For my birthday, my spouse got me a nicer newer expensive version of a thing I already have. The one I have is older and dented but works just fine. I use it weekly. I never complain about it. I've never asked for a newer one. The one I have was given to me by my mother in law, whom I adore. It's sentimental.

I don't like new things. When they got me a 3d printer, it was the cheapest one and it was a kit and I had to build myself. I loved it. It's perfect for me. I regularly buy things used or get things from Buy Nothing groups. I much prefer to repair old things in many ways. My car has over 100k miles. The one before did too. I don't like new things.

We got into a huge argument because I want to return it. They are so upset with me that they left the house to calm down. Why am I the bad person? Why are they mad at me? I have a very clear tendency for old broken used things. Why am I obligated to like this new thing?

We literally established a rule early in our marriage. I'm not allowed to gift nerdy t shirts. They don't like them. I love them. I thought they would like them but they do not. So they asked me to stop. This feels the same. I do not like new things. Why am I the bad guy for wanting to return the newer version of the thing I already have?

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[–] 132 points 11 months ago (8 children)

You're going to a lot of effort to not actually mention what this thing is, which makes me wonder what it is and I suspect knowing that would provide additional and useful context.

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  • [–] 30 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    100%

    OP doesn't even need to answer, the omission of this kinda indicates they potentially already know why

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    uhhhh isn’t it a new 3d printer? i thought it is? might be wrong

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  • [–] 199 points 11 months ago (13 children)

    One time my wife got me a really nice DeWalt jig saw for Christmas. I already had a jigsaw. It worked well enough for as much as I use it. Although the newer one was better quality and had a few nicer features.

    You know what I did? I thanked her and told her how much I appreciated it. She saw something she thought would make my life a little easier and got it for me as a gift. It was a very kind gesture. If it were the wrong one, I probably would have talked to her later and asked if I could exchange it for one that would have suited my needs better while still letting her know that I appreciated what she was trying to do. I'm sure she would have been fine with that.

    What I wouldn't have done was gripe at her for buying me a new power tool because I "don't like new things" or "I already have a jigsaw and it works just fine." That would be a terrible idea which would understandably hurt her feelings when she was just trying to do something nice for me.

    It wasn't about the "thing". It was about the gesture. The fact that they gave you such a gift shows that they pay attention to what you do and they wanted to give you something to make your life a little easier. That was very thoughtful but you threw it back in their face. I completely understand why they're angry.

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  • [–] 28 points 11 months ago* (11 children)

    So I want to offer an alternative perspective.

    I don't know if OP is coming at if from the same place as me, but I'm broadly anti-consumerist. I prefer using the thing I have until it doesn't work anymore. When it doesn't work anymore, I prefer replacing it with something used when possible. If I get something new, I do a lot of research to find something durable and reliable that will last a long time.

    There's a moral aspect to it for me. Every new gadget or tchotchy burns in my mind as future trash, as the sum of all the energy and materials to make and fuel to transport and the resultant pollution. I recycle as much as possible, I limit my consumption as much as possible, when I do have things they are generally books or tools to help me otherwise limit my consumption.

    When I get some kitschy thing as a gift, that I don't need and took resources and generated waste to make, I feel like a vegan being gifted meat. No matter how well-intentioned the giver is, I feel implicated in something that is dirty to me. If you keep telling your family that you're a vegan, and they keep gifting you meat, any warmth from their intent is dwarfed by the sting that they keep ignoring your wishes.

    A nice gesture that's focused on the validation of the giver, in clear violation of the stated wishes of the receiver, is not a nice gesture. The nicest A5 Wagyu is not a nice gesture to someone who already told you they're a vegan.

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  • [–] 25 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    A nice gesture that's focused on the validation of the giver, in clear violation of the stated wishes of the receiver, is not a nice gesture.

    I think this is the heart of it. Really depends on OPs delivery, but if this was at least communicated, I can't see how they wouldn't see where OP was coming from too.

    It's so hard in this consumerist society to tell people sometimes it's a better gesture not to wastefully buy things just to say you cared.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    not to wastefully buy things just to say you cared.

    That's not what people usually do though. For most people new thing brings joy, (that's why consumerism is a thing in the first place), so people are buying new thing for you to bring you joy.

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  • [–] -1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Absolutely it is often what people do.

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  • [–] -1 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Oh also it doesn't fucking matter what most people would feel about new things. The gift giver isn't a stranger. They are married(assuming mother in law comment about the origin of the watch being replaced) and should know by now say least this much about the person they are sharing their life with.

    How could you be this oblivious to who your partner is by saying most people would have appreciated it.

