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Please support the initiative of Stop Killing Games!

EU Petition

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great stuff!!!

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  • [–] 112 points 1 year ago (28 children)

    Awesome! Now let's get the EU one as well, much closer than before now. (840'000)

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  • [–] 64 points 1 year ago (27 children)

    5 minutes later and it's 843k, almost 1k signatures per minute, not bad at all!

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    844k now. Wow. I wonder what caused the sudden surge? Or is it just that most momentum can be gain at the start and towards the end like with Kickstarters?

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  • [–] 46 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    After Ross announced the campaign is dead a bunch of YouTubers (and media, I think?) picked up the topic and started spreading the word far and wide. This is the result.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    Here's what bugs me: Why didn't channels like GamerNexus and LTT cover the petition until after Louis declared it dead?

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    That's actually one of the most annoying parts about the whole thing. SKG campaign has been running for what, a year now? Barely anyone with an audience cared enough to even look into it, let alone spread the news. Now that things came close to failing suddenly everyone thinks it's an important topic and scrambled to make videos/posts/whatever. I'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt but I just don't have that in me any more...
    We could've been in so much better place with awareness, petitions and general sentiment if people in the industry actually cared about these things from the start.

    Better late than never, I guess. I just hope there's enough time to push through the EU petition as well.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Well, there's at least two aspects here:

    Fucking Thor, PirateSoftware.

    Up untill Ross posted his 'SKG is dead' video... Thor had by far gotten the most views of anyone with a video discussing SKG.

    And Thor... well, he was anti-SKG, and had been spreading a bunch of objectively false bullshit about it, actual FUDD.

    So... about half of Ross's video was dedicated to pointing out how Thor was wildly misunderstanding things, and fairly graciously and politely trying to correct these misconceptions.

    So here's the two sort of things at play I see, in terms of 'why sudden surge now?'

    1. Thor was just shown to be objectively, factually wrong. Thus, the immediate effect of this would be to reiterate and clarify and reinforce with more specificity what SKG actually is... and that could directly convince people to give a damn, to believe in Ross's SKG over Thor's misunderstandings and mischaracterizations.

    But uh, almost certainly much, much more relevant:

    1. Ross doing (1) created an absolute drama shit storm via the way youtube works now... which is very much just drama mongers and commentators reporting on e-drama. (1) kicked off an actual, organic, honest to god, truly viral explosion of many, many people who'd basically never heard of any of this before, mostly dogpiling on Thor for being such a disingenuous, egotistical asshole and liar, but also of course encouraging people to sign the SKG petition.

    This kind of absurd, out of nowhere explosion of popularity of some topic, idea, meme, whatever, that spreads from person to person to person, from the ground up instead of top down... this is what something going 'viral' originally meant in the earlier days of the internet, 15 to 20 ish years ago.

    You know, it spreads, from host to host, like a pandemic outbreak, shockingly rapidly.

    These days we have everything hypermanaged by algorithms that silo you into your own content niche... and this was an exceptional enough of an event that it broke containment.

    Videos like ... this entire topic/event/story... used to be what the YouTube trending tab looked like.... just totally random shit that for whatever reason, a bunch of people organically shared with each other, back when the algos were much, much more primitive.

    ...

    Anyway... extremely ironically, a whole lot of the viral nature of this is due to Thor being just such an astoundingly massive piece of shit liar and manipulator.

    He has a whole entire history of being astoundingly cocky, arrogant, dishonest, deceptive, intellectually inconsistent, rhetorically manipulative, etc, and it is genuienly... just astounding, i dont know what other word to use, to go through every single shitty thing Thor has done or said, not only in regards to SKG, but many, many other things Thor has done.

    Basically, Thor is now a lolcow, a perfect person to milk by making content criticizing him, because he really is that much of an unbelievable, outrageuous idiot asshole.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Piewdiepie made a community post yesterday supporting it and asking people to go sign if that has still something to do with it.

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  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    This is fucking bonkers.

    I ran the math a few days ago, before this absolutely blew the fuck up, and I came to:

    We'd need 11k sigs per day until July 31st.

    ... We're now apparently at more than double that and climbing exponentially.

    Ho Lee Shit.

    God DAMN has it been a while since I've seen something go actually, truly, organically viral.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'm just worried some of them are botted, especially now that we're less than 100k away from 1m.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago

    I mean, its not technically completely impossible, but the vast majority of EU countries require a valid name, id, address, etc, its usually a pretty dumb idea to bot spam an official government web portal, and I'm sure there will be a review process after July 31.

    Also... its not like it hits a million and then just no one else can sign up to it anymore.

    It'll stay open till the end of the month, could easily breach a million, maybe even two million if anything like this insane rate keeps up.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    No need to do the math, this site has you covered: https://stopkillinggamestracker.pages.dev/

    Right now we need 1669 per day remaining, though that number is probably going ot be smaller by the time you click the link.

    Worth noting that the actual target is somewhere above one million, since there's probably some invalid signatures mixed in and the initiative needs a million even after these get removed. Still, it's looking really good.

