I like shooting as a sport. Not into hunting but hitting targets is fun.
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Because you may as well be shooting at photos of the range owner.
Muslim terrorist targets are ok by their rules, though.
State ranges are the best. I use them several times a year. Just don't go on weekends. Haha.
This. I'm not into violence, but the Republicans are getting scary and they have a lot of weapons. It'd be easier to reconcile my issues with violence if I had to shoot someone than it'd be to reconcile the issues I'd have if I wasn't able to fight them trying to hurt me or my family.
Plus target shooting is fun.
"I can't believe those DEI types will resort to political violence."

*I wonder how many racists even know what DEI stands for
Good for you. Laws are nice, but sometimes firepower is the best option for securing your rights - especially if you live in a country where DEI is sneered at.
Im American. All the people who think the laws were never meant to apply to them already have more guns than I have friends. And when they die, their likely rotten kids will get them. I can either accept that I live in a country where only terrible people have guns(this includes the cops). Or I could do something about it and take my sefety into my own hands. Really simple choice at the end of the day.
need? no need. want/have? I tinkered and shot target with my (now passed) stepfather and we bonded over the science and nerdy parts of it. do i carry? nope.
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A gun is useful tool for acquiring meat in a sustainable way. Shout out to venison!
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I am a trans woman. There are a lot of armed right wingers that would love to see me dead. They can try, but I’m not going to give them an easy time of it.
Everyone I hook up with always asks if I have protection so I figure I might as well get some. 🤷♂️
Don’t forget that you’re supposed to use that protection during sex
I didn't ever want one until Trump threatened Canada and now I'm getting licenced. Just in case. That and winter survival training refresher. Hadn't done any of that since Scouts long ago.
I'd still die but maybe I last 20 minutes longer.
Want.
Lifelong anti-gun libtard here.
I think guns are primarily for people who fear. I think fear is the primary motivator for firearm ownership. I would like to live in a society where fear doesn't push people to own firearms. That is not our reality. That is not the society we live in.
There are masked, unqualified paramilitary federal goons entering our communities and harassing and assaulting AMERICAN CITIZENS. I passed my history classes. I enjoy reading up on history in my own personal time. I know where things like this often lead, and I've come to accept that it's time to arm myself. A significant portion of our populace also supports what is happening and would be perfectly fine with people like myself, who want everyone to have healthcare, a good education, and to be fed, being "removed" from this plane of existence. These people are everywhere. I understand that they are not actively going out and killing people like me, but they are voting to persecute and harm people like me and the people I care about.
That's enough for me to arm myself out of fear.
I don't believe this to be a good society. I don't believe this to be an intelligent society. I don't believe this to be a safe society going forward.
I haven't purchased a firearm yet, but I've been out shooting with friends a number of times and I've been asking questions to get ready for the process of acquiring at least one.
Liberal-libertarian here- I think the married gay couple should have AR15s to defend their marijuana crop and adopted children from attack, confident in the knowledge that single payer healthcare will be there if they get hurt.
I also follow history, at least a little. And I think even a light perusal of the last 100ish years should be enough to show anyone that 'it can't happen here' / 'it won't happen here' are foolish attitudes, as the current situations are demonstrating.
I'm curious if you regret your past support of anti-gun policies, knowing that they are directly making it harder for you to acquire a gun for self-defense today?
And FWIW if you have any gun questions or want to know anything about specific guns, safety, culture, etc please feel free to reply or DM me.
I’m curious if you regret your past support of anti-gun policies
Not really.
I'd prefer to live in a society that doesn't perpetuate enough fear to cause people to desire firearms for self defense. Those societies do exist. And 10+ years ago things weren't as they are now in America. The situation has degraded. We could have gone down another path that could have led to less fear and gun ownership, but that's not the future we chose for ourselves.
