"Well, first of all, they're completely wrong," Huang said in response to a question from Tom's Hardware editor-in-chief Paul Alcorn about the criticism.

"The reason for that is because, as I have explained very carefully, DLSS 5 fuses controllability of the of geometry and textures and everything about the game with generative AI," Huang continued.

Just a elongated way to say AI slop.

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[–] 233 points 7 months ago (5 children)

I mean he's gotta say people are wrong for not liking it, it's his job to sell it

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  • [–] [S] 117 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    True. I mean we can't exactly expect the CEO of an AI company to admit his AI tool produces AI slop. Got to think about shareholder value after all.

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  • [–] 48 points 7 months ago*

    Anyway outlaw the stock market and shareholders and this won't happen again. It's just a way for rich gambling addicts to bet and rope regular people into it in the hopes of getting rich only for them to lose everything.

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  • [–] 27 points 7 months ago

    It's worse...

    People are saying it's AI slop filter, and he won't shut the fuck up that the slop isn't a filter, it's a main ingredient.

    When enabled it fundamentally changes how it works.

    Developers will be stuck with the default version we've seen, or have to devote a shit ton of money to do twice the work for the people who use this, and they won't see the other version.

    Like, this shit is going to get worse and worse the more people understand it.

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  • [–] 141 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    "completely wrong" and proceeds to say it's just a "fusion".

    It IS an AI slop filter, and you can take it and shove it up your ass alongside all of your stupid jackets.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Wasn't it always an Ai driven filter? What is different about 5 that makes it detestable in comparison?

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    It completely changes the graphics into 'ai slop'. If you look at their examples, it makes the game looks like slop videos.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    This one uses generative AI to "add details" instead of just adding pixels for more resolution. It can decide what a character "should" look like pushing a more homogeneous design to anyone using this since it will be built in training models of who knows what origin.

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  • [–] 114 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Looking forward to the day I boot up a new game and all the characters look like this because I don't have DLSS 9 enabled

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  • [–] 25 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    On the bright side there are more games than anybody can play in a lifetime that already exist. Sucks ass for my favourite hobby and lifelong companion from before my memory begins, but hey.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Yeah, it's actually been kind of a relief to have fewer new games to look forward to every year. I have a backlog of something like 700 unplayed games already in my library. I know I'm not going to play them all as much as they deserve before I die, but being able to make a much bigger dent in them is nice.

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  • [–] 105 points 7 months ago (16 children)

    Gamers do not want x.

    Gamers are wrong about this.

    That is definitely how it works. Keep pushing that line.

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  • [–] 32 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    I don't like this movie.

    You are wrong and must like this movie because I like it!

    Fuck. Off.

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  • [–] 44 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    We're at the "the customer is always wrong" stage of capitalism. Wheeeee

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    That's because everyone remembers that particular saying incorrectly, similarly to "a few bad apples," or "the blood is thicker than water." Everything and every saying is being twisted to mean exactly opposite what it should be to protect the pedophile capitalists that own everything.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    So is nvidia's plan to just not have any market share in a few years?

    When the AI bubble pops they're going to need someone to buy their stuff again. Perhaps pissing everybody off isn't the best long-term strategy. But what do I know I'm only their target demographic.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Same with DLSS 1, in a few years people will like it.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    Probably... not? I'm not sure anymore, about it but i think everything is going to look the same in some years with this tech and we, gamers, are becoming more and more aware of our power to turn the tides so, our hate could bury the sloppy part of the tech. EPIC CEO thought the same (in some years people will love me) with the epicstore and people mostly still hate it even with 100 free games in their account.

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  • [–] 77 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    I'm increasingly happy my hardware is a generation behind and incompatible with this shit.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    To be fair who has two 5090s laying around to use this crap? This isn‘t so much a „generation behind“ thing and more of a „overpriced luxury toy for the top .01%“. There is no market for this. It‘s all smoke and mirrors.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    Only one? I got a newish computer, but I use my old ibm Thinkpad with an i5 and igpu, plus my steam deck, way more than that thing for gaming. The Thinkpad is mainly for nostalgia and a forever, but oddly non nuclear, war in civ V.

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  • [–] 55 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    "Well, first of all, they're completely wrong,"

    Proceeds to explain exactly what everyone hates about it.

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  • [–] 53 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    "The consumers don't know what they want. I, the CEO, know what the consumers want. And the consumers want to give me money!"

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    "Do you guys not have two GPUs?"

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    Jensen Huang has all the GPUs, he can probably play games where each character has its own dedicated GPU and every atom and molecule of the environment is rendered in real time with a hyper-realistic physics engine, with built-in AI that plays for you so that even your idle pastimes are automated giving you more time to WORK AND PRODUCE VALUE FOR THE OWNER-CASTE.

    "This game only needs two GPUs to run, what's the problem?"

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  • [–] 48 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    By the amount and intensity that this man tries to sell his garbage through sheer bluff and bs you’d think he’s running to be President someday.

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  • [–] 48 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Strong principal Skinners energy. "Does nobody want my AI slop filter? No, it's the gamers who are wrong."

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    Still on a 1660ti and probably will be for the foreseeable future lol.

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    RX590 reporting in for the 'never able to upgrade' squad...