    Using that reasoning then you are testing your spouse no more intimately than a complete stranger. That would hurt most people...

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    In requiring this much care for a partner, you need to remember to also give this much care.
    It's not like they took something from him, it was a gift, a gift of a thing he likes, he just got all pissy about how nobody appreciates his hobo aesthetics. When someone gives you a gift, rub some dirt in your new dildo and say thank you for your partner that cares for you and loves you, don't be a dick.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    It think it’s about balance. I have the same view point as yours. Early on, my wife would just get me new things of objects I already had. The difference is timing. I would tell her after the fact to not ruin her mood. She eventually understood and learned.

    Every now and then she still does get me a thing I believe I don’t need. But she’s learned to be observant and is usually correct. If it were up to me, I would likely wear socks until all 5 toes are showing through. What I do in this instance is keep the new thing and I make sure I gift the older item to someone in need of it, or as back up for myself if the space allows. I am very much known in my spaces as the person that gives things away. If you’ve been in my life at least 3yrs, you probably own something that belonged to me.

    I’m not sure what the relationship is between OP and the partner, but timing of when you tell them, does matter. Don’t do it right when the person has given you the gift, just wait. From what info there is, it doesn’t sound like they are a repeat offender of violating their rules.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    Yeah I am honestly taken back at the lack of emotional intelligence in this thread. "HOW DARE YOU NOT UNDERSTAND MY SPECIFIC BRAND OF MISANTHROPE." Jesus Christ this is some shit most children learn. A gift exchange is a ritual. Complete the fucking ritual you fucking loser, or go hate yourself somewhere else. If someone giving you a fucking gift somehow offends you then deal with it later. Yes, even if you are a vegan receiving Wagyu. A person of even moderate emotional intelligence would laugh about it. "Lmao, you aren't going to believe this..."

    This is pure fundamental attribution fallacy in the most neckbeard way possible.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (3 children)

    May I just ask… why? Why this obsession with old and used things? Seems like misplaced concern for the environment/the world.

    Misplaced I say because our individual impact is negligible, and 99,99% of all problems stem from like 10 massive polluting corporations.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (2 children)

    Because some people don't think it's misplaced. It's not an obsession with old things, it's an avoidance of new ones. Just because I'm only responsible for a tiny fraction doesn't mean I'm going to ignore that fraction.

    Consumerism is why those massive companies pollute so much in the first place.

    If I may ask, why is everyone else so obsessed with new things? Why is it the people who don't feel the need to constantly buy new products that have to explain themselves? That seems backwards.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I feel like it doesn’t have to be so extreme either way y’know. Getting a new better tool while your old one still (kinda) works is not wasteful. What’s wasteful is for cars to be manufactured purposefully to breakdown earlier. For TVs to break right when warranty expires. That’s something that impacts the world INFINITELY more than you holding on with white fingers to some old shit that’s falling apart.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Right, and buying new stuff when you don't need it perpetuates all those bad corporate practices. You can want to fix that while also not wanting to personally contribute to the excess.

    You and I have different tolerances for waste. I'm not going to preach to you about it, but you should at least respect the wishes of people who want to help in the ways they can.

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  • [–] 89 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    It's not about the item whatever it is, it's about your reaction to it. This was something your spouse got you to show you that they love you; they bought something they thought you would want and need because they see you using this item all the time. It doesn't matter that they know you like using old things - for them the thing they got you is an expression of their love for you, and your reaction (lets return it, I don't want it) is like rejecting their love and is insulting.

    I don't know how you said it to your spouse but the way you've described it here your reaction sounds like it was entirely factual and emotionless. It may not be what you're saying but how you said it that is the issue. Did you acknowledge how kind and thoughtful the gift was? Did you acknowledge what it means to get a nice gift from your spouse before saying that actually it's not something you'd use?

    Instead of seeing it as a tit-for-tat exchange and the same as you gifting t-shirts, you need to understand that this was a personal gift from your spouse. You also need to acknowledge you're difficult to get gifts for because you like old things. You're not the bad guy for wanting to return the item, you're likely the bad guy for how you've gone about it and hurting your spouses feelings in the process. It may be that you're not an emotional person or have difficulty reading other people including your spouse - that's fine but you may need to acknowledge that you've hurt their feelings even if you didn't realise or mean to, and apologise - that may help a lot. It would also be helpful to tell them how your mother-in-laws gift has sentimental value and you didn't want to replace it. It may still be that you end up returning the item - but it's far less important that your relationship with your spouse.

