xkcd #3167: Car Size

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'They really shouldn't let those small cars drive in traffic. I worry I'm going to kill someone if I hit one! They should have to drive on the sidewalk, safely out of the way.'

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'They really shouldn't let those small cars drive in traffic. I worry I'm going to kill someone if I hit one! They should have to drive on the sidewalk, safely out of the way.'

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[–] 81 points 1 year ago (27 children)

The number of massive trucks I see without a speck of dirt in the bed that are used mainly for commuting and groceries is pathetic.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (19 children)

    If I could have a Fully electric mid 90s chevy S10 style pickup with modern safety features and no surveillance I would be sooooo happy. But no, if I want a truck I can buy old as fuck or get a wanktank. Closest option to what I want in the US currently is a Ford Maverick (which is literally just a rebadged explorer sport trac for the modern age) but that would mean supporting Ford, and like, fuck Ford.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    What's crazy (and sucks) is they DID have an EV S10 from the mid 90's (hence why it sucks: it's exactly what you want, but they killed it)

    Of course it doesn't have the modern safety features, but I bet you could still find one if you're determined enough! Although it's possible you already knew this 😉

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_S-10_EV

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I had no idea, I'll have a to keep an eye out for those 👀

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Glad I could open your eyes! I have no idea how rare they are so it's possible you'll never see one (or you'll have to build one yourself maybe?)

    I only heard about them a day or two before commenting because of the recent EV1 auction! Turns out Jared from The Questionable Garage (formerly Wrench Every Day) got one driving again, which he brought up in his video talking about the EV1 auction

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    You're basically asking for what slate promises to be.

    Also, you totally didn't say it, but I feel like whining about it so: A lot of people think that the infotainment in cars could be stripped out to lower the price, but a big touch screen is actually very cheap and it might even be more expensive to have a bunch of bespoke buttons per model, so really, the idea of a gutted out vehicle wouldn't save any money. The only actual money savers would be in areas like the suspension, build quality, engine size, that sort of thing.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Perhaps, but having tactile options like buttons and dials is considerably safer as the ui can't change and you can keep your eyes on the road

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Perhaps, but having tactile options like buttons and dials is considerably safer as the ui can’t change and you can keep your eyes on the road

    Meh. Debatable.

    I think a few crucial buttons and a screen is most safe. To have all the modern features and settings of a normal car and have buttons alone would leave you with a 747 cockpit you have to look at anyways, and you'd have to cover more area to find things.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Correct me if I'm wrong, is Slate not Amazon backed? No judgement either way, I just know that rubs some lemmings the wrong way

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Oh don't worry, it isn't! Its just backed by Jeff Bezos himself.......

    Yeah......

    This world sucks, and sometimes you gotta make some shitty pragmatic choices. I would judge someone harshly for a Tesla but less so for Slate given that 1. Jeff isn't so openly racist so much as being a greedy bastard of a human being, and 2. Slate is backed by him but not fully owned by him.

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  • Ah the fun of the world we live in...

    Yeah 100%, I'm fully on board with your reasoning. I'm continuously arguing with myself over a Bronco or a Tacoma (only modern backcontry capable vehicles with manuals I'm aware of), so I do NOT have a moral high ground here haha

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You don't need software developers for a button

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago*

    While you do not need software devs for a button, once you have enough buttons doing enough things controlling them with a computer becomes much easier than controlling them using mechanical circuitry. This is the whole reason for SBCs like the Arduino, so people can make the transitionary step between "my project is simple enough to have physical logic built into it" and "my project is so complex it no longer makes sense for me to hand build the logic"

    If you haven't messed with physical logic gates before, I recommend it! If you don't have a physical workspace to do it in, Minecraft actually Makes a 'great' sandbox for playing with logic circuits. Superflat Creative worlds are the bomb for that.

    Start with a simple yes gate, then learn a not gate, then an And, then an Or, and build up from there!

