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[–] 294 points 8 months ago (20 children)

I like that they're also banning anyone not doing a similar ban

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  • [–] 74 points 8 months ago (17 children)

    "Hold people accountable or else we will hold you accountable"

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  • [+] -38 points 8 months ago (16 children)

    What if you're not sure all this passionate witch-hunting is a good thing? Is that allowed?

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  • [–] 35 points 8 months ago

    It's banning sunshine from a convention, not throwing them in prison. That's not witch hunting, that's something every convention does with problematic guests. Conventions are held by organizations and businesses - they have just as much right to kick and ban people as any other org or business. Nobody's being hurt, persecuted, or prosecuted. Your argument is invalid.

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  • [–] 22 points 8 months ago (11 children)

    Last I checked people being associated with others who have raped, mutilated, and killed children for little more than a power grab also makes you a horrible person by association.

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  • [+] -28 points 8 months ago (10 children)

    There are many levels of association.

    For example, I might be invited to a conference. And I might decline that invitation. There now we're associated by those emails. Am I a horrible person now?

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  • [–] 22 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    If that was an argument such people could make, they're welcome to present evidence.

    However, anyone who voluntarily associated with the world's worst pedophile after his conviction has no excuse. Comparing people to the company they keep has been valid since the beginning of time.

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  • [+] -20 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    The question was : am I a horrible person now?

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago* (5 children)

    They answered. If you have evidence that you declined, then no.

    From the wording I'm willing to bet they did a bit more investigation than just doing a pass/fail on a Ctrl+f

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  • [+] -18 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    They made a sweeping implied accusation two replies back, sans evidence, but now we want evidence.

    Go roll in your own feces. I have zero interest.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago

    For example, I might be invited to a conference. And I might decline that invitation. There now we’re associated by those emails. Am I a horrible person now?

    Did you reach out to ask to be invited? Or did you receive an invite and decline it. Because we're talking about the former. We're talking about people who reached out to Epstein or his associates. They were in contact with.

    So yes, that would make you a horrible person, especially after the allegations came out. And you're a horrible person for doing your absolute damndest to defend these people.

    You got banned from Dinocon, didn't you.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    Witches are fictional. The above is not.

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  • [+] -20 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Don't overheat your little 2-bit processor now

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    Excuse me? Witch hunts were fueled by religious superstition. People were hanged, burned, drowned for being things that don't exist in the real world, and bedding a fallen angel for magical powers. Tell me how the fuck this correlates. Aside from Epstein and Trump being the fucking Devil.

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    [–] 79 points 8 months ago (12 children)

    I want to announce that everyone in the Epstein files is banned from my house, with the exception of Bill Gates, who was already banned and is now double banned.

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  • [–] 27 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Don't you hate it when a good boycott comes along, and you can't participate because you've already been boycotting them for some previous atrocity? I keep finding good reasons to boycott United, but I've been boycotting them for decades.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago* (8 children)

    How stunning and brave of you to stand up for what is right.

    Clearly those in the files will feel the hot wrath of justice by not being able to ever go over to your place for Hot Pockets and Capri Suns.

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  • [–] 24 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    I'll have you know my homemade hummus and baba ganoush platter is the talk of the neighborhood.

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  • [+] [S] 6 points 8 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

    You make them like normal but add more allspice than you'd think is reasonable. And a bit of smoked paprika on the ganoush. And don't skimp on the olive oil. I'm talking

    Also, broil the eggplants after they're done, before you scoop the goodness out (you can also barbeque them). And don't blend them, you want that weird texture.

    Serve with pita and little boats of celery, carrots. bell pepper, onion, whatever you want that is crunchy and can scoop globs of them

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  • [–] 132 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Bruh why.. how was this dudes reach into everything

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  • [–] 110 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    When you're a global criminal organization, you ensure immunity by blackmailing and/or extorting every single person in a position of power as much as possible. There's a reason these monsters have gotten away with it--and continue to get away with it--for so damn long

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  • [–] 21 points 8 months ago

    Also, if you're someone who is seeking power, you do everything you can to suck up to people with it. There are plenty of people in every field who are willing to put up with, or do, horrible things to be treated like they're special.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I feel you could get into the list by sending a letter asking for funding for some science work

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    I'd be curious if you find any cold call messages asking for science funding in the documents release. From what I see, it's people who are socializing benifiting from associating with powerful people. I've also seen an email where someone asked him if he would be interested in upgrading the computer labs for a school he clearly made the calculation that he wasn't getting anything out of it and so gave an excuse for why he couldn't contribute.

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  • [–] 62 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Geez, lots of paleontologists have skeletons in their closets.

    Sorry

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  • [–] 62 points 8 months ago* (3 children)

    I mean if your company is owned or adminstrated by an epstein associate they should be forced to put up a sign and register as a sex offender (corporations are people, after all).

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  • [–] 35 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    This message brought to you by Microsoft*

    (*Microsoft is a registered sex offender)

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  • [–] 37 points 8 months ago

    It’s a low bar.

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  • [–] 34 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    For a second there at first I thought DinoCon referred to the DNC.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Ha, that will be the day. I bet dnc figures are on the list and redacted from what the justice department released for reasons that may include them knowing information on the president and his favorites themselves that they could release in retaliation for letting the information on them through.

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  • [–] 67 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (16 children)

    That motherfucker ruined tarnished dinosaurs too!? edit, i still like dinosaurs.

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  • [+] 46 points 8 months ago (8 children)
  • [–] 28 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    When Chomsky was asked what he corresponded with epstein about years ago, he said essentially "none of your fucking business".

    Which is such a bad answer, I am half inclined to believe he just wanted help filing his taxes and a guilty Chomsky would have the sense to lie.