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  • [–] 23 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    To piggy back off this one, because I liked it, I'd like to zoom in on the spouse's reaction. Yes, it's an expression of their love. But also, if they're the sort of person that feels gift-giving is important, then they probably struggle with you being hard to buy for, because they want to get you something, because that's how they demonstrate love and attention.

    So probably they've been watching you, and they noticed you spend a lot of time with this item, and they thought if they got you a new or fancy version it would make for a great gift. They finally found something they know you'll like! They'll watch you open it, you'll light up, and thank them for their keen insight, attention, and creativity. The perfect gift.

    Obviously it didn't go down that way, but I think in addition to just "rejecting their love", I imagine there's also a huge factor that is just shock and disappointment. They had high expectations, they were excited for the reveal, and what they got was so much worse than what they expected they just don't even know what to do with this energy. They may even be a little embarrassed, both that they got you a bad gift, and at their misplaced excitement.

    It's just an emotional letdown for them, I imagine. Now depending on their emotional maturity, they may just need to collect themselves, realize this whole thing was their fault for getting their hopes up even though you've told them you're not interested. They'll realize you have good reasons to want to keep the old one, and that they overlooked the importance of it. And if they don't have that level of mindfulness, then they may calm down, but they'll still blame you fully.

    Anyway, just wanted to point out what I expect the source of the "outsized"-feeling reaction might be. Acute, sudden onset, disappointment.

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  • [–] -1 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    That's entirely too many assumptions you are making it assertions you are crediting with no evidence at all.

    Entirely too much for my comfort anyway

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    That's totally fair! It was a little intuition, a lot of "going with the gut", and a bit of flair, it's true. But I figured if none of this resonates with OP at all, they can choose to ignore me as full of shit 😛

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  • [–] 23 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    It's time for new rules OP, and also a good talk with your S.O. nothing you did is wrong and nothing they did is wrong. It's more about being open and having discussions. They should know these kind of things, and the fact that they don't is both your fault.

    No one is suffering here (imo) so that's a great success.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    If no one did anything wrong, then why am I being punished for it? Sigh.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (2 children)

    Are you being punished or are you feeling punished. This is a point you should talk about with your s.o

    I've been dating the same girl for 16 yrs now and she finally understood how important the word "i am sorry" are to me. Is it her fault? Nah is it mine? I don't think so, because i'm pretty sure i stated it clearly multiple time. Is there really a need for someone to be at fault?

    Your s.o anger might not be directed toward you, but more toward the situation, which your are part of.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Being punished or feeling punished?

    I'm getting the silent treatment.

    I do also feel bad for making them upset. So maybe both.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    My S.O. : maybe they feel their good intention weren't aknowledged? So that's why they are hurting. It's important for you to respect your values, but maybe in the process they felt their emotions were discarded by wanting to return the gift.

    Me: To be frank, i don't know :) i don't know because i'm not you and it's not my situation. I do know there are no easy statement which will make it all disapear. I also know love hurt sometime, but this suffering is the proof of your love. So take your time, and talk it out. I wish you the best op.

    P.s. My s.o is autistic, and she has tendecies to shutdown when she's upset. Maybe a shutdown instead of the silent treatment, you know your s.o best, but i want you to know Silent treatment is a form of abuse.

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  • [–] 23 points 11 months ago (9 children)

    Remember, gifting is a shared experience, meant to be appreciated by the giftee as well as the gifter. It's obvious that your partner put thought into the gift, and that should be appreciated. Giving thoughtful gifts is not an easy task. Just because you have a new item does not diminish the value of the old sentimental one. But demanding the new one be returned could easily sow resentment in your relationship that will be revisited every gifting season.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago*

    I.... Sort of agree and sort of disagree. They thought of OP, but also.... Didn't. OP is being stubborn in understanding, but so is the gift giver. It's a sensitive and complex situation, and both parties' emotions are valid and just a little bit selfish.

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  • [+] -8 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    they didn't put any good damned thought into it. Not any that wasn't completely selfish.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    christ you're just a bundle of joy aren't you

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  • [–] -1 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    I am fucking delightful actually. I also can empathize with someone I've never met.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (4 children)

    your response doesn't fill me with confidence

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (3 children)

    Truth is often stranger than fiction

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (2 children)

    is it also commonly downvoted?

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  • [–] 79 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    My wife got me a bartesian for Christmas last year. It makes the worst fucking drinks I've ever had in my life. It takes up space in my kitchen. The drink pods are like $3 each. It takes cleaning and maintenance. I hate everything about it.

    I acted happy about it. Privately seethed and ranted. I literally would rather have gotten nothing than wasted money on that. And then I tried several drinks from it before "deciding" I had fun mixing my own drinks, but I still use it for guests and for her drinks that she likes.

