️ Wanna get away from all the AI slop?

    👍 Well you are in the right place.

    😎 Lists are great, and bulleted lists are classy, but emoji-bullet lists are the coolest most human thing ever!

    🧐 Using glue in place of pizza sauce actually binds the fat and makes it more healthy!

    🫡 Do YOU have two 5090s on order like a good person?

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    No sane person is going to spend that massive amount of money just to see what AI thinks their games could look like. The people who buy games want to see what the devs made them look like. Not what an AI thinks the devs made. Absolutley no one wants a middleman between the art and artist. As that's supposed to be you. We don't need AI there. That's dumb as shit, and expensive as shit to boot.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    No sane person is going to spend that massive amount of money

    I do remember a friend who dropped $1200 on linked GeForce 1040s(?) to max out the settings in Elder Scrolls: Oblivion.

    Was it worth it? Probably not. Will people with more money than sense do it? Absolutely.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Not to say your wrong, because your right. But developers absolutely waste time on sub 1% player stuff, just look at mmos.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    the cost

    I have a suspicion that they are ramping up to the acceptance of cost-prohibitive technologies in order to eventually transition people into cloud based gaming rig services. I can envision a AAA title that is sold as a service and cannot be run on a reasonable computer

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    If this is the master plan, a lot of these people might be very worried to learn about how expansive the indie sphere of gaming is across the whole world, encompassing what used to be AAA genres like 3D survival horror, platforming action games, etc.

    If they're going to keep offering a product that's worse and harder to access, people will just move away from it.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    And, to be fair, it is.

    It's not. The Resident Evil side-by-side is the clearest example.

    You took what was supposed to be a grim, shadowy, grungy, dusty set piece and you made it brighter, cleaner, smoother, and happier. That subverts the whole mood of the game. Now imagine DLSS 5 doing this same kind of work on a shambling zombie or a Licker or William Birkin from RE2. You really want your super mutants and murder hobos to get this kind of glow-up?

    This reminds me of an old mod that got rid of all the fog in Silent Hill. People posted it to joke about how it destroyed the entire vibe, making large parts of the setting trivially easy to solve.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Even if I opened the hardware, I wouldn't use it. I want what the artist intended, not what some AI slops together. That goes for games, movies, books, paintings, etc. I'm not paying for AI, it brings no value to me. I didn't care if it's a filter, or something generated from a prompt.

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  • [–] 61 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    I'm just gonna copy & paste my comment from another thread on the topic:

    They don’t care. Nobody thinks this is a meaningful announcement, it’s just another pretense to justify AI as Nvidia and much of the entire US economy are so deeply sunken-cost invested in the “future AI ecosystem” that they just need any headlines to keep the machine churning. That’s what this is. Doesn’t mean it isn’t real and gamers won’t have to suffer with it, but no point of this is actually to make anyone’s gaming experience better in any way.

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  • [–] 20 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    I don't think it's really aimed at gamers though. It's a tech demo for what their hardware can do. They say that it was run on a dedicated 5090 which means that to get the same result, you have to be running the game on a 5090 and have a second 5090 just for DLSS5.

    This isn't meant for consumers. It's aimed at sectors of the market that want realtime gen AI processing of realtime footage, whether 3D generated or live action.

    I think they're purposely taking the backlash from the gaming community, which they obviously don't care about anymore, to showcase the tech to a different market.

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  • [–] 111 points 7 months ago* (4 children)

    Someone: Hey nvidia, make this look better!

    Nvidia: i got this bro!

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    Pikachu is meant to be a mouse though, kinda not very fitting.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago*

    Well that reinforces the point of the critique.

    It invents an intent that may be inconsistent with the original vision.

    E.g. it just assumes girls should all be wearing makeup, which may be very much at odds with the character or the scenario.

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  • [–] 60 points 7 months ago (18 children)

    My thoughts on this corpulent technology can be summed up by some brilliant thinkers.

