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Sealed in batteries on smartphones and Surface tablets.
The device will eventually reach a point where it won't even boot (or shuts down randomly) when plugged in because the charger connection isn't actually wired to power the main board without going through the battery first (most smartphones) or the device consumes more power than the port is designed to deliver (Surface).
Dealing with this right now. Battery is 4 years old and going weak, decided to no longer recognize any charger below a certain battery percentage (like 72%) unless it's wireless. Thought it bricked itself when it first happened until seeing it's an issue with the batteries used for this model just straight up rejecting to charge for many heavy users. Getting a new phone soon since its so inconvenient while working outside.
I had an LG phone for a few years until one night it literally just died on me. I was messing around on it one night, just scrolling randomly, then I set it down for a few minutes to play a game. When I went to check my phone again, it wouldn't turn on or anything.
I've been successful in replacing built-in batteries in 2 different phones. Granted my families phones are all > 4 years old so maybe it's gotten much harder lately.
Clothing!
Lots of clothes only last a couple of years then they break apart, holes appears, etc...
We have a local collective that fixes clothes and its helped keep them alive for 10+ years now. But jeens, shirts, ect that are newer seem to be worse somehow. They don't last nearly as long.
Agree. My jeans have been wearing out at the knees within a couple years and I'm middle-aged so I'm NEVER on my knees for more than a few seconds. Apparently they're averse to bending. π€¨
The entire smartphone industry.
I use five year old smartphone (Pixel 4a). I can afford a new one, but I don't need a new one, and it would be worse in ways I care about (bigger, probably without a headphone jack), without being better in any way that really matters to me, so I don't want a new one.
Official software updates ended a couple years ago, but I'm running LineageOS and I got an update this week. Google has intentionally made it hard for most people to use LineageOS or any other Android distribution not blessed by Google as their primary phone by allowing app developers to check whether it's Google-approved. For now, I can usually work around that, but it would be too big a hurdle for most people.
The kernel is getting pretty old though; it's 4.14 when I'm up to 6.17 on my laptop. This is because SOC vendors don't release open source drivers, nor maintain the proprietary ones for very long.
Finally, there's the battery. Mine is in great shape because I use AccA to limit charge to 60% most of the time, but charging to 100% as most people do would have greatly reduced its capacity by this point. Replacing it requires melting glue and some risk of damage. Most phones are like that now (though that's changing due to EU regulation).
What do you do on the phone? Browsing? Aren't all the drivers out of date including the android version? My impression is that, the security primarily is completely lacking because of dated drivers and the android version
Messaging, web browser, podcasts, navigation, a couple services that require a phone to access. I tend to not install apps that could be websites.
Hardware drivers are surely dated. Android, on the other hand is 15, and I assume getting updated to 16 soon. I think I'm pretty good with regard to the sort of zero-click exploits I've heard of used for targeted attacks. If somebody slipped a trojan into a software update, I could have a problem, especially if it was a privileged app like AccA or Adaway. Of course, updated drivers wouldn't protect me from that.
I loved my Pixel 4a with LinageOS. It was the perfect form factor. Sadly, I had to give it up when my banking app decided that it was exclusively only for Android/IOS and deemed LinageOS to "unsafe" which was bull shit.
My GF had one. Battery was bad, normal consumer use OFC. Somewhere last year the play services security check changed. It was just invalidated by Google like 2 years after she bought it or something? Crazy.
But the thing that killed it was Google purposefully downgrading the battery so it was almost literally unusable. Would just die at 50%. She got 50 USD back. Not worth it at all.
I will take my bloated Samsung eith amazing hardware over Google's piece of shit policy any day now. My phone is almost 5 years old and works without any issues. OS updates stopped but we have intermittent security updates this year.
EDIT: I forgot to mention I spent literal over a hundred hours trying to fix a charging issue on the 4a that came with it which was a software bug. Worst I have ever experienced in tech actually.
That sounds like a very negative experience, pretty much opposite to my experience with the same model.
She got 50 USD back. Not worth it at all.
50 USD was one of the compensation options Google offered; a battery replacement was another. The latter might have been wise if she wanted to keep using the phone.
Washing machines. In the stores, you see a shiny stainless steel drum, but holding up the drum is a raw aluminum spindle. Those spindles corrode with typically caustic laundry detergents to last about 6 years. Replacement was possible, with a day of work. Now, manufacturers seal the drum unit with welded plastic so replacement is impossible.
