Cross posted from: https://feddit.uk/post/45797826

In a sensational turn of events in the fight against Chat Control, a majority in the European Parliament voted today to end the untargeted mass scanning of private communications. In doing so, the Parliament firmly rejected the error-prone and unconstitutional surveillance practices of recent years. Pressure is now mounting on EU governments to respect the MEPs’ vote and bury untargeted mass surveillance in Europe once and for all.

Amendment 5, tabled by Pirate Party MEP Markéta Gregorová (Greens/EFA group) and adopted by a narrow margin, demands that any scanning of private communications must be strictly limited to individual users or groups of users suspected by a competent judicial authority of being linked to child sexual abuse. This aligns with the European Parliament’s 2023 mandate on the permanent Chat Control regulation (CSAR).

Based on today’s mandate, trilogue negotiations between the EU Parliament, the European Commission, and the Council of the EU are set to begin as early as tomorrow. Negotiations are taking place under extreme time pressure, as the current interim regulation authorizing Chat Control expires on April 6. The EU Commission and the vast majority of the EU Council—except for Italy—have so far categorically rejected any restrictions on untargeted mass scanning.

Digital freedom fighter Patrick Breyer (Pirate Party) commented on the historic vote:

“Today is a sensational victory for the countless citizens who made calls and sent emails to save their digital privacy of correspondence. Digital privacy is alive! Just as with our physical mail, the warrantless screening of our digital communications must remain taboo. EU governments must finally realize that true child protection requires secure apps (‘Security by Design’), the removal of illegal material at the source, and targeted investigations against suspects with a judicial warrant—not overreaching, pointless mass surveillance.”

The Hard Facts: Why Chat Control has failed spectacularly

Continue reading here - https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/historic-chat-control-vote-in-the-eu-parliament-meps-vote-to-end-untargeted-mass-scanning-of-private-chats/

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[–] 27 points 7 months ago (1 child)

I'm sure they will be back... will take the w tho.

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  • [–] 24 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Did they actually decide against mass scanning for good or are they just going to rebrand it again? I'm confused

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    One of two things as I see it. They'll either slightly rephrase/rebrand like they did before, or they'll just grab hold of some incident (terrorism or child related), claim "this changes everything" and just force a new vote on the topic.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    WOO! This is proof that we actually have power! I am so relieved to see that democracy still exists here!

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Alright everyone, good result. See you all here in a couple years for the new iteration

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Great news for the EU! But don't anybody think this is it. There are powerful interests behind mass surveilance. And selling more ads is just one of the least malevolent. These interests are probably not done trying to earn a € or $ more.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 7 months ago

    This is definitely not it, some corrupt politician will start it all again under a different guise after some unfettered lobbying by meta and the like. But great for the here and now to know that the public sway can at least once beat the heavy lobbying..

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    Thank fucking god, someone finally realized opening everyone's private messages would be similar to opening everyone's written leters at the post office before they get sent.

    Also people need to continue to stay vigilant, in case this does come back "rebrand" as something new.

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    [–] 134 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    What is this? Good news? In this economy? It simply cannot be!

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  • [+] 175 points 8 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 74 points 8 months ago

    Finally some good fucking news. Now let's make it so there's no 2.0 3.0 etc constantly trying to sneak this in - we need to enshrine privacy into real laws.

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  • [–] 69 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Yay Europe! Genuinely happy for you folks.

    Maybe someday we’ll have freedom and privacy in the US :’)

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  • [–] 18 points 8 months ago

    Halt! You have gone below the mandatory threshold for nationally mandated jingoism. An ICE unit has been dispatched to your location to bring you to the RFK Right-To-Labour camp.

    The beating will continue until moral improves.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    It's definitely starting to feel like having your rights enshrined on unalterable tablets of stone, but which must be re-interpreted by a half dozen political appointees holding a seance with the founding fathers every few months, may not be the platonic ideal of governance that Americans are constantly telling the world it is.

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    [–] 52 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Awesome

    Can we now put that in some form of European constitution, pretty please with a cherry?

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  • [–] 32 points 8 months ago

    Why is it possible to vote for something that is against the constitution?

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  • [–] 25 points 8 months ago

    Good News! I was so afraid for our future in Europe.

    Losing freedoms in our modern times will lead to just another authoritarian state, which will eventually lead to shit.

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  • [–] 25 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Yay for the EU! Hopefully you guys get a law that will permanently enshrine your privacy rights (or rights to encrypted chats at least).

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    There is no such thing as permanent laws. And for good reasons.

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  • [+] 21 points 8 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago

    Hell yeah! Great to hear that

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago

    They've probably realized that American corporations which are ran by the Epstein class get to sift through all the data

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago

    Great news!

