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[–] 255 points 10 months ago (28 children)

My great grandma had a similar story, the bus stop was in front of my grandparent's bedroom, they hated that people would gather in their bedroom window. she asked for the stop to be moved a few meters down the road, so it is between the houses and not in front of it. the municipality denied her.

Until that point the bus stop was nothing but a sign, she heard that they were going to remove it and install a proper bus stop with a bench and shade.

She asked the city build it a few meters down, still nothing.

the night before they began construction, my great grandma just moved the sign to where she wanted it. they built the bus stop where the sign was, and today, that bus stop is still where she wanted it to. Possibly until perpetuity

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  • [–] 101 points 10 months ago

    Possibility: They know it’s in the wrong spot. They don’t know why. So they figure someone screwed up, they don’t know who, but they don’t want it to be them or their department. So nobody says anything, and the stop remains unchanged.

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  • [+] -95 points 10 months ago (26 children)

    Yeah screw the public, she deserves her view

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  • [–] 73 points 10 months ago (22 children)

    How's the public screwed in this?

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  • [+] -46 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (21 children)

    We have no knowledge of why it was there in the first place, we're only given one side of the story. Maybe this was closer to a crosswalk, or nextdoor was less safe. We don't even know if the stop existed there before she moved in. We don't know. All we know is old lady didn't like view of people outside her window and decided that instead of dealing with it she had to change it herself.

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  • [–] 37 points 10 months ago (16 children)

    you are free to give it the worst possible reading. it is a story I heard from family of events that happened maybe 70 years ago. the stakes couldn't be lower. unless you figure which municipality and bus stop were talking about, then you can complain and have the bus stop reinstated in front of the bedroom I might inherit someday

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    High stakes indignation, the highest possible. People with real problems don't get that high.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    it was a trivial problem with a trivial solution. a complete non issue.

    if it's a trivial problem with hard solutions, then suck it. if it's a real problem with trivial solution, then fix it already.

    but trivial problem with a trivial solution? that's just good enough for a family anecdote.

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  • [+] -28 points 10 months ago (13 children)

    I'm forced to give it the worst possible reading because we don't have the other side. Personally, I read this as some HOA type who can't be bothered to have a few people milling around while waiting for the bus.

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  • [–] 18 points 10 months ago (11 children)

    For context I got a picture of the place in google maps. and discovered that said bus station is no longer there at all, but I have marked were the bedroom is, the original location (straight in front of their window. and the exchanged location, no one was inconvenienced by that change. and albeit it was a minor inconvenience for my great grandparents, the fix was trivial.

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  • [+] -38 points 10 months ago (10 children)

    To me, that's even less of a reason. They could still see in, she could still see them, I side with the city still. What was the point of moving it except wasting taxpayer money?

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  • [+] 14 points 10 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago

    I'll say the noise factor is the first reason that I've heard could be a legitimate issue for the person living there, I appreciate that reason. If that was the case, then I would back it, but also I live ~1 block from the bus stop and I can hear the air brakes from my house through walls, so I would think they are pushing it to their neighbor's house instead of talking about the actual problem with the city.

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  • [–] 20 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    How exactly was any tax payer money wasted? the whole exchange cost nothing at all.

    And siding with some municipality Karen from the 50s is one hell of a specific hill to die on. lets face it, you are objectively wrong. despite the non existence evidence and records of this event, you are still wrong.

    Chances are the municipality did not want to spend the funds (practically costs nothing) to move a sign a few metres, but it mattered a lot to the residents. and when they had to rebuild it, then it would have been free to move. instead they were stubborn and lazy and all it took is a bit of direct action.

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  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Hold on, you never said residents. If this was a neighborhood-wide push then I would be open to it. The neighborhood may have a good reason to say bus stop should be here or there, if there were many home owners asking for a change then that is something I would agree with. Maybe there's a coffee shop a block away that more people congregate at and it would be better used there, maybe people don't want to j-walk to catch their bus. Those are reasons that make it worth changing - for the good of the public and the neighborhood.