Windows 11's TPM requirements.
I recently built a brand new computer for my uncle. He was running a 3rd gen Core i7 machine running Windows 7. I get a call that it won't boot. I do manage to get it booted, the SMART data shows the hard drive is on its last eyebrows, and anyway he's running an OS that's three generations out of date.
I'm a big Linux user, I've got my aunt running Linux Mint. My uncle is such a dunce at computers I don't think I can do that, because he lacks the vocabulary to tell me what he wants his computer to do. "I might use it for business." In his line of work that could mean anything from going to quickbooks.com to needing some piece of Windows-only shitware. So "Get a .exe from somewhere" had to remain intact.
For everything he actually does with that computer, that old 3rd gen i7 was fine. Replace the hard disk with a SATA SSD, maybe replace the weird 2-4-2-4 some but not all of it is dual channel 12GB of RAM with two 8 GB sticks of DDR3 and let it roll...except no currently supported version of WIndows runs on this computer.
For a large number of people, computers became objectively fast enough in 2015. That's about when SSDs became standard equipment, fixing any hardware reason for "damn this thing is slow" even out of midrange consumer hardware. Gamers, home labbers and AI startups need more power, the rest of the world doesn't. And that was a problem for Microsoft.
I actually see the TPM requirement as a good thing bc it will help kill Windows as a gaming platform. Once the AI Bubble bursts, gaming will be cheaper again and with a destroyed economy, many kids will start gaming as itβs a relatively cheap hobby and their family might nit afford expensive holidays anymore. Mobile PCs like the SteamDeck need to become mainstream as sitting for long periods is extremely unhealthy, especially for children.
I'm hoping the steam frame gets more people into vr. Just standing up to play video games is so much better for you.
VR is even better, didnβt think of that. It is honestly quite annoying having to sit in a dark room at a desk to game. Iβm definitely getting a Steam Frame just so I can play normal games from my bean bag or the living room.
AI startups need more power
The only point I disagree with. Apart from a few special usecases, the AI BS can go to hell.
Laboratory instruments controlled by shitty software that's somehow tied to a particular version of Windows, and won't work with 11. And, of course, the manufacturer won't update it, because they'd much rather you drop a quarter million on the new model.
You just reminded me I still have an inspection camera which can only work with software that requires Windows XP, last time I used it I had to run it on a virtual machine on my laptop,,, itβs been a few years, I probably donβt have the VM anymore. The camera works perfectly, I wish Iβd paid the extra for the one with its own screen.
A lot of manufacturers just didn't give a rat's ass about 64bit drivers. Those devices are the ones that are usually stuck on Windows XP. That happened well into the Vista era (which already came with a 64bit edition*), it's infuriating.
*XP also had a 64bit release, but it wasn't widely adopted.
Loved having to search on freaking Wayback Machine for a driver that existed in the Windows XP era.
CPAP, comes with a cell chip in it to relay data for the Dr to monitor/access. Cell chip stops working after 5 years.
Edit: Realized this could use more clarity. The cell plan for the chip expires after 5 years and cannot be renewed, meaning the entirely functional machine needs to be replaced or the Dr can't properly monitor necessary vitals.
I got mine from a Canadian reseller, shipped to the us that doesn't have the Sim + I own. If I would have went with the official insurance way, it would have cost 2x ish AND the machine itself can magically last for 10 years since it's a Canadian model....and all the parts are the same.
Interesting! FYI, not all Doctors require the constant monitoring, so some people can keep using the same machine longer.
Windows 11 refusing to install on hardware it can absolutely run on.
IP rating on smartphones so there's seals and glue everywhere and opening them up is a fucking nightmare.
My desktop won't run Windows 11 according to Windows 11. But if I make a VM with fake TPM on it, it will run perfectly well inside a VM on a machine that won't run it lol
Dumbest thing about those IP ratings is that they donβt even provide any warranty rights for water damage.
"IP rating only describes the sealing properties at the time of assembly and may deteriorate with time." my ass!
Windows 11 refusing to install on hardware it can absolutely run on.
RUFUS is not only a great tool with which to build your USB installer (it has an option to download the correct and latest ISO directly from Microsoft), but in the subsequent steps it also asks if you want to modify the installer in some pretty useful ways. Such as bypassing a Microsoft account in favour of a local account, and neutering some of the more recent requirements. IIRC the TPM 2.0 requirement can still be nerfed.