    "Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius—and a lot of courage—to move in the opposite direction." – E.F. Schumacher

    "The cheapest, fastest, and most reliable components of a computer system are those that aren't there." – Gordon Bell

    "Keep it simple. A simple solution has elegance. It is the result of an exacting effort to understand the real problem and is recognized by its compelling sense of rightness. I stress this point because it contradicts the conventional view that power increases with complexity. Simplicity provides confidence, reliability, compactness, and speed." – Charles Moore

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (17 children)

    Corpulent means fat. Is the technology fat?

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago (16 children)

    I think they're not using it literally. In this context, corpulent just means bloated/gross. That is also its literal definition.

    So I think the word works here.

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  • [+] -8 points 7 months ago (15 children)

    I've never seen it used figuratively, and all the examples in the dictionary are literal, but maybe it'll catch on.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (12 children)

    I have only seen it used figuratively, why are you like this?

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  • [–] -3 points 7 months ago (11 children)
  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (10 children)

    I have never once read corpulent in my life describing the physical state of an individual, it has always been about over indulgence or bloated or overly baroque style. Not saying it has not been used in a way to describe a fat person but that I am not able to prove a negative.

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  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    Ok, but what am I like that you were asking about?

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    Ah, you seem to have some issues with literary devices. The question was what is called "rhetorical" and was not meant to be answered or taken literally.

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  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    Rhetorical questions are supposed to make a point, and I'm asking you what that point was.

    Now my question is semi-rhetorical because while you could answer, it's pretty clear that your question was just a phrase you saw somewhere that you're trying to use as an insult even if it doesn't quite fit the context.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Ok, why are you like this? Non rhetorical this time, as this is not even grammar nazi at this point but a complete lack of understanding of the even the possibility of nuance in the written word. Why do you seem to feel the need to ruin any non literal use of descriptive words? What broke in you to make you such a way?

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  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    For the first part, the corpulent thing, I'm just pointing out something that's true. It's unusual to use the word figuratively.

    For everything after that, it's because you're kind of being a dick.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago*

    It's unusual to use the word figuratively.

    Sure, in your experience. I've used and seen it used literally and figuratively.

    For everything after that, it's because you're kind of being a dick.

    Nah, I followed the back and forth and you're the one being a dick trying to gatekeep the usage of a word.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    I just want my games to be fun. Without 2x 5090's.

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  • [–] [S] 12 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Thankfully there are plenty of developers that haven't drank the AI Kool aid and are still cranking out great games that have artistic integrity that didn't require even a single 5090.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    We should make a DLSS5: on meme community.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    I guess the big question is how customizable this will end up being - all the arguments against it seem to assume there's just an on-off switch, and that seems pretty stupid as anything but a tech demo.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (9 children)

    Please don't lynch me. I'm asking because I don't know. Could this be used to change the old games' graphics? It could be a nice addition to modding communities. I would like to play Old Republic games with these graphics again.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Even if it could work that way, I don't think it matters... They used a system with TWO 5090s in it, one to run the game normally, and the ENTIRE OTHER 5090 to run the dlss5 AI rendering bullshit over the top of it.

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  • [+] 1 point 7 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago (14 children)

    "we interviewed only haters and they all of them complained about the thing they hate"

    What a garbage article.

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  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago (11 children)

    yeah it's not like the like/dislike ratio on nvidia's video is overwhelming negative... it's the haters that are wrong!

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  • [+] -9 points 7 months ago (10 children)

    This is such a braindead take that completely misses my original point. I know reading levels have dropped globally but come on now, you can do better.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (9 children)

    you don't have a point, there is nothing to discuss, it's just funny to me that you came to the conclusion that everyone hating on DLSS 5 is just a hater for no reason at all

    only shareholders and gooners love this ai slop filter

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    you don’t have a point, there is nothing to discuss,

    Nice assumption, too bad its wrong.

    Remind me again exactly who was interviewed in this article and what roles they have in?