    I think it's god awful but I realized it made her happy and that is something I treasure. I don't know if there's anything in there for you to take away, but I can relate. Sometimes we just put on a happy face and let our loved ones enjoy giving us something.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Sounds like a relationship with a fair bit of conflict avoidance? I hope you have some good relief valves..

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (2 children)

    So OP uses new printer to print stuff for the wife?

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    I don't know if there's anything in there for you to take away, but I can relate.

    You might've missed this part because it was kinda buried there. I'm not telling OP what to do or judging. But I related to the feeling and shared what I did.

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  • [–] 21 points 11 months ago

    This is one of those situations where nobody wins. They tried to do something nice, you didn't like it, and both people ended up unhappy. Neither was being unreasonable.

    Buying someone a gift of a new thing isn't unreasonable. Even if you tend to like older/used things it's still not an unreasonable concept to buy someone an upgrade.

    Not liking a gift because the old one is fine is also not unreasonable. Especially if you have established this as a preference before.

    The best option here is for the partner to realize that the goal of the gift is to make the other person happy, and if that didn't work, figure out the path forward that does make them happy. (in this case returning the gift, and finding something else)

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  • [–] 21 points 11 months ago

    Gifts are am emotional thing. There are lots of estimations of what the other person likes or wants and lots of expectations from the giving side. The whiplash from hoping for the best, to finding you've actually caused displeasure with your gift can be hard to handle.

    Both sides need to be wise, in control of their emotions and those of the other party when gifts are exchanged. Be as gentle as you can when explaining why it's not something you want, express the things you're grateful for (the intention, their effort, etc.), and even more gentle with their upset feelings at your refusal.

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  • [–] 20 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    “My car has over 100k” had me dying.

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    I've only ever owned one car under 100k and it wasn't by much, lol

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    My truck has 400k right now and runs great.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (4 children)

    What's it made of? Adamantium? I managed to reach 200k kilometres (~120k miles) with one of my previous cars and I was afraid it would just break and the repairs would cost more than the car did (which did happen, but not to me, it was after I sold it for a 30-pack of beers).

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    It's made of slowly replaced parts. I got my little diesel to 280k before a bad oil day ruined it, and whenever I talked with other folks who had engines that high, no one ever seemed to consider the replaced plugs, alternators, radiator bits, water pumps, belts, and everything else that gets worked on. I think the only things original by the time I lost it were the headers, cylinders, and maybe a few hoses.

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  • [–] 19 points 11 months ago

    Honestly, most people suck at giving gifts. Most people struggle to put themselves in someone else's shoes

    Your SO probably put real thought into the gift, and paid attention to you to come up with a good idea. And most people think new is better (although I'm with you). They think it's sour grapes or something when you tell them how you enjoy the fact something has been with you for all this time, and how you've carefully repaired it over the years

    So all in all, that's a halfway well thought out gift. More effort than most people put into them, anyways. They were probably really excited and proud of themselves

    I don't know what to do with that information... Personally I'd probably accept the gift and leave it in the closet as a backup. I'm not sure if that's better or not, but it would spread the experience out

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  • [–] 19 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child)

    You have to explain why in a much clearer way.

    Explain that you do appreciate it. Explain that if you hadn't had the prior thing you probably would have loved it. But now, it's a change, and it's a big change, in several ways, including the nostalgia factor, and you absolutely appreciate that this thing is newer and more expensive but it doesn't YET make sense for you to make the change and because of that you don't want to make the change.

    And because of that, it will just be sitting unused and you don't like the idea of it sitting unused.

    It felt bad to you to not use a gift.

    And that, wanting to keep what you have, not wanting a change, and not wanting it to sit unused, is why you suggested a return, and not because you don't appreciate it.

    I think you'll have to explain the "not wanting change" bit the most, by explaining why you feel that way. Maybe try finding a similar comparison. Imagine you'd gift them expensive jewelry or clothes they feel they couldn't ever wear, maybe something they couldn't wear together with their favorite clothing. A bag that would only sit in a closet. A tool that does more, but is heavier or whatever. Whatever that feels relevant to them, that makes them understand why you feel like you don't want to make the change, not yet.

    this is brilliant, but I like this

    How should you have initially responded? Hard to say without knowing the people around you, but I'd say it would've been safe to say something like "oh, I don't know if I can replace the current thing yet, I like it too much, and it's got so many years left"

    In other words, tell her that the gift was indeed great and that there's wrong with the gift except timing, and emphasize you do not fault her for anything, you're happy she thought of it, you're sorry your reaction made her feel bad, you should've communicated better, and you'll make a change to communicate better.

