We already tried year-round DST in the 70s. It didn't last through the first year because kids were getting hit by cars on the way to school in the early morning darkness.

https://washingtonian.com/2022/03/15/the-us-tried-permanent-daylight-saving-time-in-the-70s-people-hated-it/

In theory, individual states could choose to not do daylight savings time. Two states already don't use it and there was a proposal for Florida to get rid of it and move to the Atlantic Time Zone.

That only works at a certain latitude. Further north it remains dark in the morning anyway

I'd rather have sunlight when I get home off of work to be able to do stuff outside before it gets way too cold and dark. In the mornings before work I typically don't go outside so it can be dark

I've found people would either like change or not mind it.

But like you said, they can't agree on which way so thus it is.

I honestly dgaf about any of it. I'm fine with the current system.

Yep. A lot easier to have blackout curtain in just your bedroom to stay asleep than it is to have them all over your house to build up melatonin in the evenings during summer

A lot of people, schoolchildren included, are up way before sunrise anyway, regardless of where we put the clocks.

Personally, I'm just sick of moving back and forth. I don't care what we change it to, just stop changing it. Where I live, we get 8 hours of daylight in the winter. Someone is always going to be in the dark sometime, no matter what we set our clocks to.

You morning people already have the world scheduled around you. At least let us night owls get to enjoy a sunset in the winter.

I used to be in the make-DST-permanent camp because I enjoy it being lighter later. Then I saw a set of US maps illustrating sunrises before 7am and sunsets after 5pm. Permanent DST completely hoses the western areas of the time zones. I can't in good conscience support that option anymore. Ditch DST altogether, and just make standard time permanent.

I live basically on the border on the US side and pray that BC changing will allow WA to change.

Full DST is better imo. Having light after work/school/the day makes the dark months so much more tolerable. Helps alleviate my SAD partially, personally.

Personally, I'd rather have it dark on the way to work than night before I get home.

DST shifts make more sense for higher latitude than it does for southern ones. ironically.

I lived in BC. It did suck to only have like 6 hours of full daylight. All of which were during the workday when you were inside anyway.

I just get up later. I don't get it. The day is the same, just shift when you do things.

I know in some places in the world they do just that: stores have summer and winter hours. It's that simple. The clock doesn't change, your schedule does.

I wake up between 6 and 7am most weekdays, so the sun coming up at 8 vs 9am makes little difference to me.

When I was a kid if I had to be at school a full hour before the sun even rose I would be even fucking dumber.

The shift kills people tho...

Literally, a shit ton of heart attacks happen because people's schedule changes all of a sudden. No, those would likely happen in the following months anyways, but them all happening at the same time overloads our medical system even when staffing is adjusted for it.

So why not keep time as a constant and if individual places want to change times they can do that

Even just single states can have vastly different sunrise and sunset times and changing 300m people’s schedules so that a few people can have a few extra minutes of sun in the morning for part of the year seems absolutely ridiculous

A local school district could very easily do a 1 hour shift as the sunrise gets later so that it properly aligns with their local school pickup times

We quickly went back because one news story which blew a completely unrelated traffic incident out of proportion, and the driver blamed the time change for it. Despite living somewhere like Florida which was barely affected by the difference in sunlight.

Unless that was a well organized and faithful attempt to switch, that shouldn't prohibit us from trying again.

pretty much.

the same issues all exist, they are just in the morning instead of in the evening.

if you are on DST in the winter in the north it will be dark at 6-8am when people going to school and work. instead of dark at 3-4pm when they come home. Everyone thinks they will be 'happier' that way, but once they experience they will be lamenting that it's dark in the morning when they wake up and we should switch back.

Arizona is in the south, the daylight time shift isn't as extreme. there is only 4 hour daylight difference, where as in NYC it's 6 hours. And in Seattle it's 8. In Miami it's 3. DST shift doesn't have much of an impact for Southern states as it does for northern ones.

But timezones are longitudinal and it would be bad for business, etc for Miami to be an hour off from NYC.

I'm in AZ, I think y'all are so dumb for doing that(not that any of you have a choice). I don't want to live anywhere that fakes the time. The days change throughout the year, they get shorter and longer , it's natural, get over it.

Much rather have the hour later than in the morning.

I prefer the hour of light in the morning, hands down. Helps me get out of bed and start my day.

Now, if we could somehow just make it so sunrise was like 645am in perpetuity, I'm on board with that, but the stupid sun keeps moving!

But they changed it suddenly in January, instead of just not changing back in the fall. That was dumb.

They went about it in a stupid way and now we're doomed for all time because it gets pointed to as proof we can never end DST 🥲

No they enacted permanent DST in the 70s. OP is asking for arguments against ending DST. The backlash against permanent DST in the 70s was because kids going to school in the early morning darkness were being hit y cars.

Congress once voted to end it, the backlash from constituents businesses was severe and they could not reimplement it fast enough.

Ftfy. Fuck those greedy pricks

As a software developer, that idea can fuck right off. India being on a half hour is enough of a pain in the ass. 6 more half-off time zones is just too much.

exacerbate

*ducks*