    However, if it was one house then as I've said and stand by, I view it as selfishness. I see it as one person dictating how many others can or can not go about their time on public property, and trying to dictate to the city where they can or cannot put public services on their own land. I don't care if it was 70 feet or 700 feet, it's one person with a minor, tiny, insignificant change. I said this elsewhere and I stand by it:

    They didn’t want to see them out their window? Deal with it. You want privacy? Close the curtains or pay to put up a fence. Someone is loud? They’re there for 20 minutes max until the next bus. Or what is most likely from the photo - they probably wanted a parking space there. I don’t see any reason to push to move it that wasn’t selfish.

    The best reason I heard is that maybe it was an issue with how loud the bus was, that one may have credence. However, pushing it closer to the neighbor doesn't seem like a solution, and it seems like it should be a neighborhood discussion.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (2 children)

    damn, you cannot be a real human, why would a bot be told to be such a contrarian.

    in the 70 years that said station was relocated no one even noticed. I really hope I never end up becoming your neighbour, you sound insufferable to live near to.

    you'll call the municipality if my bins are an inch out of place.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    Ironically, no. I'm saying your grandma sounds like that person who would call in the bins.

    I'm saying that your scenario of the bins is the same as the bus stop. Just deal with it, ignore it, and live peacefully. It's a molehill she made a mountain out of.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (1 child)
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    because to me it's pure NIMBY-ism. Maybe it's because I'm a city guy, who is used to whatever going on around my home, but it's just a weird thing from my perspective to get upset about. I personally just don't see anything that's worth going to city council and complain about. To me I see a bus stop which from the image below looks like it's a very suburban street so we're talking a few dozen people a day, max. Whatever the reasons were in my opinion were selfish. They didn't want to see them out their window? Deal with it. You want privacy? Close the curtains. Someone is loud? They're there for 20 minutes max until the next bus. Or what is most likely from the photo - they probably wanted a parking space there. I don't see any reason to push to move it that wasn't selfish.

    It's the city's property. It's on the city's sidewalk, it's for the city bus, and street parking is public funds for private vehicles. It's theirs to do with as they will. The homeowner has rights up to the edge of the property. The city has a duty to provide ingress and utilities to that property. To me it's the definition of Karen-ing.

    People disagree with me. Fine, but I'm holding my ground. I call it selfish. Yeah it's 70 feet, but it all in my mind is "The city must change their plan and their property for my convenience"

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  • [–] 18 points 10 months ago

    or maybe the city council couldn't be bothered to move the sign a few meters to the left, and the fact that the construction still went through and nobody complained or pointed out any possible problems means that it was a non-issue

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  • [–] 65 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Guy did this in LA, correctly noting a lane on the 110 that goes to the 5 North.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    This is done in a number of overpasses on the DC beltway and “mixing bowl”

    A road may go North while the other direction goes East and the signs will point that out but the road might actually be labeled South for a bit despite the sign saying East.

    So folks have rappelled off the overpasses and painted EAST and an arrow or NORTH and an arrow in places like this.

    And everyone clapped.

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  • [–] 174 points 10 months ago* (31 children)

    I wonder what problem the original sign addressed. Because forbidding turning right for 2 ½ hours every morning sounds extremely specific, and sounds like one neighbor in particular had some beef with another or something, and got the city to put up the sign.

    And maybe that neighbor left, or whichever problem was being addressed didn't exist anymore.

    I know that's a thing because a long time ago, we had a "15mph - blind children at play" sign in our street, until someone pointed out that the blind child in question was now an adult and had moved out years ago, and the sign was just annoying everybody for nothing 🙂

    In other words, the guy might have replaced a useless sign with another, equally useless one on his own dime. Maybe he could simply have called the city to wonder what the sign was for, and possibly have it reviewed and removed altogether.

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  • [–] 185 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Given the original sign covered 7-9.30am seems like it's to prevent people cutting across traffic during peak commuting time either to prevent accidents or improve the flow of traffic.

