To add insult to injury, what they call it, Deutschland, sounds like what we should call Netherlands

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[–] 31 points 10 months ago (5 children)

You have it backwards.

German in German is “Deutsch” or “Duits” in Dutch.

Dutch in Dutch is “Nederlands” or “Niederländisch” in German.

“Deutch” comes from an old high german word “diutisc” which meant “of the people”

“Dutch” comes from “Diest” meaning “people’s language”

When the Romans invaded England, they important the Latin “Germania” to refer to Germany and gradually started to use “Dutch” for the common people of the “lower countries” (Belgium and Netherlands)

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Where does “Alemania” (what they call Germany in Spain) come from?

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago

    AFAIK French has something similar. I might be wrong, but similarly to the Holland/Netherlands (Nederlanden) story, it was named after one of the tribes in Germany (alamanni, "all men"), before the great unification.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    I think the term "The Nethetlands" was coined after the Reformation and Counter-Reformation when the northern provinces ,which became Lutheran, separated from the southern provinces which remained Roman Catholic.

    The country was usually referred as "Holland" (a northern province) before then.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    There’s no actual difference in meaning/etymology between ‘Diets’ and ‘Deutsch’. They’re both derived from Proto-Germanic *þiudiskaz, meaning ‘of the people’. Well into at least the seventeenth century, probably the eighteenth (I’m basing this off what I’ve read myself in primary sources) ‘Duits’ was still commonly used in the Netherlands as well. It was essentially part of a distiction between ‘Duits’ and ‘Waals’, where those who were ‘Waals’ were the ‘others’.

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  • [–] 26 points 10 months ago (11 children)

    Technically, Japan is not called Japan in Japan. Its Nippon.

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    In France it’s called Japon.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    France also uses the world "nippon" as an adjective equivalent of "japanese"

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Same both Japón & Nipón for Spanish language but with its phonetics

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    [–] 22 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Just wait til' you hear about what they call Japan in Japan.

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  • [+] 30 points 10 months ago (13 children)
  • [–] 21 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

    It’s not really a mix-up. More a continuation of an old name for the language spoken in the Netherlands. The Dutch centuries ago called their language Diets/Duuts/Duits which means something like Germanic. This was before the countries Germany and the Netherlands existed.

    Diets is not a single language but a name for all the different regional languages spoken in the low lands. Diets is also known as Middle Dutch. The name was used to differentiate the languages from the Romance languages.

    Hence why the English called the people of the low lands Dutch since the people of the low lands said they were speakers of Diets/Duuts/Duits.

    Also in the Dutch national anthem there is a line that says “Ben ik van Duitsen bloed” “I am of Dutch/Deutsche blood” which does not refer to modern day Deutschland but to what all Germanic people in the low lands, what is now present day Netherlands, would call themselves back then.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    The Dutch centuries ago called their language Diets/Duuts/Duits which means something like Germanic.

    No, it means something like "people" or "of the people".

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    What do people from the Netherlands call themselves if not Dutch or the Dutch?

    Like, people from the United States call themselves Americans, there's the Spanish and French.

    Are they called Netherlanders or something?

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child)

    Well in Dutch they call themselves Nederlanders or Hollanders. Though Hollanders is technically only correct if they are from the Dutch province North-Holland or South-Holland

    here is a CGP Grey video about the difference between Holland and the Netherlands https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE_IUPInEuc

    And the reason why the Netherlands is also known as Holland is basically before the unification of the Low Lands every province was a self governing state and Holland was the richest province. Hence why most traders who went abroad from the Low Lands were people from Holland. It's therefore why people abroad would call the Low Lands Holland since Hollanders were the only people from the Low Lands they met and and after the Netherlands was formed the name Holland for that area stuck in many languages.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Most Dutch people I met just call it Holland. We do so in Denmark as well

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    "We" call it Holland because foreigners say "eh?" when we call it the Netherlands.

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  • [–] 64 points 10 months ago (9 children)

    Americans are slowly learning about the rest of the world.

    Better late than never.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    America was originally just the name of South America, then the English lazily coined the term "North America".

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    Entire nations: You cannot keep "America" for yourself. There is history, maps, books, the independence of other countries in the region called for the liberation of "America" (e.g. Simón Bolívar "the liberator of America"; "America for the Americans"; Sentimientos de la Nación: "America is free and independent of Spain and all other nations, governments, or monarchies").

    The U.S. of A.: Yeah... No. I'm America now. There's no other "America" because there's only North America and South America, 🤷🏼‍♂️ don't you know? And the land is The Americas because it's two in one. Duh. Erasure? I call it freedom! 🇺🇸🦅

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  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    The amazing thing is, people don’t refer to their home country by a two letter acronym.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    In Denmark we refer to the UK as England. If it's more official we call them Storbritannien but no one calls them that in everyday speech. It's just England.