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    2 more and it's at 880k holy shit

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    918k now. Not European, but you guys give me hope for the future :)

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  • [–] 83 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Don't stop yet! They might still remove incorrectly filed entries.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    Pedal to the metal on all fronts!

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  • [–] 78 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Jesus what, a week or so ago this was dead in the water.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Who? I seriously have no idea who you're talking about.

    I honestly think that the main reason this has kicked off is that up until about a week ago it wasn't really advertised. I didn't even know that it started the petition up again, I knew the original one failed because parliament closed and for some reason that meant the petition had to end.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    PirateSoftware (Thor) is a streamer and a game developer who is a narcissistic asshole. He's been very against the SKG petition since I think the start since if it passed he would be forced to keep supporting his games once they fail (it's happened before) and made a video trying to torpedo the petition some months ago by spreading disinformation that's easily disproven with a halfway decent level of reading comprehension. Recently the guy who runs the SKG petition announced that Piratesoftware was successful, which caused a lot of big streamers and Youtubers to catch on and call PirateSofware out while endorsing SKG, including MoistCritikal. Since then the number of signings have skyrocketed.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    Like the McRib and chlamydia, we're back baby!

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    [–] 102 points 1 year ago (19 children)

    WHAAAT LETSGOOOOO DABABY. Thank you PirateSoftware for the publicity :3

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  • [–] 70 points 1 year ago (18 children)

    And fuck you too btw PirateSoftware :)

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    Wait untill people realize that Ross Scott has had a running show, 'Freeman's Mind', going back to basically the fucking machinima days, where he just does a playthrough of all of Half Life and voices Gordon's inner thoughts.

    Its still on his youtube channel!

    https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6PNZBb6b9LvDWpI-5CPYUxG1Rnm-vr9V

    We are going to need another petition to get Ross an honorary title, a goddamned bust of an upraised fist in an HEV suit, clenching a crowbar, with 'For Exceptional Valor and Dutiful Service in the Defense of Video Gaming' emblazoned on its base.

    Let the memes flow!

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Holy shit that's him ?
    He my hero now

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I came for Freeman's Mind, stayed for the Game Dungeon, got deadgamepilled in the process.

    I highly recommend checking all of his stuff out.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Is this about the WoW incident? Or dit something else happen?

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Whats wrong with PirateSoftware? He runs a ferret rescue which doesn't claim any tax incentives and he teaches people about security and ethics, I've never heard of him having beef with anyone.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Yeah he seems pretty positive and helpful, so did his bias mislead him on this one?

    Also I wasn’t even sure he was still a huge fan of his former employer—but now that I think of it I guess he was really pleased with his time there, cuz he’s proud of his ban wave strategies and stuff

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    He tends to be condescending, toxic, and dishonest. I happened to watch this video the other day that covers a fair bit of stuff including the stop killing games petitions, if you've got 20 minutes.

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=R-RaQZPzhqU

    Things like

    • completely misrepresenting the stop killing games initiative.
    • bitching for quite a while that "someone" pulled a mob during a world of warcraft raid causing a wipe, going back to see who it was to remove them, seeing it was himself and then justifying why it was now the right call.
    • running away from his group in world of warcraft in a fight claiming he has no mana, while he's wasting moves to drain the last of his mana and he has ways of getting around half of it back. This was during some kind of creater guild thing where if you die you lose your character. So abandoning his team to save himself and lying about it.
    • banning/blocking everyone who criticizes or corrects him on these things
    • DMCA'd and threatened legal action on an indie dev for a parody game that included him as a cockroach.
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  • [–] 47 points 1 year ago

    Keep going! Who knows how many signatures will be ruled as invalid.

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    [–] 42 points 1 year ago* (21 children)

    Both are past 100k now! I want to issue a special "fuck you" to all the idiot streamers that tried to kill SKG. And of course a special "go fuck yourself" to PirateSoftware and Asmongold for being fuckwit right wing tools for corporations. You have a special place in my heart as illiterate lapdogs to shitty corporations and right wing shills.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    Asmonpoop is a moronic bum and people went from "this weirdo is strangely entertaining" to " let me hear what my moronic hobo-idol has to say about this".

    It is a little bit like how people supported Drumpf as a joke first.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Pirate Software too.

    They're both such idiot trolls.

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    PirateSoftware is what dumb people thinks a smart person acts like. His audience can't even pay attention unless he draws boxes in paint. I do understand how he can seem initially likeable, but if you watch him for more than a couple of hours you'll see his knowledge is shallower than a spilled glass of water.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Still in disbelief people think SKG is going to work. The premise fucking genocides the MMORPG genre. You kill games by implementing this horrible understanding of how games work.

    I have never seen more people support games who have no fucking idea how games work and it's the most frustrating shit ever. Pirate Software is right. It's not even a debate.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    It doesn't.

    It just requires that you provide a verson people can host themselves if you take your game offline.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    And if a company refuses? They're dead anyway. This is not well thought out and PS called it out. You have no actionable solution but are calling for one to just appear.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (7 children)

    If they refuse to make a totally reasonable addition to their game then yeah they can't publish it wow what a concept.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Lol so just kill all MMORPGs. Got it. You're so smart.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    I can literally play WOW private servers right now. I can host my own private server and play it single-player.