    Perhaps even say something like "I probably should've told you I wanted to use this current thing for much longer, I should've explained more about how I think about these things and how I plan". Because your initial response sucked honestly, and you need to make sure your phrasing don't make her feel she made a mistake.

    If she really likes being able to give you gifts, and if she now feels uncertain about being able to give you future gifts (this is very likely, by the way!), you should consider implementing that "communicating better" thing - for example (you don't need to do it exactly like this, IT'S AN EXAMPLE) by maintaining and sharing a list of your existing things plus a wishlist, with details like "don't replace before" and "replace no later than" and "required specs: XYZ". And if she likes feeling like she can put her own touch on it, DO NOT present it as "do exactly this", but rather "you can take inspiration from this".

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  • [–] 38 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    They want to improve your life by giving you something which is not broken and assumedly works better than whatever you’re using now. You are rejecting that because of your insistence that things must be old. They know you will never get it for yourself, and maybe they think you’re just being cheap. It probably hurts them seeing you use what to them looks like a piece of crap. It’s really hard to say without knowing what the actual items involved are In just speculating.

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago

    Knocking onto this, it could also stem from the fact that they'd like a bit more of OPs time. A new item means(presumably) less time trouble shooting and repairing, more efficient use, and less time having to correct the items mistakes. That additional time is some of what they are lamenting not being able to get.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    It's not so much an insistence that things be old. I love refurbishing old things and making them work for me. Just cooked breakfast on a pan my wife and I found in the trash! I treasure items like that more than something I merely threw money at.

    For example; I could have a laugh with a friend: "Check out this brand new pan we found in the garbage!" Vs. "Yeah, I went to Walmart and bought a new pan."

    One of my favorite vintage shotguns took me a month to refurbish, make it mine. Promise you've never seen one like it. It was all of $200 (parts, stain, every little cost). I'm far more proud of that than the any shotgun I could have bought at the store.

    Anyway, I understand OP. But he still shouldn't have insisted on returning the damned thing.

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  • [–] -1 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    They literally said the old one still "works just fine"...

    And it seems clear from the text that it's a 3D printer

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    The text makes clear that the 3d printer was an older gift that they enjoyed (which they enjoyed building)

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  • [–] -3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Yes, and:

    "For my birthday, my spouse got me a nicer newer expensive version of a thing I already have."

    Seems clear that the gift was a replacement printer?

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  • [–] 17 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Nobody is a bad person here and both of your feelings are valid.

    As others pointed out, your partner likely put significant effort into the gift and is hurt that the effort was in vain. Compounding that is the fact that you didn't seem to acknowledge their effort or treat their hurt as valid.

    Your hurt is valid. You got given something you don't want and now you feel pressured to accept it to appease your partner. It's in certain ways worse than getting nothing.

    The situation sucks and you'll both be hurt regardless of how you resolve it.

    It's probably going to be very important for you two to work out gifts or gift giving occasions. What do you like to do, for yourself or with your partner. Maybe the answer to that question can be part of the solution.

    For the time being you have a few options. You can keep the gift like the others have said, maybe as a backup. Or you can return it. I suggest that if you return it you spend the money on something you both enjoy, maybe a nice date to sooth the hurt.

    Let your partner know that you appreciate the effort that went into this gift. Let them know that you know you're a hard person to buy for, especially because you're not very consumerist which means that the things typically for sale won't appeal to you. Let them know that it's important for you that you're both able to express love towards each other and that you want to make sure that the next time your partner expends significant effort for you that they're able to create a situation which is rewarding for the both of you.

    Then sort out what you're going to do with this gift. Maybe explain your feelings about using the old device and how the new one can't do that for you.

    Then make a plan to work out the line term goal of how you'll give each other gifts/experiences in the future. And actually do it. It might be a lot of work, but it will probably create a lot of joy in your relationship in the long run where there might have been even more pain.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Your hurt is valid. You got given something you don’t want and now you feel pressured to accept it to appease your partner. It’s in certain ways worse than getting nothing.

    Can you explain this? I was always taught to accept the sentiment and just receive the gift. I certainly wouldn't suggest returning a gift.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    Fundamentally this gift is replacing something that has sentimental value to OP. That's not usually a desirable gift. If someone got you a gift that replaced your favorite [thing] in a way that replaces it you wouldn't want it either.

    Cheerfully accepting a gift you don't like is dishonest. Other replies have great honest and tactful ways to accept or reject a gift you don't like. Op's approach was hurtful to their partner which isn't great.

    Returning a gift is normal, that's why stores issue gift receipts. However, it is a situation that requires tact since it's easy to hurt someone if done poorly.