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (7 children)
  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago* (6 children)

    Yeah. Did you read it? I did. Tell me what you understood from the article you read on the precisely WHO was interviewed, because I have doubts on your reading comprehension.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (5 children)

    there is nothing to discuss about 'haters' because they talked to real game devs not random haters on social media

    read the article, you, read the article, please, go and look what games the devs have made

    GO READ THE ARTICLE

    the only person jumping to conclusions is YOU congrats!

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (4 children)

    ok so I asked you to list precisely what game devs they interviewed and you gave me nothing.

    Thanks for confirming you cannot parse the article of specific info.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (3 children)

    You replied to someone else bud, and I'm not chatgpt for you I won't parse shit

    I literally played a game by doinksoft: GatoRoboto.

    Again, you don't even have a point, unless you can explain why is it relevant who are the game devs? Are they too woke for you? Not enough? Do you think game designers are not game devs? Please explain your point for all of us to read.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (2 children)

    If you bother reading the article, you'll note that the majority of developers interviewed are not people who would need this technology to begin with. Like all technologies, it is a choice to integrate it.

    This article selected specifically for voices that were already against it/had no need for it.

    Whether the tech is good or bad is irrelevant, because the article is horribly biased in one direction.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    Well let's hope the people who NEED it are vocal about it because I don't see them anywhere.

    Idk man I guess former animator for RDR2 doesn't need it. I'm gonna assume you think indie devs or 2D games don't need it.

    I guess only gooners need it, they are gonna integrate it like nude mods and other bs, they already love to pass AI filters on women

    Thanks for making me waste worktime reading the article for the 3rd time today because I was in doubt with myself but every time it stayed the same

    Maybe the article is not biased, maybe, just maybe, the tech deserves this huge backlash because it is trash and nobody asked for it, not even game devs, or whatever you call people who make games but their games are not in need for this tech

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago*

    Maybe the article is not biased, maybe, just maybe, the tech deserves this huge backlash because it is trash and nobody asked for it, not even game devs, or whatever you call people who make games but their games are not in need for this tech

    If you can't recognize bias in an obviously biased article, then your media literacy skills need work so that you can recognize different types of bias.

    Hell even the current popular LLM's, which are glorified statistics chat bots, can see this pattern and identify heavily statistical traits of bias in this article.

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  • [–] -2 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    I'm playing the devil's advocate here because modders have been using other people's assets with or without consents for almost as long as video gsme existed. Sometimes they make things of beauty like skyblivion and sometimes they turn the ugly snake lady of the last resident evil into shrek and sometimes they add big tiddies to every single NPC.

    I agree with the previous comment: the modding community never gave a flying fuck about the creative design of games. Hell, often even devs of the game themselves don't give a flying fuck when you see the "outfits" of some Korean MMORPG.

    Do I think what Nvidia does is smart? Absolutely not. I think it's hot garbage and I think Nvidia CEO will end up in prison when the bubble pops. But I think it makes little sense to jump on moral high horse to argue against what they are doing.

    To me, the decision on how you want to play a game and how you want it to look is for the player to make and nobody else. You offer me a game, I buy it. It's mine. If I want to play vanilla, I'll do it. If I want naked big tiddies shrek instead of Mario, it's my right. I bought this right.

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  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    modders are not putting AI slop on GPU drivers just to boost the company shares

    stop comparing corp actions to individual actions

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    So figured I wouldn't give this attention seeker any more attention but I find it funny this poster shushed you about adults taking when it looks like they abandoned the discussion they were having with me about generative AI vs modding in a heavily downvoted thread, hence the whole agreeing with the previous poster thing.

    Guess this guy didn't want a adult discussion.

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  • [+] -10 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Well, think of it this way:

    China now knows how to shoot down F35s, if you've been following other news.

    Yeah, sorry Taiwan, between that and the US wasting all of its missiles and interceptors on Iran... and dismantling the SK THAAD system for parts, after two of them got destroyed in the GCC...

    Huang is gonna be taking orders, moreso than giving them, in the near future.

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