    What is being required is not complicated or difficult.

    If a developer wants to destroy their own project instead of taking the extra week of work it takes to let people locally host then that sounds like a really dumb decision.

    You're literally whining about nothing.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Oh okay then just make private servers for "dead" games. It's just that easy. What's your problem then?

    You keep contradicting yourself and it's embarrassing

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    No, it's much more reasonable to make devs put the hosting oprions they use in the code of the game for others to use instead of a community having to reverse engineer the net code and build their own tool.

    Your contradictions are destroying your argument dude. This is why nobody takes you seriously.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Lol you not understanding why that can't happen is what's sending me. There are so many issues with just the PREMISE of this that you don't even address.

    At what point is a game considered dead? When is a company obligated to provide access? Will the company be legally obligated to release character profiles? If yes, how does one stop third parties from modifying it/cheating prior to hosting? If no, it's everyone expected to restart ion company death? How will this access be granted or hosted? How long will this need to be available for? Who pays to keep this information hosted for that duration?

    There are so many fucking questions unanswered because you seem to think you can just throw fucking LAN ports on a game and it just work. Your brain is stuck in 2004 where all you needed was an IP address and port number. Games aren't that simple anymore and the ones that are, already fucking have it.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child)

    You not understanding the technology of game development has nothing to do with this fair ruling.

    Games used to always come with an option to play somehow by yourself offline.

    Sorry but this isn't a big issue, developers can do the bare minimum to make sure people are able to play a videogame they pay money for.

    You're gonna have to go find someone else to whine at about this now because I'm done engaging with you.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    "Games used to have it but I'm going to ignore why they don't now and demand it be like it used to be"

    You're bitching about the evolution of games, demanding they return to suit your preference without explaining how.

    Congrats, you're old and out of touch. Or just dumb. I don't give a shit which, just stop spewing misinformation.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Hold on there buddy! There's no reason to be derogatory towards hobos like that. I don't think I've ever been quite so offended on the internet as to have someone associate my good (user)name with the likes of Asmongold. If you don't bring that down a notch I'm gonna send the ghost of Woody Guthrie to haunt you until your dying days.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    They tried to kill it? Really? Like, “we must stop this from going forward!” In that way? Why would anyone attempt to stop it?

    I still think this is going to fail. But I’m not trying to stop it. I hope it succeeds.

    I also find the debate bros involved to be annoying.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Yep they actively campaigned against the petition and fundamentally misrepresented it.

    10 months ago PirateSoftware started a campaign against it starting here-ish: https://youtu.be/ioqSvLqB46Y

    Also 10 months Asmongold did a react video that supported PirateSoftware: https://youtu.be/AhVsyhjcndw

    PirateSoftware refused to acknowledge that he got several things wrong, and even refused to acknowledge it when confronted. He actively bans people with dissenting opinions in his stream so it wasn't surprising that he refused to acknowledge that he was wrong. About a week ago Charlie (aka Penguinz0) confronted him about it and he still refused respond to basic factual inaccuracies: https://youtu.be/6sJpTCitKqw

    Ross did a video talking about the whole thing last week as well: https://youtu.be/HIfRLujXtUo

    There's a lot more to it, but that's the broad strokes. I hope PirateSoftware's stream keeps declining until he is relegated to complete obscurity. Also, PirateSoftware can eat my entire ass.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I don't like Asmon but my understanding is he supports SKG. Am I wrong?

    Also I saw a clip of SomeOrdinaryGamers, which indicated that he tempered his support with a dash of (wrong) both-sides-ism. But it was only a clip.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Asmongold does that. Like the dude doesn't have any real opinions other than what gets views. If he sees the winds changing he'll pull a 180 in order to take the heat off himself. He also has hoards of followers and youtube minions to make him seem far more centerist than he is. He's like the personification of the alt-right playbook for dummies.

    I mean watch/listen to The Alt-Right Playbook series and tell me this is not what he does on a daily basis: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJA_jUddXvY7v0VkYRbANnTnzkA_HMFtQ

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I know about PirateDouchebag, but I am not aware of Asmongold's issue.

    I apologize but, let's say that I've living under a rock

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Asmongold is a megaphone for shitty opinions. Like I posted elsewhere he'll change his opinion if he gets called out, but the damage was done when he put it on the megaphone in the first place. His take on the "never play defense" is to not have any actual opinions when confronted then just go right back to saying other right wing bullshit.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Good job UK ! Now cancel Brexit and vote for the EU one !

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The hostility from the EU about the UK rejoining (especially from France) tells me that's not likely to happen.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Good. States shouldn’t be able to just go out on a whim and immediately go back in again like it’s a revolving door. The consequences should be severe for leaving. Otherwise voters in other member states will pull this shit as well, because they think they can just rejoin when the next pro EU government comes around. Also many voters in the UK voted for leave as a protest vote not because they actually wanted to leave. They didn’t understand the ramifications of their vote. Let the UK be the example of what a protest vote can cause.

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