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[–] 226 points 11 months ago (46 children)

I tgink I heard of that. Didn't the "scientist" just like self isolate, angry that they didn't fight eachother, while the other passengers became lifelong friends and had a great time?

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  • [–] 315 points 11 months ago (34 children)

    It went beyond that. In an attempt to ferment discontent in the group he started reading their reports out loud. Airing all their dirty laundry. Instead of getting them mad at each other he basically forced them to settle all their issues and form together, closer than ever. After that didn't work he started trying to usurp authority from the captain that he selected because he thought as a woman she would crumble under the pressure of command. His greatest accomplishment as the new captain was damaging a fuel line and failing to fix it by swimming in the fuel and water.

    If I remember correctly they had to rescue him and distract him while they fixed it themselves and after that he basically sulked in the corner of the raft. Only getting the balls to try something near the end of the experiment, trying to Shanghai the raft and expand the experiment to try and force his theories into reality. After they finally got back the subjects would get together every few years to relive the good old days without him.

    It's ironic, by trying to get them to hate each other he accidentally became something for all of them to rally against.

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  • [–] 147 points 11 months ago (11 children)

    ferment discontent

    I'm stealing this typo.

    (It's "foment", but I love the imagery of rotten, festering discontent)

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  • [–] 52 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    You know, you reminded me of a vague memory. Making that same mistake in school, being corrected, and deciding that I liked it better my way. I was a stubborn child.

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  • [–] 33 points 11 months ago (2 children)
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    Fermenting is usually when you make something rot in a specific way that makes something delicious. In that vein I propose it be applied to the exact sort of situation on the raft where someone tries to forment a discontent raft and accidentally fermented a friend ship.

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  • [–] 50 points 11 months ago* (5 children)

    That's awesome. Like he was really hoping for some dismal and dark exposé on "savage human nature" a la "Lord of the Flies", and at every turn, proven wrong by people who were happy to just get along and cooperate for mutual benefit...

    ... Which should come as a complete shock, social species that we are! /s

    I think these desperately dark tales of people turning on each other in sociological contexts is another propaganda tool to put this idea in our heads that without "qualified leaders" we'd all just be grunting and beating each other over the head with rocks.

    Nah, someone with something to gain has to motivate us to fight each other. What if we just said "lol, anyway" and kept getting along on the raft?

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago

    Lord of the Flies was also a direct answer to a book that was really popular during England's colonial hey day(?) called the Island, I think.

    Basically, English colonial culture wasn't as good as we might have thought.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    That social bond doesn't scale and it is why have had to invent government, police, schools, hospitals, etc. The guy's idea was right (imo), he just had the wrong scale.

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  • [–] 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child)

    I mostly agree with the other *homey about “foment.”

    I just want to add that all of the social experiments I’ve ever seen, *participated in, and/or ran nothing brings people together like a common enemy.

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    So... did this scientists great grandchildren invent reality TV?

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  • [–] 19 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Fun fact a lot of people, including myself, believe the invention of reality TV was actually the writer strike in early 2000s. Basically TV writers went to the producers and said "you make all these millions and only pay us this small amount when we are the reason people watch these shows". The producers basically said "fuck you we will make TV shows without writers"

    That created reality TV in America and panel shows in the UK.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    It’s ironic, by trying to get them to hate each other he accidentally became something for all of them to rally against.

    Like reverse Stockholm syndrome.

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  • [–] 26 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    It goes to show that humans are actually good to each other on an individual level or in small groups.

    It's when we place ourselves in massive groups and communities of thousands or millions or billions of people that we start to act terribly to other humans.

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  • [–] 17 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    "tribalism" being the word we use to label when a civilization engages in pointless violence when it's tribes that avoid this bullshit naturally by excluding the waste of time members of society who try to break society is so frustrating to me

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    In all fairness, tribes did occasionally fight.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (2 children)

    sure. but tribes didn't often engage in systematic eliminations. genocide is something civilizations do

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Sounds like projection from the incel scientists.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago*

    the perverted ones yea, scientists usually dont have trouble finding SOs. i remember reading a book about prion research and one of them has a "unusual predilection towards young boys, in SE asia" where he was studying kuru, although the book dint come out in say it, they were implying he was a pedo. i believed he worked for a well known university in a UC.

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  • [–] 85 points 11 months ago

    this "experiment" is SO much funnier than this post implies, the idea of the experiment is that in nature if you put males and females together they will either turn to 100% hate or 100% lust.

    When the people were just having fun on the boat away from society he was upset that they weren't fucking he would act like an asshole to them.

    When they inevitably got sick of his ass and yelled at him he wrote in his notes something along the lines of "I think my experiment is leaning twords pure rage side"

    there's so much more to it that I'm forgetting but this video is 100% a watch https://youtu.be/BHXw3E1VqK4

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  • [–] 58 points 11 months ago* (3 children)

    In 1973, Mexican anthropologist Santiago Genovés set out to test a hypothesis. He had been struck by the connection between violence and sexuality in monkeys. “Most conflicts,” he noted, “are about sexual access to ovulating females.”