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  • [–] 24 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Fun fact:

    You might know China as 中国

    But Chinatown is not China 中国 + Town 城

    I never heard of any Chinese diaspora use 中国城

    It's always 唐人街 Tang-People Street, Tang referring to China's most powerful dynasty, or 華埠 Hua-City, Hua also refers to Chinese people, it's actually a character in the official name of both PRC 中华人民共和国 (in simplified) and ROC 中華民國 (in traditional)

    Overseas Chinese is typically not referred as 中国人 but as 華人 (Hua People)

    Chinese Americans are not really referred to as "Americans" but the emphasis is put on the Citizenship, rather than being an "American"

    Like in 美籍華人 which Google Translate says is "Chinese American", but really transliterates to "Hua (meaning ethnic Chinese) Person with American Citizenship"

    To emphasis on the "American-ness" I'd have to use 華裔美國人 which transliterates to "American of Hua (aka: Chinese) Ethnicity", which I think would sound really weird and I think I'd get weird looks if I use the term 美國人 (American), so I probably would never call myself an "American" in front of Chinese-speaking people, but use 美籍華人 instead.

    (Sort of like code-switching. I call myself American in front of other Americans to fit in, but call myself 華人 (ethnic Chinese person) to other ethnic Chinese so I could also fit in.)

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    and Japan is is not Japan in Japan.

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    I'm a Newfoundlander. My sister felt betrayed when she found out that what we call turnips, most people call rutabegas

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Wait until you learn about Japan

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    What's Germany? You mean Německo?

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  • [–] 20 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (7 children)

    In Spanish Germany is Alemania. Just to add more confusion to this topic.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago*

    As someone from Czech Republic, I am not surprised. There are sometimes huge differences between country names in czech and English. And the closer the country is, the bigger the difference.

    For the German speaking countries eng - ger - cze:

    • Germany - Deutschland - Německo
    • Austria - Österreich - Rakousko
    • Switzerland - Sweiz - Švýcarsko

    Other examples (eng - cze):

    • Czech - Česko
    • Slovakia - Slovensko
    • Slovenia - Slovinsko
    • Greece - Řecko
    • Georgia - Gruzie
    • Spain - Španělsko
    • Greenland - Grónsko
    • Hungary - Maďarsko
    • Croatia - Chorvatsko
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  • [–] 19 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Likewise, Germans feel betrayed when they find out that you don’t call your country Deppendorf

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago

    And the country of Georgia isn't called Georgia either!

    And lets not even get into named country's in Sub-Saharan Africa.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago

    to fix it:

    🇳🇱Netherland, where Netherlanders live is Netherlands

    🇩🇪Dutchland, where Dutchlanders live is Dutch

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  • [+] 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    Same with Denmark = Danmark

    I know. It's a shocking difference. We call you guys Holland for some reason, though and every non-european I've ever met keeps thinking we are the same country. I was asked to say something in Dutch once and just looked blankly at the person.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Ah, but Canada is Canada. More or less consistent around the world. One of the few countries that is.

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  • [–] 20 points 10 months ago

    i really wonder where you are from

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago

    I believe trump will be renaming it due to his ancestry.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    There isn't called there when you are there. It's called here there.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    Saksa in finnish. And Finland is Suomi in finnish.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    Or Németország in Hungarian. And Hungary is Magyarország in Hungarian. Ország just means country, so they're just "German country" and "Hungarian country", literally.

    Most slavic countries also call Germany Německo or the like.

    This happens when there's no fast global media when you meet a new nation, and you can't copy someone else's homework to come up with a name for them. Or when you copy someone else's homework, instead of actually asking a member of that nation.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Nemetor sounds like a LOTR character

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (1 child)

    If you want LOTR character names, look up 🇮🇸 Icelandic names: there are

    • over 4900 people by the name of Guðrún
    • over 4400 — Sigurður
    • over 4200 — Guðmundur
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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    I still cannot get over the fact that Tolkien based Middle Earth and several characters in Lord of the Rings on friggin Djursland in Denmark. I live an hour away from the real life Helms Deep, Isengard and so on. There's even a local myth in the area that directly inspired the characters of Aragorn and Eowyn who were split onto two characters. The original myth was about a chief's daughter who had to reclaim her dead father's legendary sword and thereby set him free from the curse that kept him and his men trapped as ghosts. I forget if their Graves were on Helm Island or if it was somewhere else. It's just really cool and super random. Apparently there are official Tolkien tours. I don't have to go to New Zealand to experience middle earth xD I have the original lame version at home.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (2 children)

    The first time the inhabitants of what is now Germany and what is now Hungary met, there were no nations at all. People have been communicating and trading with those from far-off lands for longer than the concept of nation even existed, which is a major contributor to why these names are so different.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    True, my bad for a poor word choice. I guess 'people' would have been more appropriate. But I guess the rest holds.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    Yeah true, then it works.

    Endonyms often turn out to derive from "people" in some language or other, but exonyms could come from anything like "the people on the other side of the hill/river/swamp" or "the rich people" or "the people who herd sheep" or "the people who really like goat's milk". There's an inherent asymmetry between naming the one group of "us" and all the groups of people who are not "us"!

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Wait'll you hear about Japan.

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