U can still force an install on older hardware, I did it on my old Lenovo laptop and have t had an issue! Just takes a command to make it install despite "not officially being supported"
@innermachine @bobo1900 As of recently, you can officially install Win11 on unsupported hardware, you just have to click a prompt acknowledging that you're on your own when you do it.However, there's nothing saying MS won't rugpull that and start blocking Win11 on unsupported hardware again.
I know, but many people barely know what "supported hardware even mean", they will see the message " this computer won't receive any more updates" and simply buy a new one.
An unfortunate product of our consumer society :/ nobody knows shit about the crap they use every day any more! I remember when owning a car meant learning to do spark plugs and oil changes, now most people couldn't hang their spare on the side of the road if their life depended on it nevermind be bothered to figure out what hardware is in their porn browsing device.
65" Hisense TV. Bought it new and 1.5 years later the motherboard died. Scoured the Internet for the part and it turned out Hisense didn't even sell it, you had to buy secondhand used boards.
But it must have been a common problem b/c over ~6 months even the resellers were permanently sold out. Recycled it in the original packaging.
IMO companies like that should be forced to recycle every scrap of their e-waste themselves.
Should have still been under warranty?
Yeah, just out of warranty unfortunately
This is long in the past so I'm not coming at you but for others reading this, most credit cards give you an extra year warranty on top of manufacturers.
Oh damn, probably I could have claimed that then. Thanks for the tip!
Yeah but it the scheme of life you're not out much.
I used to repair/rebuild TVs as part of my side hustle and I can absolutely confirm Hisense are the worst for parts, and no they don't sell them! But also think about it... they're shit products and the capacitors on the inverters burst constantly. You'd get another year before the replacement went byebye so really? Some products you just want out of your life. If it helps you feel better.
Hisense are just disposable TVs. It's hard for me to accept that's how ridiculous it's gotten with the churn of tech and gadgets.
Holy moly the stories I could tell you about how repair un-friendly they purposely make TVs... but I don't want to get myself all wound up lol
Oof, I'm used to two as a minimum. (Looked it up, it's by law)
itβs by law
Where?
Probably only got the 1 year manufacturer warranty
Got to be Apple slowing down older iPhones to mask battery degradation, and hoping no one would notice.
Not only that, but also silently removing contacts when you didn't update and connected it up to iTunes. That same day I bought my first android.
Not come across that one, maybe it didnβt affect iOS 16, so us iPhone X users are safe?
It is funny that all the responses so far have been about phones.
Android does this by just bloating the software out and reinstalling games I uninstalled. It's gotten to the point that I'm not sure if its actually dialing out or not when I make a call.
Apple pisses me off. I have a 2012 MacBook Pro that could have continued to be supported, Apple just decided it wasn't in their best interest to continue supporting it and if I want to continue I'll just have to buy a new one!
My MacBook is on MacOS 13 thanks to open core legacy.
Mine is on Debian 13; I love my little 13" 2012 MBP!
This is one of the worst companies. They are about saving the planet with recycling their products. They don't. Its all ends in landfills. Its all a grift.
I love to shit on companies for doing evil shit (like Apple removing Targeted Display Mode from their iMacs), but Apple did the right thing here, but communicated it in the worst way possible.
I had an old iPhone that would randomly shut down when it drew too much power for the old battery to provide. If they hadn't done the fix, I would have had to get a new phone; it just wasn't reliable anymore. With the fix, things were slow, but they worked. Honestly, this is the opposite of planned obsolescence.
Iβm going to respectfully disagree; had the phone kept shutting down you would have gone to Apple or a 3rd party repairer and got a new battery for 30-80Β£β¬$.
By masking the real issue and just giving you a poor experience, you wonder if it was always like that, or if there is something wrong at all, maybe you compare it with a snappy new phone and decide to upgrade for 1000Β£β¬$
$30 to $80 is half the price of a new (used) phone.
Half the price isn't bad to get more longevity out of a phone. And a different used phone will probably have to have its battery replaced fairly soon enough, too
At that point my phone is usually cracked and worth upgrading, but with each phone I go through I try to take better care of it. But so far I've never liked a phone so much that it was worth replacing the battery. But I have bought the exact same model of phone 2-3 times as replacements (esp when I broke one by dropping it)
This may be the difference here, I have never broken a phone, my iPhone 6 became my dads and is still going, and my current phone is the iPX I bought over 8 years ago.