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  • [+] 11 points 8 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (3 children)

    That sounds like Chomsky? Doing the taxes of an uber wealth financier/convicted pedophile?

    Stop lying to yourself.

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  • [+] 4 points 8 months ago* (2 children)
  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (1 child)

    Sure thing, buddy. Whatever you need to tell yourself.

    We all knew who Epstein was by that point. He should know better.

    How self deluded do you need to be in order to convince yourself that Chomsky reached out to the most notorious convicted pedophile in American history for some help with his taxes?

    I mean, Jesus Christ dude... It's like you NEED this to be true.

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  • [–] 20 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Sadly there's a lot of intelectuals that were involved, Lawrence Krauss, Noem Chomsky, Steven Hawking just scratching the surface.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    How the heck was Stephen Hawking involved??

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  • [–] 22 points 8 months ago

    DinoCon for pres

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago

    Based paleontologists

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    [–] 28 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    You can PUNISH People who RAPED LITTLE CHILDREN?

    -Americans!

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago

    Yet the PO(TU)S has put sanctions on judges in Europe for issuing arrest warrants on Netanyathu.

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  • [–] 25 points 8 months ago (13 children)

    Wow so many pedo apologizers in the comments.

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  • [–] 19 points 8 months ago (10 children)

    My online friend lists have been through the chopping block recently, a good society must have intolerance for the intolerant and devious.

    There's zero excuse for an adult to sexually assault a child, or to have known and kept the secret.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago* (9 children)

    not everyone who ever interacted with Epstein was/is a pedophile.

    he had a broad network of various levels of social gatherings and sex parties. not all of them were pedo parties. the majority were not.

    the notion that anyone who ever interacted with him in anyway is a pedophile or pedophile supporter is an incredibly broad and stupid approach. there are various levels of participation and interact with him. he clearly had an inner circle, an outer circle, and then 10000s of tangential connections with various people. hopefully with more disclosure of the files who is who will become apparent.

    punish the guilty who committed crimes. not their associates. guilt by association is cognitive bias that seeks to punish innocent people for merely being in proximity to those who commit crimes.

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  • [–] 16 points 8 months ago

    Epstein's behavior was publicly well-known long before his initial arrest. I remember my first thought was "Finally, what took them so long?"

    Anyone who had ANY contact with him after his 2008 conviction, who pursued any kind of relationship with him - personal, business, friendship, networking, sex client, etc. - is burned. They knew who he was, and any reasonable, moral person, especially one with public responsibilities, should have know to avoid any contact, of any kind.

    There was no valid reason for having a personal relationship with Epstein after 2008, and anyone who did, deserves all the public derision and contempt they receive.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago

    This is specifically in regards to those who continued to have correspondence and business dealings with Epstein after his first conviction for raping and rape trafficking literal children. This is not legal punishment, this is an organization drawing a line and choosing to not let these people be involved with them.

    You can be very shitty and dangerous person and still be well within the law, these folks are simply protecting themselves and everyone involved with them from people that knowingly interacted and did business with a child rape cabal.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago

    I mean, yes, but also, in the OP statement "after his conviction."

    As in, after we knew what he was doing, why would peoppe ever associate with him again.

    Its not even some weird ass "gray area" thing where you are an 18 year old in HS dating a 16 year old at your HS. Its literally sex trafficking of very minor minors.

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    This is a fair take, and I greatly prefer an "innocent before proven guilty" justice system. I think it's also fair for you to read the article before commenting.

    The Society of Vertebrate Paleontology released a notice to members last week, cautioning that inclusion in the Epstein files does not alone imply misconduct.

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  • [–] -4 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    And who is going to determine what misconduct is? They have a crack team of legal experts reading all the files? devil is in the details.

    the issue I'm addressing is the broader moral panic and the moral grandstanding that goes along with it that surrounds this whole thing, and pedophilia in general, or that these types of symbolic gestures are some form of justice for the crimes of Epstein and his trafficking associates.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I don't really think it's up to DinoCon to solve crimes. Obviously symbolic gestures aren't justice, but I don't really see what else DinoCon is supposed to do. Are you honestly asking DinoCon to spin up a crack team of legal experts to manage the epstein case? Maybe we should have GenCon start tracking down serial killers while we're at it.

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  • [–] -2 points 8 months ago

    Professionally speaking? They should privately dis-invite the speakers or seminar leaders who make questionable appearances in the files, but not make a public hoopla over it. They probably have a ethics of conduct code that might have been demonstrably violated.

    But I have no idea what criteria they would be using to make those calls. For all we know maybe they have no codified ethics codes as an organization.

    My beef with it is the virtue signalling publicity. Making a big public stink about benefits who exactly? It's little more than grandstanding moralizing PR.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    innocent before proven guilty is only a thing where the crime is actually being investigated. because it’s not, nearly any actions and considerations by individuals is fair game. technically it always was.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    You know Muldoon was on the list... πŸ€”

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I was thinking Hammond - old and rich (at least beforehand)

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Hammond is 100% exactly the kind of guy who would have been to the island dozens of times.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Okay I'm changing my answer to Hammond. That whole flea circus monologue from the movie was what convinced me he's someone who gets off on fleecing people and feeling better and smarter than the people he fleeced. He and Epstein would find a lot of similarity in that, I think.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago

    And the convention even has an awesome logo and name. They're total badasses.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago

    What a time we live in, where somehow this is a hot take. Reading these comments just makes me sad, like how do we have so many fucking boot lickers that are defending associates of child rapists. Good fuck man this society is so trashed. I don't think we come back from this timeline. We are beyond saving.

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    That is commendable.
    Genuinely curious if they had the same resolve when it comes to the genociders and those affiliated with them.

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