Another post from betting market company Polymarket read: "BREAKING: Zohran Mamdani to require all New York elementary school students to learn Arabic numerals." The post has almost 14 million views.

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[–] 157 points 11 months ago (5 children)

I just checked with my local school, and they're not just making them learn these arabic numbers, they're forcing them to learn AL GEBRA!!! Sounds like foreign nonsense to me, so I'm starting a petition to have the head fired, and possibly flogged.

You should check with your local schools too. Keep this policically correct woke DEI rubbish away from our kids!

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  • [–] 21 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Don't forget about the dangers of al cohol and candy!

    Just like caravans, you remember how those where a thing in American politics once? What ever happened to them?

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  • [–] 123 points 11 months ago (18 children)

    i heard he'll teach kids the "latin" alphabet instead of Amerian one😡

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (16 children)

    I dont understand this. When I was in Palestine, they definitely used different numerals.

    Like, I guess they invented base 10? Or math? But the characters they use for numbers are absolutely different

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  • [–] 44 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    Basically, what we call "Arabic Numerals", including the number 0, have their origin in India. Europe got them from Arabic scholars, and therefore called them "Arabic".

    The main factor is the decimal system of writing and having the concept of a zero in contrast to the odd, additive and subtractive writing of the Roman numerals, which didn't even know a 0, and made multiplication a pain and division nearly impossible.

    What glyph is actually used for a one, be it a 1 or a ١, is absolutely secondary.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    I want to correct something. They knew what nothing meant. They just didn't conceptualize the absence of things as a number. And honestly, it's a bit weird, but it is useful. You can't have 0 apples, but the concept is useful for math.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I have 0 apples right now, and most of the time!

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Arguably, sure. The way they'd understand it is you don't have apples though, not that you have zero. With our understanding, it makes some sense, but I'd say even today that's odd to say. It isn't wrong, but it is strange to say you posses everything in the universe (and anything else too), just in quantities of zero. It makes more sense to say you don't possess them.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago*

    It definitely makes sense in the same way that the famous experiment on abstract thought makes sense. Iirc, The experimenter a hundred years ago or more asked various people in different parts of Germany questions like, if a bird flies 20 miles an hour, about how long would it take to fly from Berlin to Frankfurt, and most people just couldn't entertain the question and would say that makes no sense a bird would never fly between those places.

    It's only with our education system today that more people could entertain the question, how long a bird would take to fly from Frankfurt to Berlin, even if no real bird would ever do it, or not bat an eye at possessing everything in the universe in quantities of zero.

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    Looking at Wikipedia, we're talking about western Arabic numerals in Europe/USA (TIL). Did you use one of the versions listed here as Eastern arabic numerals? Briefly reading the history, eastern is more common across modern Arabic regions.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_numerals

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  • [+] -13 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Ok, well, this article is trying to call people dumb for not understanding a concept that is incredibly confusing to everyone

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago

    They're not calling people dumb for not knowing, they're calling them dumb for not investigating. If you hear a wild claim, you should investigate. This shouldn't still work because most of us here know it's been a running joke for at least 20 years in the US with continuous anti-Muslim and anti-middle-easter/Arabic sentiment and bills post 9/11.

    It shouldn't be incredibly confusing, either. It's fine to not automatically know that Amerocan/English refers to "western Arabic numerals" as simply "Arabic numerals" in shorthand. I didn't. That's why I briefly researched it when you said you had a different set of numerals in a region. Since I don't know exactly what to look for to validate my own searches, I genuinely asked you if what you learned matched what was in the Wikipedia page. I have no direct experience.

    People use shorthand all the time. It makes things confusing. I didn't know a "convection oven" was actually a "forced convection oven" until this year. In my head, it wasn't something I ever questioned because all my ovens have had the primary heater at the bottom, meaning convection would carry hot air upwards. Turns out, FCOs have a fan at the top to force better circulation. Surprise, this revolution of air fryers? They're just countertop [forced] convection ovens. Similarly, I have a gripe with people customizing cars with "coilovers". The majority of cars already have coil[spring]-over-[shock]s, but what they mean is "adjustable coilovers". It's a carryover from when cars did NOT have the various coilover designs as standard. Shocks outside coil springs, leaf springs, torsion springs, etc.