You probably need to take better care of your stuff. π
Where are you getting an iPhone for less than $160 that still gets security updates??
I can replace my iPX for about $200 for a refurbished one, but not get an 11 which will only have 9 more months of updates. I can probably get a used 11 with an already trashed (<70%) battery for $160.
I've refused to buy another Apple product after the slow down basically disabled my iPhone 4. I was even looking at a new iPhone, but it left such a bad taste in my mouth I've been android ever since.
It's funny, because if they just made this a "battery preserve" option, it would probably be hailed as genius and put in every single phone on the planet by now.
Probably doesn't count as I didn't buy it, so I'm technically not dealing with it. But let's talk about electric riding lawnmowers. Last year I was looking to replace my 20+ year old riding lawnmower with an electric one. Could not find a single manufacturer who would also provide the parts lists. Digging deeper, seems like they simply do not sell parts, like at all. The mowers just aren't repairable - straight up, if it breaks, buy a new one. That's irresponsible when talking about an electric drill, but a full riding mower? WTF?
To be fair, this might be a chicken & egg problem. Low adoption rates means there's a very small market for parts, so there's no aftermarket support. And that aftermarket is where I get parts for my current mower. So maybe it's not fair to blame the manufacturer? But I think that's a stretch. From where I'm standing, it sure looks like intentional planned obsolescence.
Had a chrome book that worked just fine but unbeknownst to me had an expiration date that started counting down at its date of manufacture, not the date of purchase.
The thing worked great, but no more security updates after 3 years.
it can be relatively easy to get linux in chromebooks, i love them
i bought an Acer CB311 intel (x86) second hand for half the price and put linux on it like 4 years ago, it was my main computer until last year my dog knocked a glass of water next to it (it's alive but i messed up the screen and keyboar using the blow drier)
after that i bought a new acer CB314 (arm cpu) and have been really happy with it
longest baterry lives ive seen and they are perfect for some light development
Samsung Galaxy S8 Pro. It's one of these curved phones with glass on the back.
The front glass is hardened Gorilla Glass. The back glass breaks when you're looking at it wrong. Because of the curved soapbar style, the phone easily slips out of your hand, shattering the back glass.
I am very delicate with my phones and never broke one in all of my life. The S8 was the final boss for me, though. I had to have the back glass repaired two times, one time it just fell off of my bed which is only 15cm above the floor. Fuck you, Samsung.
Something Iβve personally noticed as someone who will perform a light disassemble before tossing an βbrokenβ item.
The plug in oil heaters that look like radiators. Efficient, low cost. 3 now, total. The knob spins and I can no longer turn it on. Unplug. Unscrew. And a broken Dshaft knob falls out. They donβt make it obvious and easy to get to these knobs, you have to remove the large side panel without bothering the wires to get to a small panel to unscrew to get to the knobs. Then you have to find or make a Dshaft knob to fit, which isnβt easy.
Not familiar with exactly what you are talking about but Amazon sells universal Dknobs for $8. You put whatever size you need into the knob.
Send me dimensions and I'll 3d print a half dozen to send your way.
Also, 3d print services exist if you can find a model that works online... Or if you have a printer a knob if like. 05c worth of filament.
6mm arenβt necessarily 6mm on Amazon. And when they do fit, theyβre not ideal. Typically a hazard for snapping off the rod at the base, so itβs used like a key instead of a perma knob. Presently have another one, but it is 7mm.
I think Iβm going to mill one out of wood, drill a hole, place tape across part of that hole, and use resin to make the flat half. Which is ridiculous and tiresome.
Win11... The amount of perfectly good hardware that became ewaste in October is insane to me
Don't know if it's planned obsolescence or just laziness but all of my Nintendo Switches have at least a little drift and I've bought at least two replacement sets of joy-cons AND replaced just the joystick on one unit (PITA and replacements didn't work 100% so I stopped repairing).
I sent mine in to Nintendo to get fixed, I think they had to do it for free.
Check out hall effect replacement sticks next time, better than new and supposed to hold up a while
Xbox controllers are really bad about this too. I've had like three or four Xbox controllers get stick drift on me in the last 6 or 7 years.
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