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  • [–] 28 points 10 months ago*

    There is a sign like this at the end of my street. It’s morning and evening rush times. The turn in question is an offset intersection through a busy road. If you are to take a left off my street you can easily be hit by someone taking a right from the street across into the middle of the road to then take a left from the perpendicular road onto my street. The city put some surveyors out there for a bit and with the accident data and all that determined my street can’t make our left at certain times but the street across can snake their way across town just fine. The 2 streets on either side of mine are just fine to left turn from, they don’t have the offset intersection. Nobody gets pulled over for the turn either but I’m sure if you caused an accident you would get an extra citation.

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  • [–] 33 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah true. But I reckon it was worth asking.

    Also, sometimes, all it takes is asking a carve-out to make your life easier.

    For instance, he could have asked the city to add an "except residents" sign under the existing one. At least where I live, you'd be surprised how accommodating the administration can be if you simply ask nicely with a good argument.

    Hell, he could have added the sign himself for cheaper and I bet none of the other residents would have complained about it 🙂

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago

    Realllly depends on the city. Some places won’t even reply to you for months, and when they do it’ll be a bullshit answer because you’re not of the developers bribing them with millions of dollars…

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    There is a guy down the road that used to have someone riding down his street with a loud muffler and blaring music trying to hyped up for work every morning around 8:30 So instead of putting a sign up that said no turn between 8-9, he figured if he put up a sign that said 7-9:30 it would seem specific and no one would question it. They would all think it was curated by engineers and traffic studies. Nah, dude just wanted to sleep in because he worked nights.

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  • [–] 63 points 10 months ago* (8 children)

    7-9:30a Definitely speaks to it being rush-hour specific.

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  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    How can it be rush hour when it’s two and a half hours long?

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  • [–] 39 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    It covered Rush Hour and a portion of Rush Hour 2. Not 3, because the city is no fun.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Perhaps that's done in the afternoon but OOP didn't mention it because it wasn't relelvant?

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Maybe it wasn't obvious, but I was referring to the runtime of the Javkie Chan movies.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    No apparently my comment wasn't obvious enough. I was attempting to imply that the afternoon rush hour traffic may have a similar restriction, during which Rush Hour 2 could be finished and Rush Hour 3 shown, but OOP didn't include whether such a restriction existed in the afternoon, as they would not typically be traveling by the same route in the afternoon, hence no need to change a presumably separate sign indicating the hypothetical afternoon/evening restriction.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

    Because the busy period in the morning and evening are more than 1 hour long about everywhere with people having differing work schedules that all begin and end within similar but not exact time frame.

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  • [+] 35 points 10 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    But my commute! You don't understand it's so long if I don't put school children at risk!

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  • [–] 18 points 10 months ago

    If you bring it up, then it could end up in some bureaucratic limbo where nothing ever gets done. And then afterwards if you go to change it yourself they’ll figure it was you. So maybe easier just to change it yourself in the first place?

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    There's a sign by my house, on a road I need to turn right on at about 420 every day, that says no right-on-red turns between 730am to 430pm on school days.

    It's frustrating, because it doesn't seem like it's actually protecting children for 9 hours a day

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

    His sign wasn't useless, the new one was about 20% less useless.

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  • [–] 42 points 10 months ago

    We have a road that goes under a bridge so that you can make a right to go east on a 4 lane road. People would sit at that corner waiting to go left and it caused massive backups. (Which made no sense, why go under the bridge then? Use a different corner and make a right to go west!). We asked the city to make it right turn only - they interpreted it slightly differently and thought we meant people were heading straight the wrong way up a one way, rather than turning to that corner, came and put a temporary sign. I went with one of my kids, wearing safety vests, and moved the temporary sign to the corner we wanted it at.

    Later the city came and put the permanent sign where we had it, and ALSO changed the paint on the road to make it one way right at the corner and disallowed left turns INTO that corner, they just broadly said no left. Which is good. Nobody should be stopping at the bottom of a bridge to wait to make a left turn.