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago

    incredibly confusing to everyone

    Is it? I think your confusion may come from living or studying abroad, which is understandable. But only the ignorant ones who passed school while asleep on this side of the world would be confused. Everyone is told that these are Arabic numerals as opposed to Roman numerals very early on.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I think your confusion is the other side of what the article was discussing.

    The problem is, there have been a lot of number systems in the past. The one we currently use is based on the Arabic system. In common usage you would simply call them numbers. But in a technical sense, to distinguish from other numbering systems past and present, they're also called Arabic Numerals because that's their origin.

    Clearly this ignores the fact Arabic is still around and using real Arabic numbers and that is both confusing and maybe problematic. But I think the technical reason it sticks around is to acknowledge their source and have a more specific term when there is a need

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    If you look at the Hindu-Arabic numerals first used in Europe in the middle ages, they looked very much like modern numerals used in Arabic. This is the modern set:

    ١٢٣٤٥٦٧٨٩٠

    Some of those will look more familiar if you rotate them 90 degrees CCW.

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  • [–] 118 points 11 months ago (11 children)

    In Germany, we have a right-wing party en par with the US Republicans: The AfD. Just as Nazi, just as nuts.

    Some time ago, someone riled them up with the "Did you know they teach Arabic numerals in school now?", and quite a few of them blew a lid...

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  • [–] 65 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    Well, the dihydrogen monoxide that is in your Zuchini is literally an industrial solvent!

    Have you seen what dihydrogen monoxide does to pure, strong iron?!? It corrodes iron unbelievably fast! And people just.....consume it in most of their "healthy" foods!

    Wake up, sheeple! Stop drinking dihydrogen monoxide!

    /s - this message brought to you by Brawndo, the thirst mutilator

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  • [–] 25 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    FWIW this is by far less dangerous and aggressive than oxygen, which caused the first global mass extinction when it started to amass in earth's atmosphere (and plays a major role in the corrosion of iron you mentioned).
    And yet people tell you to breathe in and out...

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    You know what's funny, the dihydrogen-monoxide bit works in part because when you tell someone "ha ha, you're anti water" they should get embarrassed. Like, it's impossible for them to continue arguing, you know?

    But if anyone is going to take hidden-agenda numerals at face value and still insist that we use a new, much stupider number system to get away from centuries of Arabic influence, it would definitely be nazis, lol.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Hear me out, maybe base 10 isn't the best counting system. Base 6 or 12 could be pretty nice. Not worth Nazis being in charge, but could be a nice change of pace.

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  • [–] 235 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Lmao, I love this kind of stuff. It makes dumb people so angry

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  • [–] 79 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (18 children)

    Next he'll be forcing us all to drink dihydrogen monoxide, a chemical that's known to be fatal to humans under certain conditions!

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  • [–] 41 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    They literally use that shit to power steam engines! Now imagine what it does to your insides. Nasty, nasty stuff.

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  • [–] -1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

    I'm sorry but as a technicality none of the power used in a steam engine is derived from the dihydrogen monoxide. The chemical compound is used as a medium to turn thermal energy into kinetic energy. The thermal energy, likewise, is usually obtained from another source such as chemical, nuclear, or photovoltaic.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Good luck running your steam engine without it!

    Also:

    tidal

    Pretty sure there aren't moon-powered trains, bro, but nice try.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    Good luck running your steam engine without it!