    In the long term, it should be easy for you and your partner to do something special for each other where no one has to fake enjoyment. In OP's case, effort spent communicating now will bring a lot of enjoyment in the future and save a lot of pain.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    The returning the gift is what normal people do when they get something that they don't want/like, AND when the person giving the gift isn't the spouse. You can return it, the person giving it will never know, and everyone goes away relatively happy.

    OP is being reasonable from a certain perspective, in that he can't just return the gift because it's his spouse. She'll know. So he explained that he wants to return it, because it would be like being gifted a new car when you've just finished restoring the beautiful hot rod that has passed to you after your mother passed away, and it was the same hot rod that she used to take you driving in down the old country roads when she got home from work on a friday. You don't want to get rid of the hot rod, but you've only got space in the garage for one car. Should you just "receive the gift" and get rid of the hot rod? Of course not.

    In the OP's case, if he doesn't just "receive the gift" then his spouse will be hurt, so there is a very large pressure there to accept the gift so his spouse won't get hurt. So to him, he's been put in a position that makes him hurt because whatever he does will hurt someone, either himself by getting rid of the sentimental 3d printer, or his spouse by not keeping the new gift.

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  • [–] -4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    The gift is an insult to OP. It's hurtful and savage to force them to accept something that causes them pain and suffering and then force them to make them responsible for the other person's feelings.

    That's so fucked up you would blame op just because they didn't want this unsolicited gift

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  • [–] 17 points 11 months ago

    Some families teach their kids that your ability to pick a gift directly equates to your value as a person.

    Clearly her failure in this instance is more important to her than to you.

    Whatever you do, try to help her feel valued.

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  • [–] 17 points 11 months ago

    You make it clear that you don’t like new things. You really need to recognize that this makes it difficult for your loved ones to buy you gifts. I’m old enough that I generally don’t want anything for Christmas or my birthday. I have enough stuff. What I want is time to spend with the people I love. That doesn’t mean I refuse gifts or complain about them, because a gift means that someone saw something that made them think of you; and they bought it for you to celebrate your relationship. So even if it’s a bad gift, it’s coming from a good place.

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago

    Gonna leave this here, it's worth a read:

    Asker vs Guesser culture

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  • [–] 31 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Are you neurodivergent? If, then it seems like a clear and typical misunderstanding of expectations.

    If not, consider if you might be 😉

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago

    I think from a factual basis your position sounds perfectly reasonable, I feel similarly about new things. (Perhaps there are other parts of the story missing though?)

    There's a lot to be said for delivery. If you opened a gift an reacted badly immediately, that would hurt. Even if the gift was misjudged, it was probably meant with good intent. Accepting thankfully, acknowledging the intention, and THEN coming around to the "but you really should have checked in first for something like this" might be a good way to start.

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    This item sounds like it might be for a hobby.

    An inviolate rule for gifts is you NEVER give a gift for someone's hobby, unless they have specifically mentioned it. Then you buy EXACTLY what they tell you.

    Case in point... I'm a former skydiver. It's a sport full of extremely counterintuitive aspects. One of my brothers was in the army and did airborne training under round parachutes. He gifted me a set of paratrooper boots to use while skydiving...

    It was a nice thought, but most of the time I'm running out a landing, not doing a PLF (Parachute Landing Fall). The boots were extremely tight around the ankles for support on landing under a round parachute. They were less than useless for jumping a ram air chute. They were in my closet for almost 20 years, before I decided it was time to make some space. Zero jumps and probably less than a few hours of wear, because they were just not comfortable, since they were designed to save your ankles landing under a T-10.

    Yes, I informed my brother emphatically that I could not use that type of boot in sport skydiving, but typical of my family someone else knew better of what I was doing than I did.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I wouldn't doubt someone out there has gifted boots with the metal hooks for laces. Not wearing boots was one of the things emphasized for tandems at my drop zone.

    (Looking at your name) Did you do CRW stuff? Swooping? I'm still new, but I love the canopy time more than free fall, and am looking for folks who I can leech knowledge off of.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Awesome! Blue Skies!

    Yeah, sports shoes, hiking SHOES (not boots) are appropriate. The swoopers would wear shoes with little tread so that they didn't catch anything on the ground. I've seen a few broken ankles like that and a boot would not have helped.