    It's not like NOBODY does the left anymore, but there are not backups now because nobody is going to sit there waiting to go left, they get honked at.

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  • [–] 54 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    Did you know you can just rent a line painting tool and buy a high vis vest and hard hat?

    You can just get all the things you need to make a bike lane.

    Nobody will question you.

    Be the change.

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Unfortunately people just park on bike lanes, so there's no good damn point.

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  • [–] 26 points 10 months ago

    Now that's what I call first world anarchy

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  • [–] 20 points 10 months ago

    Remember that guy that made that highway exit sign in California? https://youtu.be/26-4oARwfF4

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  • [–] 36 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    One of my favorite modern day quotes recently has been:

    "People really do be using their free will out here."

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Flock is getting kicked out of towns left and right.

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I spent a weekend just filling all the potholes on my road. It wasn’t that expensive and it didn’t take long either. Turns out you can just do what you want

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    My friends and I stole a speed limit sign over a decade ago and they still haven't replaced it.

    They did replace the one on the other side of the road about 4 years ago.

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  • [–] 26 points 10 months ago

    20 years ago, our town had a war over an intersection.

    Someone decided to upgrade a 3 way intersection, for a a dirt road going into the woods off a main artery. (rumored someone in town planning bought a house on that road and was trying to make it so they didnt have to wait a long time for a gap in traffic)

    So they made it a 3 way stop unsteady of just the dirt road having a stop sign. This caused tragic to back up miles on either side, as it was pretty much the only stop on the main road going out to the town's comercial district (100s of work vehicles traveling it at 9 and 5)

    Almost immediatley, People started coming out with chain saws, and wpuld cut down the 4x4 wood signpost. Leaving the stump and the concrete block in the ground. Fairly quickly, the town ran out of room on the narrow strip between the road and the bike path, and started hammering in metal posts, wedged between the buried cement supports.

    Guys with welders on their trucks started cutting those down flush with the ground. At one point, a cop car was stationed there overnight.

    The police report detailed 2 trucks, with chain strung between them, driving on either side of the post at speed, wrapping the sign, and tearing it out of the ground before dropping the chain.

    Thst was about as far as it got before town meeting, where an inquest was called for into the appropriateness , and approval process, and who had put in the work order etc. (There was some passage about the planning board being able to make minor changes to signage, etc without impact studies, and going through the approval process (which includes open forum, and with enough detractors to a project can force it to be put to a vote)

    The main point of contention being how anyone qualified to be in that position could think that something that caused a 30-60 minute delay on a 5 mile road qualified as a 'minor change'

    Iirc the whole thing ended with the town cementing over that little strip (covering over all the metal and wood protrusions, and effectively signaling a stop sign couldn't be put there anymore) and then several members of the planing commision, resigning their posts, which made the inquest moot.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago

    Respect.

    I did a speed bump out of gravel and sprayfoam at 3am back a couple years ago. It worked ok for a couple weeks.

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  • [–] 27 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    Looking to bulk order "pedestrian zone" and "cycles only" signs some time soon 👀

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    I have on numerous occasions considered ordering bike route signage to place up on bike safe routes. The city has official signs for it but puts basically none up. If I could just order a lot more to put up it could encourage more folks to join.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    I'm French, so we have the standard European signs, which should be easy enough to order 👀

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (4 children)

    You don't have bike routes in France?

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    We do have them, but not enough of them 😈

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    Huh, that's a bit surprising to me. I moved from a small non-highway connected town last year, and there was a pedestrian and bike path the entire 32 kilometre way from that town to the bigger nearby city.

    Wonder how many bike that distance. Honestly must be a really nice path to bike in the summer.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    I'd say the problem is more bad bike paths than no bike paths.

    Nowhere near as bad as in the US, but many places still have bike paths that just suddenly end, painted bike «gutters» on busy streets...

    Overall it's pretty good, but quite inconsistent.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    France, while still seeing progress, is heavily car-focused. You'll see car streets in cities that can barely fit an Aygo. I only know as a tourist, though, so it might be better in areas I haven't visited.

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