    But would this apply to humans, too? To find out, Genovés asked a British boat builder to make a 12x7 metre raft called the Acali on which he planned to sail with 10 sexually attractive young people across the Atlantic from the Canary Islands to Mexico.

    To spur conflict onboard, Genovés minimised opportunities for privacy.

    The boat would have no engines and would sail towards the Caribbean, just in time for hurricane season. Genovés knew that the Acali was sailing into danger but thought science justified the risk. “I believe that in a dangerous situation people will act on their instincts and I will be able to study them.”

    wild

    He put women in charge, in part to reflect what he thought was growing gender equality. The raft was captained by Maria Björnstam and Edna Reves was ship doctor; men were given menial tasks. “I wonder if having women in power will lead to less violence or more,” mused Genovés. “Maybe men will become more frustrated when women are in charge, and try to take over power.”

    Not that Genovés’ raft was an antidote to the patriarchy. With a Caribbean hurricane brewing, Maria, the experienced ship’s captain, recommended they pull into a port to sit out the storm. Genovés, fearing the ruin of his experiment if they did so, mutinied and took control of the raft.

    oh the irony

    But Genovés was symbolically castrated later, on the Atlantic crossing. A huge container ship bore down on the little raft and he panicked. Only Maria kept a cool head and organised flares to ward off the looming ship. After that, the guinea pigs turned on the scientist: Maria became captain again.

    Overthrown, Genovés retreated below deck and collapsed into depression, made worse by news on the radio that his university wanted to be dissociated from the scandalous Sex Raft headlines. While lying there he started to cry for the first time since childhood and had an existential epiphany, writing: “Only one has shown any kind of aggression and that is me, a man trying to control everyone else, including himself.”


    Was the Peace Project a failure? Fé argues it was a great success, even though the anthropologist couldn’t see it: “He was so focused on the violence and conflict, but he had it right in his hands. We started out as them and us and we became us.”

    For Lindeen, it’s poignant that Fé praises the experiment. “If only [Genovés] had listened to why people were on the raft – Mary escaping an abusive husband, the racism Fé had suffered – he would have learned about the consequences of violence and how sometimes we can overcome it by overcoming our differences.”

    yeah i guess genoves was so focused on the science, he forgot to look at the humans involved.

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    But was there much fucking?

    Doesn't sound like it.

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  • [–] 34 points 11 months ago

    I remember hearing there were one or two hookups, all supported by the rest of the group giving them as much privacy as possible. Yeah, turns out that if you remove societal pressures and leave people alone, they tend to be pretty chill.

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  • [–] 57 points 11 months ago* (3 children)

    Brb, setting up an instance on https://sex.raft

    See you all at the floating orgy!

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    [–] 23 points 11 months ago

    By his actions to stir up drama, I can probably say with confidence that he did not get laid on that journey.

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  • [–] 18 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    If you televised that it would get 23 seasons on Hulu.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Something tells me this already has 5 seasons and 8 spin offs on TLC

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  • [–] 17 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    The dollop did an episode on this and it’s absolutely bonkers.

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I seem to remember a similar experiment called Big Brother?

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  • [–] 25 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    They had the sex but forgot to write it down, so they were just screwing around.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago

    Sounds like a bit of Mark Twain…

    Next, in another cage I confined an Irish Catholic from Tipperary, and as soon as he seemed tame I added a Scotch Presbyterian from Aberdeen. Next a Turk from Constantinople; a Greek Christian from Crete; an Armenian; a Methodist from the wilds of Arkansaw; a Bhuddist from China; a Brahmin from Benares. Finally, a Salvation Army Colonel from Wapping. Then I stayed away two whole days. When I came back to note results, the cage of Higher Animals was all right, but in the other there was but a chaos of gory odds and ends of turbans and fezzes and plaids and bones and flesh—not a specimen left alive. These Reasoning Animals had disagreed on a theological detail and carried the matter to a Higher Court.

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago

    It was the seventies.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago*

    There's an HBO Max original reality series called The Raft that sets out to "replicate" this "experiment" while injecting the usually reality competition faire. It's a pretty fun watch

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    It did however produce four awkwardly conceived children of rather mixed heritage and inconsistent religious convictions.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago

    "If we knew what we were doing it wouldn't be an experiment, would it?"

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (11 children)

    So, hear me out here, there is a huge reproduction crisis out there. In theory, you could try to replicate this study without the researcher being an asshole and see if it still works out and this would be a valuable line of research that could technically get funded.

    I'm going to need a decent ship, some volunteers, and a 101 day supply of daiquiris.

    Edit: (For clarity - this is scientific reproduction, not human reproduction)

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  • [–] 33 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Turns out humans are one of those animals that don't breed well in captivity, and alot of us are starting to realize we're captives.

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    There is no reproduction crisis. There may be challenges where you live, but, well...

    Waves hand in general direction of Africa

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Scientific reproduction, as in reproduction of a study XD

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    If you think this is wild, check out: Stanford prison experiment - Wikipedia https://share.google/tnvESUZQoYk8JH46l

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    After watching this, and also studying the Stanford experiment. It seems to me the source of much human conflict isn't sex like the sociologist hypothesized, but class structures. But he seemed to refuse to even entrain that possibility.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago