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[–] 45 points 8 months ago (1 child)

when Gandalf said "Fly! You Fools!" This is what he meant

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  • [–] 58 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Hobbit rockets never leave the ground. They use pipe-weed as fuel and, by T plus 60 of any launch, the engineers are all giggling on the launch pad eating funions as a quick post-elevenses snack.

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  • [–] 26 points 8 months ago*

    "I mean it's not rocket science, guys." - Boromir on using a catapult to launch the ring into Mt. Doom

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    one does not simply ICBM into Mordor.

    Also. we can easily create temperatures far exiding mount Doom's lava.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I think it's not about the temperature of mount doom, but the magical effects of the ring being forged there. But I could be way off...

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  • [+] 15 points 8 months ago (13 children)
  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (12 children)

    Yeah, but what if you're working with dwarves? And using elvish technology for a guidance system?

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (11 children)

    Perhaps need more lore information before we can understand how well the Elvish guidance systems would work under the full effects of Sauron's eye, which, considering the perceived threat and opportunity (in case destabilisation of the rocket is successful), on top of the ease of application (it would be in-air, easier to pick, as compared to little ground targets moving among other landscape objects), I'd say Sauron would put full attention onto the missile.

    Much easier to just find a way to build a better furnace.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (10 children)

    Easy solution, send a rocket or two to take out the Eye of Sauron before launching the one with the ring. Perhaps launch a flurry of them to overwhelm any remaining air defenses, which won't know which one has it.

    Much easier to just find a way to build a better furnace.

    Nope. It's not about the heat at mount doom, but the magic bound in the ring.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (9 children)

    You have the maker of the ring^[Shadow of Mordor]!
    Just make a magic furnace.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    Just make a magic furnace.

    Okay, but you need materials that can only be sourced from mount doom

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (7 children)

    That shouldn't be the case, sure you can find some other volcano on the planet, no?
    Oh right, perhaps there were no Geologists among the Elves/Dwarves. Were they not?

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    But if the furnace isn't constructed at mount doom, then it wouldn't be able to withstand the magical flames required to destroy the ring.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (5 children)

    What if you get the furnace to be puked out of Eru Ilúvatar's mouth?

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    For the same reason Eru Ilúvatar didn't simply strike Sauron or even Morgoth for that matter with lightning and solve everyone's problems from the outset, I guess?

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Right.
    My point was simply that Mount Doom not necessarily the only place that can provide what is required.
    There might be others that are jus not yet discovered.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    The whole point of the story is that it is, though. It's plainly stated, and the entire plot of all 3 books depends on it.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    the missile doesnt need to survive mount doom, it just needs to survive long enough to accurately and precisely deliver the ring into mount doom. however that does not mean that saurons tower wouldn't be susceptible to a missile attack. and honestly missiles are the dumbest way to deliver explosives. you could imitate asynchronous drone warfare using giant eagles. explosives are known even to orcs so it shouldn't be difficult for them to figure some fun shit out.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago
    1. We weren't talking about the missile anymore, we were talking about a furnace outside of mordor.

    2. I talked about the accuracy and precision in another comment chain, as well as a preemptive strike on sauron's tower.

    3. Missiles can actually be highly accurate with the right technology, albeit at a significantly increased cost.

    4. The eagles are majestic beings who serve at their own will due to their friendship with Gandalf. You're not using them as kamikaze drones.

    5. The orcs don't know how to use explosives. Saruman does, and they were so unheard of at the time that he had stop Wormtongue from holding a candle over a pot of black powder to get a better look. Saruman, the wisest of the five wizards and head of their order, made the explosives and showed the Uruk-Hai how to use them.

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago

    This is more of an orbital nuclear defense question since Mordor has a pretty in depth strategy against this sort of threat. Frodo probably didn’t consider this option because of the Pan-Middle Earth nuclear deescalation agreement of the second age, sub section 2, page five, which if violated could have big international downstream effects.

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    Legit question. Can the ring influence targeting computers over long distances? Or modern LLMs?

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago (12 children)

    Counterpoint.

    What if they buried it, like real deep, like 50m+ deep.

    It was at the bottom of a river for 2500 years, it’s honestly more effective than taking the ring right into enemy land.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (11 children)

    If you read the books, a lot of people thought Sauron wasn't ever getting the One back because they were convinced it must've been swept out to sea.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (10 children)

    I wouldn't put it past the ring to manipulate some octopus to carry it back to land.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (9 children)

    Have the dwarves cast in into a huge lump of steel a dump it way out in the ocean.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Fifth-age Mordorian Nazis would scour the ocean floor for it in their submersibles until they find it.

    At that point no one in Middle Earth would still even believe in the One Ring, if any had even heard of it outside of fairy tales told to children.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    I'm not big on lotr lore. My Atlas of Middle Earth was mostly just used for RPG, and the Silmarillion has been left untouched on the book-shelves in my home. But are you saying that there's a nazi-hunting-artifacts storyline? Like Indiana Jones in Middle Earth?

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

    No, I just made that up. Assuming technology continues to develop, if sauron hasn't been defeated by the fifth age there very well might be a mordorian nazi treasure hunter storyline

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    Oh... it would be kinda cool though: the modern world set in middle earth. Maybe add a little steam punk dwarven tech and some elves with electric doodads. I could definitely see an elven technological schism with one traditional group and another consisting of hipsters with the latest innovations.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    Too risky.
    What if the huge lump of steel ends up having a hole (imperfection, which would be caused by the will of Sauron affecting the Dwarven workers' concentration) and someone then puts a finger in it?

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Have guards at a safe distance ready to flood the casting floor with molten iron, while the dwarves are working. It may be cruel, but an influenced dwarf wouldn't get away with the ring.

    Imperfections would be acceptable. I mean once the ring is encased in 2 tons of steel good frigging luck getting to it unnoticed.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Do we know what powers the ring gives to a dwarven smith?
    Would he be able to find a way to escape incoming molten metal the moment he put his finger in a 2 ton steel sphere?

    What if he ends up with the power to mould metal by thought? He might just manage to deform the same piece of steel and use it to prevent the molten metal from getting to him and then use it to create stilts and a shield for incoming guard attack?


    Ok, maybe they can just make a cast, separately, away from the ring's influence and then get Frodo to drop the ring in the molten metal right after it part of it has been poured in.
    But what if the ring ends up floating or sinking during the hardening (cooling down) process, making it accessible to touch, but at the same time, hard enough to detect?

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago

    Because Elrond cut the the budget of Revendell NASA to spend more money on some project to make elves self-deport.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (12 children)

    Question, if I have an unbreakable ring, what cool things could an engineer do with that?

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  • [–] 18 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Well it's interesting that it makes regular ringing/metallic sounds when it's dropped(at least in the movies), so it is not inelastic. Which means it could be deformed if placed under extreme force but it would always spring back into shape. So I think it might be the world's most powerful spring.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    is there something useful that can be done with just ONE unbreakable spring?

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    It probably produce/absorb heat somehow when being deformed. Then, we use it to boil water, turn a turbine, and generate power!

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    That level of power would corrupt even the most noble of mortal minds. Hell, it can even corrupt immortal minds. That level of power cannot be wielded for good intentions without subverting those intentions for evil purposes!

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    It really depends on the other material properties. Like if it's as slippery as nylon vs as slippery as rubber is really gonna change things. Plus how does it react to outside forces trying to destroy it? Absorption? Diffusion? Conversion (like heat into sound or something).

    All that would drastically change what you could do with it

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    the question is, with only ONE of those rings, is there something useful to be done?

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Sure. For me (computer scientist but went to engineering based school) I'd be most excited about the experimental possibilities.

    I mean if nothing else the potential to have the world's most stable mass and dimensional object could revolutionize measurements, which might not sound the most practical until you realize just how much we rely on dimensional accuracy for so many things.

    There's some experiments where we fire a laser at things, and we're approaching powers (zetawatts) where things basically instantly melt. Having a material that can withstand that could allow experiments that could push our understanding of light, nuclear reactions, quantum mechanics, and more.

    From a practical aspect. If it, say, absorbs heat. Having a limitless heat sink could potentially let us explore deeper into the Earth's core than ever before (where the heat and pressure really caused issues for the drills).

    And all that is just off a few seconds thought from a non engineer.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Not sure if it is useful for measurement standards, as it is seen changing size based on the wielder.

    which could be use for stuff. big finger person puts something inside, hand it to someone with smaller fingers, and it has unlimited crushing force.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    Well, it doesn't change size based on the wielder. It changes size based on its will and what it percieves will bring it the result it desires. Which is admittedly way more complex and abstract. This is why I said knowing more about it's properties would be extremely important to figuring out how to use it.

    If it only changes size in one direction, like growing bigger to slip off a finger, but the band width never changes, then it would still be extremely useful for some measurements. We also don't know if there's a maximum or minimum to it's size changes which would greatly matter.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago

    I mean, it all looks so simple.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago

    And my Δv!

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago

    B'cause XOR!!!!

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    This is what I was waiting for. You know the theory of the eagles and Tom bombadil having the power to save everyone and not using it? What if the reason they didn't is because they can't. As in when they enter mordor they lose their power. Whereas the hobbits were removed from the magical doings of the world and therefore somewhat immune. Even galaxriel was temtpted by the ring. Bobmbadil probably only has power in his forest and the eagles only showed up after sauron's defeat but the eagles were on the spot right quick. Meaning they had to be close by. Which means they probably intended to be there and were waiting for wards to drop so they could help. Maybe.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago

    My theory about Bombadil is that he was Tolkien's avatar in Middle Earth. Like, "I'm the one writing this story, I created this world, I'm more powerful than the gods of this realm, but if I solve all your problems right now then there wouldn't be a story so I'm not going to do that."

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    There's also the issue of anti-air defense in general. You can see those eagles from miles away.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    https://youtu.be/p1-ExbgKUUI

    There was a gif or a video montage of Boromir trying to catapult the ring to Mordor. Im on the move and cant search properly. But would be ideal for this discussion.

    Edit: as per rule of the universe, found it after posting.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    What's your equation to enter the cave?

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    it's gravity's rainbow not gravity's bilbo

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Well for one, if they missed then they would basically be express shipping the ring back to Sauron...

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    What in the heck is that graph? Abundance as a function of time?? What? But the data looks a lot more like some kind of EMR spectrum?

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