    I'm a former jumper now. My last jump was in 2006. Main reason is I got bored and took my life in another direction. I did some CRW and was actually in the 100 record attempt in Lake Wales many years ago, although I have to admit I'm not the best CReWdog and got cut. So I'm not officially a part of the record, but I was there. I was on the record setting team for big ways in Ohio, Indiana, and Kentucky (65-ways). I think that was 1999 and not sure if those records still stand. It was all the same team, we just flew from our base at Skydive Greene County in Xenia OH over to Skydive Greensburg, IN and someplace in KY... Can't remember what airport it was in Kentucky.

    Also had a 4 and 8 way competition team. We traveled a bit to compete and went to nationals every year up until about 2003, until internal conflicts on the team broke it apart.

    I took jumpers just off student status and trained them on canopy skills, hence my moniker. Never taught swooping, at least not with toggles. I consider toggle turns close to the ground too dangerous and have known people that were killed that way. I get it and I've never tried to argue people out of doing hook turns, but it's not something I would ever teach or recommend. If you want to swoop use your front risers. Not as exciting, but you'll have a much better chance at becoming an old skydiver. There are a couple of my former students who are professional skydivers today and you've seen them jump in movies. They have far out stripped this old dog, that is for sure and I'm quite proud of them.

    Other than that, I did attain a USPA PRO license and did a lot of demo jumps. Stadiums, golf courses, a couple of NASCAR races and a few airshows. I hated doing airshows the most as it was typical for the director of the air show to know nothing about skydiving and I'd have to deal with weird restrictions. Just about got into a fist fight with one idiot telling me NO TURNS under 1500ft... Not even S turns. I told him to go fuck himself and I pulled my team out of the show. God damn whuffos.

    My token is me under my PD Spectre 150 in 1997. I also had a Spectre 135 and a Sharp Chuter. Actually, I had several Sharp Chuters as jumping smoke destroyed them after a while. My container of choice was the Sunpath Javelin. I had a J-2 Javelin, which is what I was jumping in my token photo. My 135 was in one of the first Javelin Odysseys off the production line. I want to say it was a TNJ, but don't remember and I sold it when I retired. I did demo jumps using a Dolphin. Back in those days you could buy one of those for $500 so if it got torn up due to smoke or some other demo jump thing it was not big deal. I think I did replace it once.

    All in all I'm somewhere in the 4500's for jump numbers. My log books have fallen to multiple moves over the last 20 years, so I don't know the exact number. I know people with tens of thousands of jumps. The DZO of Skydive Greene County, Jim West, passed away last week and he was north of 20,000 jumps 25 years ago and I'm sure he added a lot more. He had more time in free fall that a lot of people have riding in planes.

    Also, don't take skydiving advice off the internet if it's anything other than... "ASK YOUR JUMP MASTER or S&TA".

    BSBD

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  • [–] 30 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    We literally established a rule early in our marriage. I'm not allowed to gift nerdy t shirts. They don't like them. I love them. I thought they would like them but they do not. So they asked me to stop. This feels the same.

    This point stood out to me. I'm assuming that you verbally established a "no nerdy t-shirts" rule, but did not verbally establish the "no new items" rule. If it was only implied, or you felt it was obvious to not buy you new gifts, but did not explicitly establish that rule like you did for the t-shirts, then it is not the same. Neither of you are bad or wrong for the moscommunication, but this is a great opportunity to have an open and frank discussion about gift expectations for each other.

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  • [+] -7 points 11 months ago* (2 children)

    Why should they get to be upset about it because it's a gift, yet the item being replaced with not something similar in style but different, but a literally new version of beloved gift, is supposed to be discarded without any thought about that gift.

    Like what the hell is that logic. That gift you love and use all the time without ever mentioning a problem with is not good enough for my liking, replace it with MY version of it or you will hurt my feelings and that majes YOU a bad person for my feelings getting hurt.

    Sorry but f that logic say I'm sorry I didnt know it meant so much to you.

    They should be made to answer, in front of the mother in law, why and how the perfectly loved and valued watch needed to be replaced

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Do you care about the person that gave the gift? Do you trust and believe that they love you and got the gift in good faith, trying to do well even if it was flawed? Then express gratitude for the intention, even if you don't want the gift. "Sorry, I'm happy with the one I have and don't want to replace it."

    Do you care about the person you want to give a gift to? Do you trust and believe that they love you and them disliking a gift isn't an indicator that they dislike you? Then humbly accept that your gift wasn't the right one, and work together with them to find something they would prefer instead.

    It isn't difficult if you just talk with each other. Sometimes people pick bad gifts. Sometimes people are sentimentally attached to items. Sometimes people are very practical and have a "if it isn't broken, it doesn't need to be replaced/fixed" mentality that supercedes other considerations. Me, I have the opposite extreme. Even if a gift I receive is nothing something I have any intention of using, I feel obligated to find a space and use for it as a show of appreciation to the person that gifted it to me, because I wasnt owed the gift in the first place and I have gratitude they were thinking of me. That can be (is) unhealthy in an entirely different way.