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    GTX 760 🫡

    It's "super clocked" so you know it's good!!

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    Surely this is just a marketing stunt they pulled in the hopes of temporarily pumping share prices or something? Despite their claims that it can be optimized before release, I think there is basically no way they get it running at playable frame rates without a second dedicated graphics card on current gen hardware. They're going to release it with terrible performance, promise to improve it, a few people who have dual 5090 setups will try it but almost everyone will ignore it, and the promised optimizations will either never materialize or they'll be much less impactful than promised.

    “The reason for that is because, as I have explained very carefully, DLSS 5 fuses controllability of the of geometry and textures and everything about the game with generative AI,” Huang continued.

    He seems to be thinking of it as basically a post-processing effect, but it's certainly the least performant one ever devised. Even if it's true that the art teams can tweak it to get exactly the effect they want, I find it hard to believe they'd ever be able to get it running on the hardware they're targeting, so it will just be an expensive novelty for games that want to promise the most bells and whistles.

    Edit: Wait I just saw this,

    "It’s not post-processing, it’s not post-processing at the frame level, it’s generative control at the geometry level," he said.

    What is he on about? Surely it's not really mucking around with stuff earlier in the rendering pipeline? That would make it completely different from all previous versions of DLSS, why would they call it DLSS 5? I don't think he understands how it works at all.

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago

    no way they get it running at playable frame rates without a second dedicated graphics card on current gen hardware.

    Their marketers are salivating at the thought.

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    [–] 38 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Remember, he's never talking to us, he's talking to major stockholders.

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  • [–] 35 points 7 months ago

    Calling it now: Jensen Huang's mind has been emptied and replaced with AI chips. That's why he just spouts AI generated nonsense.

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  • [–] 34 points 7 months ago

    But guys, did you hear that it's generative?

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  • [–] 65 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    I've heard a number of creators try talking about how this is a good thing actually and it is just misunderstood... And I've got to say: after it's come out that nvidia has threatened creators in the past... I really think it starts getting obvious who's still kissing the ring. This is some emperors new clothes shit.

    If nvidia can't just make a better card anymore cool. No worries. Want to get into bed with the industrial military complex? Great. Message recieved. Want to overwrite an artists design with filters? Stay the fuck in your lane. You design chips that draw what they are told. If you can't do that right anymore then get out of our industry and make room for someone who can.

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  • [–] 30 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Todd Howard is slop-pilled. RIP elder scrolls and fallout.

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  • [–] 26 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    If Starfield didn't murder everyone's hope for their future titles I don't know what will...

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Right? Todd couldn‘t make a decent game anymore, let alone a decent looking game if his life depended on it. It‘s no surprise he embraces slop. He‘s exactly the type of guy to believe the hype.

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  • [–] 32 points 7 months ago

    "My shoes are fine, it's everyone else that smells like dog shit."

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  • [–] 31 points 7 months ago (15 children)

    This makes me even more sure of my decision to get an AMD card as my next GPU (currently I have an RTX 4080 so it's still a long time until that happens but still).

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (5 children)

    Just a reminder that AMD is also just another money hungry corporation that would sell gamers out to AI. Don't forget that AMD just put a 20% stake of their company and output in a AI partnership with Meta.

    That said, I also bought a 9070 XT a year ago because I didn't want to directly support Nvidia and their never ending quest to force AI into games, which this kind of at least provided some justification for that as I don't support AI Only Fans being injected into my games. Steam already has enough of those types of games without direct AI injection.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    That's why in rooting for a small mom and pop competitor to the space, like checks notes ... Intel.

    We're fucked aren't we?

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  • [+] -29 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Every time I got an AMD card I got burned, so that's not really an option. Last try was a 5700 XT and oh my god was that a pain. So much so that instead of my usual 4-5 year upgrade cycle I grabbed a 3080 one year later.

    Nowadays DLSS is a must for me, it just looks so much better than TAA. FSR is alright, but not great.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    I guess lemmy is big enough for shills now.

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  • [–] -2 points 7 months ago

    Meh, I've owned an ATI 4870X2, GTX 580, GTX 970, 5700 XT, 3080 and now 5080.

    Also helped out friends with their GPUs, 2070 Super, 6800 XT (which have a really shitty fan curve at stock).

    The 5700 XT had the worst drivers of the bunch. Crashes, stuttering, .. AMD managed to fix most issues with time, but not all.

    Nvidia drivers early this year were shit too, but at this point they are great again. I don't care about the brand, I only care about my PC running well.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    You do know the games themselves generally choose the type of anti-aliasing used right? Your graphics card doesn't run anti-aliasing ontop of everything else.

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  • [–] -2 points 7 months ago

    ???

    Of course the game developers choose what to put into their games. Some games have FXAA, TAA, DLSS, FSR and even XeSS.

    With an Nvidia card you can use them all. With AMD you can't use DLSS.

    Not sure what your last sentence means, of course your GPU runs AA?

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  • [–] 62 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Never bought anything from NVIDIA after the 1080ti and I feel real good about that.

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  • [–] 16 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Never bought anything from them after the 500 series lol. The last one that didn't give me any problems was a 1060 when I set it up for a friend, everything after that always had some nasty gremlins

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