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  • [–] 38 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    I wonder what all these anti-EU russian propaganda bots are going to use now to sow discontent against the EU... lol

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  • [–] 21 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    It was a genuine concern, I am happy with the result

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Of course. Nothing is black and white. This was a real issue, but still abused by anti-EU propaganda to weaken us.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago

    Yes, but Denmark gave the opportunity to do so. We know we have enemies that wnt us divided, why bring such a stupid and controversial piece of legislation forward.

    There should be blame put at their door for this, we know the trolls will troll that isnt new.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    *Officially

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  • [–] 25 points 8 months ago (11 children)

    Shit, I've heard so much fear mongoring about this for so long. Also on here.

    The EU's stance have never been anything other than no chat control. All everyone else have pointed out are proposals not even reaching the votes, or got voted down.

    I get that you are afraid that the EU would do it anyway and pass the proposals. But they never did, and even if it got voted for today, it's not even final and needs to go to the council who is openly against it.

    But so nice that this is FINALLY put down.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago

    This is a really naive take - this amendment (which requires message scanning to be targeted) passed with a slim majority and could well have failed. In that case the existing mass surveillance ("voluntary scanning") would probably keep happening at least until 2028.

    The council meanwhile is overwhelmingly pro-message-scanning, and they (together with the commission) are the ones who are pushing to break e2e encryption. There will now be talks between the three institutions to decide on how to proceed. Sadly I expect that some "compromise" will be reached eventually.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago* (6 children)

    Says the guy overlooking the other trojan horse of age controls being brought inside the walls. Your analysis is not so good.

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  • [–] -2 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    That "trojan horse" is nothing but a paper tiger since age control will be managed in a completely privacy-friendly way. It is a non-issue. So that is why it is being "overlooked"

    The check will send nothing more than a yes/no verification, and no other forms of identification.

    And the information will be managed by a governmental institute that already has all that information.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Jesus christ, you are a mark for some con artist with your naivety, no offense bro. Ha.

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  • [–] -3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    If you can't understand the technology behind it, please refrain from calling other people names. It makes you look ignorant.

    The EU is very privacy focused, as should be apparent with the post you are literally commenting on.

    Your russian propaganda holds no power here. It didn't work with chat control, and it won't work with age verification either.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    If you can't understand the technology behind it

    it seems it is you, that have no idea how technology works. "open source" won't solve being able to prove it does not send anything more it needs, when the implementations will be black boxes, with obfuscated verification software as is recommended by guidelines governmental projects intend to follow, as you can see in this very long thread

    additionally, when the laws are accepted, what will you do if the promises turn out to be lies? protest by not using the internet anymore?

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    Europe has pressure to shift the narrative from all systems and institutes have been a part of the parasite class goals, to these concessions. "Noo don't collapse us, we are less rigged". But rigged is still rigged

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    Maybe I'm misreading, but it seems like this only applies in the context of sex crimes. I see no reason based upon the wording that they couldn't do it for other things even with this in place

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    [–] 38 points 8 months ago

    Thank fuck.

    For now.

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  • [–] 56 points 8 months ago* (6 children)

    Around 99% of all chat reports sent to police in Europe come from a single US corporation: Meta. US tech giants are acting as private auxiliary police forces—without any effective European oversight.

    Thats very interesting. Assuming that whatsapp is actually e2ee that means instagram, facebook and threads account for 99% of all chat reports. That means all dms on there have been getting scanned. Sounds like people should leave those platforms.

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  • [–] 31 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Not true for WhatsApp. It has a report function that forwards the last 5 messages in the conversation to Meta when used.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago

    Or maybe people are mislead by (and putting to much trust in) the term "end-to-end encryption"

    Sure its encrypted in transit between you and the person you're exchanging messages with.

    But that doesnt mean the Whatsapp app itself isnt scanning your chats on the phone.

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago

    It'll be back.

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  • [–] 27 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    The push for Chat Control is heavily driven by foreign-funded lobby groups and tech vendors.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    To do this effectively, they'd have to ban facebook/whatsapp, which are the two most popular chat apps in Europe.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    Once again. In a few months, they'll do the same and this will repeat until the law passes.

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    [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    Comes back again and again.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    isn´t this like the 3rd time already? lol I talked to a few MEPs about chat control and other stuff - while the focus was on chat control the EU got this shit sneakily approved

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    [–] 19 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Seems like it shows up every few weeks

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago

    It was killed before. I won't be surprised it comes back again in the coming months..

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    Remember Europeans: those that voted “For” need to be composted, physically.

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    [–] 25 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Yes but my understanding of EU legislation is that this will only last until Friday, when some random right-wing politician introduces Yet Another Iteration of a Chat Control bill, right?

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago

    Such great news!

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    [–] 39 points 8 months ago

    Today is a good day to be an EU citizen.

    Good job, everyone. Take a small break before we keep going. There are more privacy battles to be won.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago

    Just becauase you Can doesn't mean you Should.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Looks like Europe one this battle today, but until this is somehow codified into law it will keep happening until it passes.

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