    But even if you think a gift is dumb and wrong and it's an insult that they even gave it to you, if you love that person you swallow that pride and let them know you appreciate what they were trying to do but that they got it wrong this time. This can be done gently instead of coldly. And I am not saying OP had done it coldly, maybe the gift giving partner has insecurities they need to deal with. I don't know, I wasn't there. Understanding why the gift giving partner would be upset that their gift was snubbed only takes a hint of empathy to understand, though. On the other hand, it's also easy to understand why the receiver would be confused why the gift was chosen in the first place, with the information provided. Both are missreading each other on different points.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago*

    Do you care about the person that gave the gift? Do you trust and believe that they love you and got the gift in good faith, trying to do well even if it was flawed? Then express gratitude for the intention, even if you don't want the gift. "Sorry, I'm happy with the one I have and don't want to replace it."

    Yes that's why there is a problem with the reaction wanting to return the gift. Maybe we didn't understand the same thing.

    The giver was hurt because the reciever expressed that they didn't want the gift so they should return it because it won't get used. "Sorry, I'm happy with the one I have and don't want to replace it." There is no indication that how you phrased this isn't exactly what op did. Unlikely, but we don't know any more than after expressing they don't want a new version that they suggested it be returned. To me that says I'm sorry but this was a waste and I don't want your effort to be wasted.

    If this was an acquaintance and not their partner I could see it differently, maybe. I'm trying not to make assumptions about anything here and using the post on its own merit. So as far as I'm concerned OP didn't do anything wrong and is confused by the hurt reaction. Coming here to try and get an outside perspective is an attempt to get a less biased perspective on the situation which is evidence that OP actually cares a great deal about why this is a problem and is literally asking us to help understand.

    A lot of the comments have made wild assumptions about OP "scolding" their spouse when that's not information we know and it is being assumed.

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  • [–] 30 points 11 months ago* (5 children)

    I had issues with this, with my partner. They love surprises, and kept trying to learn how to correctly surprise me with a gift.

    The sentence that finally got us on the same page:

    "I can enjoy a surprise. But I enjoy same event, whatever it is, more, if it is not a surprise. I don't necessarily hate every event that is a surprise. But every surprise is less pleasant to me than the same event would be without the surprise."

    This finally got them to stop trying to find a right way to surprise me, and just make a judgement call whether the surprise was worth making it a little less nice for me.

    They do still surprise me, sometimes, but they finally understand that there's a cost, to me, to it. And now they weigh that into their decision, and it is so nice for me!

    Edit: And we now have a shared understanding that anything big or expensive or hard to store needs to not be a surprise.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    I couldn't agree more. A cute little toy or gadget? Sure, surprise me. New laptop, car, washing machine, furniture? What the fuck, why would you surprise someone with that, if I'm to use it I want a say in what kind it is and that we didn't waste money on bullshit. It's not even that I don't trust others, just that I feel left out. A simple "hey, the washing machine broke, I found a good one and I think ill buy it" is enough.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Edit: And we now have a shared understanding that anything big or expensive or hard to store needs to not be a surprise.

    Wait, so no surprise brand new cars with a giant red bow for Christmas like they show in the commercials? /s

    Seriously though, this is a pretty good rule. I may have to talk to my spouse about doing something similar.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Wait, so no surprise brand new cars with a giant red bow for Christmas like they show in the commercials? /s

    Haha. That is the perfect example. Just seeing those commercials makes me feel uneasy.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    Haha, you and me both. I don't have too much trouble with surprises, but I think those commercials are super weird and out of touch too. Maybe it's a class thing, since I don't know anyone who has ever given a brand new car as a gift. Shrug.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    They do still surprise me, sometimes, but they finally understand that there's a cost, to me, to it. And now they weigh that into their decision, and it is so nice for me!

    This part is important. I touched in it a little in my comment to OP as well, but it's easy to forget that a relationship is not only about how you show love, but how you accept it. I'm glad you're able to accept some surprises and I'm glad your partner has accepted that not everything should be a surprise. It's a good compromise!

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago

    she wants that thing that you use all the time to be from her, while she watches you use the new one and to give it the age that shows all the wear and tear that you will put into it

    she probably respects that you respect and cherish the old one and maybe she doesn't want you to go without if it fails which all things will do in time

    maybe you should put the old one in place that lets you see it as a trophy or momento while you use the new one and enjoy the gift your love has gifted to you

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