    Its actually pretty common practice when restoring a steam engine to run it on compressed air to test it's a ability to hold the amount of pressure it needs to. Much less of a catastrophic failure if compressed air leaks out without warning than 400° steam

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    A steam engine can also be used to generate power, or to operate mechanical indistrial equipment like rock crushers or pumps, as a stationary device, but in hindsight the tidal power probably never gets that hot. The engine for moving trains could also be powered by electricity from wind or tidal, though I don't think there are any practical examples.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Every single person in my family tree, born prior to 1920, have two things in common... They are ALL dead and they ALL drank dihydrogen monoxide regularly!

    This has got to stop!

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  • [–] 71 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Next they are going to find out they are learning other Arabic topics like al-Gebra.

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  • [–] 29 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Or about Mr. Al Kwarizmi (Algorithm).

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  • [+] 58 points 11 months ago (6 children)
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  • [–] 47 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    No, ain't no way, how can this be NOT the onion ?! Come on ! 😂

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  • [–] 46 points 11 months ago

    The Onion really is competing with reality to come up with good headlines.

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  • [–] 37 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    People making jokes about dihydrogen monoxide, and imma be honest, I feel like it should have been the gold standard internet stupidity filter that disqualifies your credentials in any form of discussion because of the insane amount of people that fell for it back when the internet was still new.

    If you couldn't handle H2O, you can't be trusted to use the internet seriously lol.

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  • [+] 72 points 11 months ago (9 children)
  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    Highly educated USian here.

    I would cry tears of joy if I woke up and found that President Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho was having his inauguration parade exactly as shown in the image.

    To make it interesting, ignore the figurehead and any global elite child sex slave trafficking ring they may or may not have been a part of. Consider the background characters instead.

    In this image you have Luke Wilson playing a character who is known to be the smartest person on the planet, and who saves lives with their knowledge by teaching the people how to do things like water their crops, AND who got dragged into the position rather than being a cutthroat ambitious asdhole.

    In a similar image of the real world you might have somebody like Stephen fucking Miller.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    So, what were you reading in the sixth grade? My memory isn't that good, but I think I was past reading Captain underpants, maybe I was up to reading Percy Jackson (sorry got a bad case of CRS). I definitely gave Harry Potter a pass through, didn't like the main character.

    Anyway, I feel like in 6th grade I was good at reading the text of a book, but not much beyond that. Symbols, themes, subtext — those are hard for a 6th grader.

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago

    6th grade is reading for plot. It's able to read the story and understand that the hobbits brought the ring to Mordor, and Aragorn fought in Gondor.

    Anything about symbols, themed, subtext, unreliable narrators all comes later.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    You hit the nail on the head. Literacy is about more than just sounding out words - understanding the intended message is equally important.

    I wish I could be surprised, but I’ve been on internet forums long enough that it’s undeniable. It’s like understanding subtext (and even overt context) is a lost art. Making a short post and expecting readers to correctly “connect the dots” practically invites commenters to misinterpret things. So the choice is either “over-explain and risk making a super long post,” or “come back again and again when someone inevitably argues something you didn’t intend.” It’s so frustrating.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    On the other hand sometimes I get people telling me to re read their arguments because I don't understand them. Like maybe they just suck at presenting their argument? Maybe they could re-state it so it was easier to understand? Maybe I do get it and their argument sucks? No clearly what they wrote is gold and you would understand if your reading comprehension was better.

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  • [–] 34 points 11 months ago

    Jesus Christ, people are fucking stupid.

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  • [–] 31 points 11 months ago

    Again? They do this whenever a nonwhite person is voted into office.

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  • [–] 29 points 11 months ago

    And Al-Gebra too! The horror!

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  • [–] 51 points 11 months ago

    Every sixty seconds in Communist New York, a minute passes.

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  • [–] 49 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Fun fact, what we call Arabic numerals are not the numerals used in Arabic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Arabic_numerals

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  • [–] 21 points 11 months ago

    Nice, didn't know this! According to the article "The numeral system originates from an ancient Indian numeral system," so i guess confusing names are a feauture of numerical symbols, and not a bug.

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  • [–] 21 points 11 months ago

    If you want to really scare JD Vance, the more proper term is probably Hindu-Arabic numerals.

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