So I've had to shift my expectations. That's why I don't really regret advocating against guns in the past. I still don't like them. I still think more guns will cause more problems. But our society is becoming more ignorant and our decisions are going to lead to more people being more destitute and more desperate, which will increase crime, as political violence also increases, so the bottom line is you have to protect yourself.
I'd prefer to live in a society where no guns are ever needed.
The problem is, you can't predict the future.
I’d prefer to live in a society that doesn’t perpetuate enough fear to cause people to desire firearms for self defense. Those societies do exist. And 10+ years ago things weren’t as they are now in America. The situation has degraded. We could have gone down another path that could have led to less fear and gun ownership, but that’s not the future we chose for ourselves.
But that's my point. 10+ years ago, you wouldn't have predicted this. 10+ years ago, you'd have fought to restrict or remove gun rights. And now here we are, if you and those like you had succeeded, you wouldn't be able to buy a gun.
That's why I think gun rights (including yours) are so important, and why I hope you (someday) regret your previous anti-gun advocacy. Because however great our society is at any point in time, it can always get bad again. And the question is when that happens, do we want to have proverbially shot ourselves in the foot by removing our own means of self-defense? I say no.
Thus, if I may be a bit silly, an image for when you go into the gun store and have the right to buy that gun:

:D
I would argue that the ideal is a society where guns are readily available, but rarely needed. Might you agree with that?
I just think they're neat
I said the same thing, there's some really super cool engineering among firearms.
Guns make the police in my area more polite. That was thing I witnessed following the Ukraine revolution as well. Marshal law is more costly on an armed unwilling population.
I also hunt as part of our wild life management where I live.
Its also something that as a maker I love to tinker and build stuff for. Just one of those because you can kind of things
My parents and grandparents were into hunting and shooting sports, so I have always been around them and learned how to use them responsibly from an early age, so I used to think it was something everyone did.
I used to shoot 5-7 days a week. Ammo was dirt cheap so I have some guns that used to be really fun, but are now too expensive to use all that much, so I hunt one week a year and go skeet shooting a few times, and occasionally plink at targets with one of the 22s or 38 Specials that I have a pile of reloading stuff for.
It doesn't excite me as much as it used to either, as gun ownership has become more politicized for everyone, so it's also hard to find anyone I want to shoot with other than my brother. It used to be a fun hobby where people would just shoot the breeze more than the guns, but now clubs here are filled with MAGAs and plastered with Republican propaganda so I don't feel as welcome as I used to.
clubs here are filled with MAGAs and plastered with Republican propaganda so I don't feel as welcome as I used to.
As a kid, my dad and I occasionally went to the local gun show just to look around at interesting stuff. The collectors selling antiques, fancy custom pieces, and guns with historical interest were always fun to chat with. But at some point it turned into crazy town. I don't go to those events anymore.
I spend a lot more time watching Forgotten Weapons and C&Rsenal than I do shooting these days. Still get the mechanical bits and history stuff and they don't typically talk political stuff, which is probably good.
Karl of InRange does get political when I am in the mood for that, and he's a good guest occasionally on Behind the Bastards as well.
It would be nice if local clubs could be more like that, but at least there are a few avenues left.
I'm not straight and my neighborhood is low income. Like my neighbors and I are tight, but everyone has guns... i trust them (and they me), it's folks coming in from outside, especially shit like the Proud Boys who turned up a few years ago during protests.
The protest was about five or six blocks away from my house... Proud Boys and other jackasses were "patrolling" the neighborhoods.
why not? ICE and the police bring them and brandish them and so do the Nazis. who's gonna keep them in check?
a peaceful protest is just a flashmob. sounds like you don't know why people protest
quisling mentality
Gandhi and MLK were both reliant on militant groups making them seem more conservative in comparison. their movements would've failed without armed resistance, goes to show you're a historically illiterate prick
I recently moved and got rid of mine. However, I used to live in a really rough neighborhood. A lot of heavy drug use. Most folks were good people when sober, but when high, they don't think logically, and bad mixes can cause aggression. Thankfully never had to shoot anyone, but police were called a few times with guns at the ready in case things escalated before police arrived. My mom still lives in that area, so I left her with a 38 special, a 20 guage shotgun, and a habit of calling the police the moment anything feels off in the neighborhood.
Mostly, I enjoy target shooting as a hobby. Hunting is big in my area as both deer and feral hogs need to be culled.
I also feel there's a greater chance of widespread civil unrest than most people understand, and that folks in my area will likely have to defend themselves to some extent if it breaks out. For various reasons, the people who are most important to me aren't likely to be prepared for that, so I figure I should be ready to some extent.
I hunt deer, elk, and bear. I have a 30-06 for deer and elk, and I prefer to hunt bear with my .357.
lol you asked and he replied, why being rude?
I don't, I don't and I don't. Welcome to Portugal. Try the food and wine, enjoy your stay.
Started out never wanting guns, but a family issue prompted it for safety reasons. Then, after taking a class and training, I found out I really enjoyed target shooting, even the wife got on board so we use it to bond.
I don't think I could ever enjoy hunting, unless it became necessary for survival for some reason. I'd like to have the extra funds to train and compete for the active shooting competitions (think the video of Reeves training from John Wick) but it's pretty pricey unless you have your own setup on some land.
I don’t have one, but I really appreciate the engineering and craftsmanship that goes into them. The way all of the subtle ergonomics play into an explosive force you aim with your hands. Being able to shoot at targets and quantify a skill on top of that is just icing on the cake.
I don’t think I could bring myself to shoot a living creature even if I needed to.
I went to bed and woke up to Trumpie being President. Figured it was time to start the process of acquiring firearms since Trumpie was going to start fucking everyone's life.
I own a few shotguns and a couple rifles. I used to go hunting, and guns are pretty cool. Now they just collect dust in my dad's safe since I don't have one. If I wanted to shoot again, I'd need to retake the safety course
Hunting, self defense, sport, and just enjoy them.
Like all kinds of guns. Spring loaded German pellet rifles, handguns, PCCs, shotguns (pump/semi), rifles (.22, .243, .270, .308) both bolt action and semiautomatic.
Just like any other hobby with a utilitarian side… riding four wheelers and other motor vehicles is dangerous if you’re irresponsible, but they can be useful and are certainly fun.
I have guns for the same reason I have fishing rods and a bow. I enjoy it, and there's some satisfaction in being able to hunt or fish for a meal yourself. I didn't grow up getting to shoot much aside from a few rare afternoons out with a .22 when dad had time. While I fished a lot, didn't really get into shooting or hunting until after college. I started small game hunting with friends who would go out. While I had a lot of catching up to do, since I hadn't grown up hunting like they did, I eventually figured out how to clean game without making too much of a disaster of it. I enjoyed the independence of it, knowing more about the whole process and being able to do more for myself. Taught myself to tie flies, eventually started reloading my own ammo, then got further down the rabbit hole to casting bullets. For my leverguns with oversized bores (30-30 and 45-70), rolling my own ammo has been the best way for me to get decent accuracy. I have firearms because they're useful tools, and it's just darned fun to know that I cast the bullet that was loaded over the powder I measured, in the brass casing I trimmed and resized, and it hit the target waaay out there down range right where I wanted it to go.
My husband has one, but I would like my own. I'd like something smaller-- not sure if they make "girl" guns, but I'd like that. I have tiny ass little hands and a weak grip, and the uhhh kick? Not sure of word but I don't want a gun that is going to fly outta my tiny ass weak hands when it fires...
I am a smidge paranoid when my husband goes out of town for work. Also with how things are proceeding in my country, I don't want to be in Nazi Germany 2.0: The Electric Boogaloo without a weapon. I am much more of a knife girl, but a gun is a good deterrent.
It is a good skill to have, shooting a hand gun. Imo everyone in the US should have it (if they want).
My wife (and I) loves her Walther CCP. It's an easy rack, soft shooter even in the 9mm. She has tiny hands, and I have slightly larger than normal, and it fits both our hands perfectly. You can even get it in .380 for even less recoil.
My first was a Smith and Wesson EZ shield in 9mm, also an easy rack, but a bit more recoil.
Shooting clay pigeons on the farm is fun, and sometimes a pest needs taking care of.
Police don't show up quickly enough to deal with a serious threat, so I have a firearm for home defense. Just one. Not into collecting, whether firearms or anything else.
If the fasciats are going to try to kill me I will take at least one with me.
Don't have guns yet, but kinda want them. I don't trust police, I'm non-white, fear of racists.
For self-defence against the swarms of bloodthirdty hounds, baying at the gates of western civilization.
Edit: I mean the rightoids.
Firearms for defense are for eliminating an imminent threat. Over a year ago now, I estimated that an imminent threat of some kind was not out of the question. I didn't know exactly what then, but I could feel it in my bones. I live in a reasonably safe almost rural area; my estimation was based on the political climate. I am sad to say that I am only more certain now that I will need to eliminate an imminent threat at some point.
Although I didn't know what an imminent threat would look like, I felt it was important to have a firearm then because if you wait until you need a gun, it's way too late. I wanted to acquire, practice, make sure everything was working properly, practice, take classes, practice, get the right holster, practice, get comfortable, practice, stock up on ammo, and did I mention practice?
Don't need, don't own, kinda want (because I like shooting), but I can't be arsed. Besides, I really should not pick up another expensive hobby. Plus I take firearm safety very seriously, and I don't have a practical way of keeping it safe and secure.
My next gun will be my first .22lr (far overdue for one) and I've decided that for hobby needs theres a 150 dollar rifle that will hit the right spot, and for 3.99ea I can get 50 rounds. Idk your budget but if I mainly shot .22lr shooting would be among if not my least expensive hobby.
I don't have my firearms license yet, but I'm planning to get it soon. As for why I want guns (and why my dad, and my fiance and her family own guns), they're for hunting, pest control (mostly rabbits and possums), and target shooting.
I want to hunt. Also kind of worried about being invaded by Americans. Rather die with a gun in my hand fighting back than go to some American POW camp where I spend the rest of my life upholstering benches for McDonald’s or some equally stupid American bullshit.
Fuck off, I like guns!
- Jim Jefferies
End of the world prep
I don't need or want guns the way the world is now.
But if society and civilization collapses, you'll need a gun because you'll need to protect yourself and your family from everyone else. I won't want it to attack other people, I'll just need it to survive every other murderous idiot that will want to kill me for a can of beans.
But you will have more guns than cans of beans. More likely they will come after you for the guns.
If the world falls apart, my first plan of action is to just go into the wilderness and stay the hell out of everyone's way. I'm not joining any community or group anywhere. The gun will be there to keep anyone else that comes near to stay away.
When society breaks down, our greatest hope for survival will be each other .... unfortunately, our greatest danger will also be ourselves.
You're not going to survive on your own. At best you'll burn through your personal supplies REAL fast and have no way to really grow more in time. More likely you won't even survive the first cold night.
Similarly, people also underestimate just how easy it is to sneak up on people. Unless you plan to have a 24/7 watch AND understand how to keep on lookout at night (it is deceptively hard because of how quickly your pupils will re-constrict with even a bit of light), you just need one halfway competent person with a rifle to end your life and take all your shit.
Same with the idea that "my gun is going to deter people". How are they going to know who does and doesn't have a gun? The Bad People who salivate over this are going to assume EVERYONE is armed because guessing wrong means getting shot. Just play any Battle Royale/Extraction Shooter to see that in action. And unless you set up a giant perimeter to let everyone know where you are and that you are armed, it is going to be any other chance encounter as people likely follow the same thought process you did when you staked out your cabin in the woods. And if you DO have a giant perimeter... then they KNOW you are armed and probably have good stuff.
Like almost all things gun nut: it is all about fantasizing about some REALLY horrible shit if you break it down.
Like the other responder said ... I'm Indigenous Canadian and my parents were born and raised in the wilderness. I grew up learning how to hunt, trap and fish to live off the land. It doesn't mean I'll be comfortable or happy about it ... it just means I'll be more capable of surviving. My extreme 'end of the world' plan (which I do hope never happens) .. is to just pack up my truck, fill up with gas, food, equipment, tools and firearms and head north into the wilderness until the road ends and then just start from there. Then abandon the truck and the road and head further into the wilderness. I know how to live on my own out there to build and manage my own shelter using traditional methods and I doubt many or any people will end up anywhere near me in far northern Ontario.
it just means I’ll be more capable of surviving.
"more capable" does not mean "capable"
is to just pack up my truck, (...) Then abandon the truck
Can you see the flaw with that plan?
I doubt many or any people will end up anywhere near me in far northern Ontario.
Like I mentioned in the other branch: That is basically the only way that people in Global North communities CAN "live off the wilderness". There are so few people trying that the heavily depopulated forests and lack of farmable land matter less. And even then, most of those people tend to rely on going into town "every so often" for supplies.
But also? if we are actually in an apocalypse, you can bet that more than just you will think about those forests. And some of them will be as trained, if not moreso, than you and won't have abandoned all their supplies in a truck on the side of the road.
The guy you're replying to is a Native American. He grew up living off the land and knows how to survive, no, thrive, without the supports of agriculture. The only issue is actually finding any viable wilderness since pretty much all of it was destroyed long ago to feed people like you.
The guy you’re replying to is a Native American. He grew up living off the land and knows how to survive, no, thrive, without the supports of agriculture.
Whoa boy, not gonna touch the mysticism and Other bullshit with a ten foot pole.
But unless you already have a good chunk of farmland ready, you aren't going to survive the first winter. That is WHY communities (even the magical Native American ones) are so dependent on having ships and wagons FULL of supplies to survive that first winter because going from normal land to farmland is the better part of a year on its own.
That ALSO ignores that most farms are not actually self sufficient due to a mix of needing to cycle crops to keep the land fertile as well as needing alternative sources of food and energy (often livestock). The Magical Native Americans largely depended on animals like Buffalo and Deer to make up the latter and... yeah. And modern day "live off the land" folk tend to rely pretty heavily on odd jobs (or money from their parents) because actually surviving off foraging and wild animals just isn't feasible outside of VERY few regions. And even those mostly only work because it is one weirdo that the park rangers tend to look the other way for.
If OP has a community of like minded people? It is very doable. If OP is a lone gun nut hiding out in The Wilderness? Whatever level of fairly racist mystic fantasy you can think of won't help.
You are right on many of your points but the land we are talking about is the swamp lands of northern Ontario where my family were born and raised off of. My parents were born there in the wilderness and they learned to live on their own without much else. I was taught how to live there myself and I can be comfortable doing that again because I know how.
You are right about food scarcity. The land I'm talking about will only be sustainable to a small group of people that know how to live and follow the seasonal cycle of this part of the world. Extreme cold in the winter and clouds of biting insects in the summer. Food will be cyclical so one has to know how to prepare for every period of the year and how, when, where animals, fish and birds will be available and how to prepare and store them for times of shortages. My parents do have stories of being out there and having to live through famine when animals just disappeared from one reason or another.
All this doesn't guarantee my survival in this scenario ... it just means my chances would be higher than most other people.
but the land we are talking about is the swamp lands of northern Ontario where my family were born and raised off of.
Ah, well then. If it is your land then I am SURE that nobody else would think of trespassing on it After The Fall.
Food will be cyclical so one has to know how to prepare for every period of the year
Which requires a lot more supplies to survive The First Winter. Like I said.
And it ALSO assumes nobody is going to come and fuck up your ecosystem during the summer/fall. Doesn't matter if THEY die that first winter, they already made sure you will too.
All this doesn’t guarantee my survival in this scenario … it just means my chances would be higher than most other people.
Higher doesn't mean successful.
And I would very much say, without any more info, that you are vastly overestimating your own chances on your own (especially since it sounds like your parents had a community or at least each other and you only learned how as part of a community with them) AND underestimating all the (I don't know the Canadian equivalent. Probably Canadian Tire since that is the everything store?) REI-chic folk who have been learning this as a hobby and will probably also make it pretty far into that first winter before, hopefully, making their way back to "society" in an attempt to scavenge there with the rest of people.
It's just a conversation and discussion at this point ... you are right, survival out there is very questionable as it is very difficult without the right knowledge.
But I grew up learning how to do it all from my father who was a life long hunter and trapper. When he was in his prime, in his 20s and 30s, as well as other men like him ... they were famous for leaving the community (or family group) with nothing but an axe, a knife and some basic warm clothing (meaning a jacket and a few layers or pants and shirts and coverings for the head, hands and feet) (you have to imagine them being dirt poor in the 1950s and 1960s). Dad would often comment to me about modern parkas and warm clothing - he never had anything like it when he was young and survived with nothing but a thin jacket and many layers of clothing, furs and hides. They would leave in the fall just before freeze up and the start of winter and be on their own. Then arrive mid winter back to main camp with a supply of furs and frozen food. Furs and hides they prepared themselves, food from the animals they killed, snowshoes they made themselves from trees from the land and sinew from animals, sleds they built themselves and then later in the summer birch bark canoes they built with nothing but what was available on the land.
Like I said .... none of this means surviving is guaranteed ... it just means that with knowledge, capability and plenty of hard work ... the chances are higher than for most.
And the keyword you neglected is
they
A community of like minded people, with sufficient supplies to make it through The First Winter, is potentially going to survive. A lone individual who figures "My dad survived out here in the 50s with just cardboard boxes for shoes when he was walking uphill, both ways, in the snow. The fuck you talking about 'climate change'?" is not.
All of which gets back to the idea that a gun is going to help at all in those scenarios which, once again, gets back to how easy it is to actually sneak up on people (within 200 meters is an easy shot with a rifle. especially if someone has an optic) or the simple logistics of keeping watch while doing all of this Survival.
I don't like thinking about this stuff but as the world gets more and more crazy, the more I plan. Over the years, I consciously kept good maintenance of my truck, keep it full of fuel at all times and make sure it's ready when I need it. I also bought a shot gun and hope to get a rifle in the future. I've also kept track of my tools and equipment and I have a mental list of everything I would need to pack up to live in the wilderness on my own and abandon everything else if the need arises.
I am married but my wife is ill and we are both older. So my thought is that she'll be gone soon (or will be gone if the world does end) and I'll be on my own.
That's a horrible story ... my condolences to you and your family.
There is always peace in the end. I'm not fatalistic or nihilistic, I plan on just lasting as long as possible just to spite eternity. Personally, I've always enjoyed this poem by Dylan Thomas and as I grow older, the more I understand and appreciate it.
Do Not Go Gentle into That Good Night
By Dylan Thomas
Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
And you, my father, there on the sad height,
Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/46569/do-not-go-gentle-into-that-good-night
I don't have nor do I need one but I'd still get one if I could. I simply think guns are cool - there's not much more to it.
Admittedly though I would worry a bit about having one in the house. There are few such tools that are very easy and quick to do something with that you'll deeply regret later.
Frequently drive multiple hours through BFE in some very meth infested country. Go camping in national forest lands every other week during the summer where cougars abound. And in the case of my parents, ranch pest control and something to make use of the landowner permit deer tag they get once in a while.
I don't carry in town vast majority of the time, for obvious reasons, but I've got plenty of reasons to have a couple firearms. They are useful tools like any other. Also high precision target shooting is fun af.


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