    You'll find very quickly that once you need persistence involved, projects with physical logic can scale massively with each additional bit of storage added. Doing something with that storage? Good luck! As a result, nowadays we pay someone for a tiny computer they already made, and program it to make our buttons do stuff, instead of just having the buttons do stuff directly.

    Edit: removed a word, analog does not mean mechanical, mea culpa.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    You need someone to figure out how to get the car to interpret that button press. Whether it's an electrical engineer or a dev doesn't make too much difference to the argument.

    the software route actually makes a bit more sense at scale, as you can abstract all the same functions into the car's computer regardless of what human interface device is activating that function.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    It's become a wealth/status symbol for people who don't like the more traditional bougie shit. Lets them still delude themselves into thinking they're salt of the earth types.

    I can afford for 2/3 of my vehicle to be functionally useless! Dohohohoho!

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    t’s become a wealth/status symbol for people who don’t like the more traditional bougie shit

    It's because they are actual luxury vehicles. Get inside one of the new ones, and it's basically what you would imagine a lexus or lincoln would be like. All the fanciness, all the nifty little features... Finding one that is actually made to 'work' is hard.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    I think there have been occasions where I have passed a truck stopped at a red light on my bike, while carrying more groceries or other materials than they have in their entire backseat and bed.

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  • [–] 59 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Just a few thousand truck flipping cars on the road might be a good start

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    What's the Lancia logo doing on there?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Not to speak of the Lancia Stratos, the original cheese wedge:

    cheese

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    That one apparently did well in rally, so I have trouble seeing it as a ‘hugging the ground’ supercar. Even though Porsches and Lambos also were in rally.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    It's a bit of a misconception. Soft-sprung cars can be hella fast on roads.

    But modern supercars are sprung so slow for downforce, to try to turn their bottoms into vacuum cleaners. But (outside of racetracks) its mostly for show and 'sporty feel,' as this downforce doesn't really kick in till like 90mph+. In fact, many racecars are faster around hairpins when sprung looser and higher.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Just passed one of those on my work today. It was LADA 2108 with lowered roof and suspension planted all the way down. Kind of like hybrid of theese two:

    It got stuck in a pothole at an intersection...

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  • [–] 152 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Just gonna keep on posting this

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  • [–] 57 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I should get an M1 Abrams and write off as a business expense

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I remember hearing years ago how the M1 Abrams was a battlefield domination machine that could only be killed by another M1. That was clearly propaganda. Those overweight, overpriced pieces of shit got lit the fuck up after being shipped to Ukraine.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    Russian invasion of ukraine has been the only war in quite a long time where a major power has been fighting against a major power. most other conflicts in many decades have been asymmetrical warfare/symmetrical warfare between outdated militaries. Ukraine has shown that drones are the new thing in warfare, they provide excellent intel, cheap short range pinpoint accurate light artillery. unmatched spotting for heavier artillery and with a bit more expense long range strategic strikes are also possible. With drone warfare MBTs seem to be mostly just the juiciest of targets.

    Where previously M1 could be resistant to most attacks, now with drone spotting a direct hit with guided shells can score a direct hit of 155mm shell on top armour of tanks.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    I've driven a Volvo L120H. It had. A pretty great visibility forward, better than my own car (Peugeot 108) lol. But that's due to sitting so high up and only when I took the front loader off. Backwards it had a camera, which I was so jelly of when backing

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  • [–] 43 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    This could be solved so many different ways.

    The most obvious is getting rid of the stupid CAFE regulations and Chicken tax that basically incentivise the fuck out of making these monstrosities.

    The others are less likely to be done in a country like the USA with its 2 party system where the options are conservatism and fascist conservatism.

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  • [–] 85 points 1 year ago* (10 children)

    Fucking with a coworker back in the day who drove a monster SUV with zero need. I don't noramlly make judgement on that but I knew the family well. Her husband had a nice truck and their one kid was adult and moved out.

    "I drive it because it's safer."

    "So you're happy to kill someone in a tiny car like mine, as long as you're OK?"

    <stares motherfuckerly>

    "Aren't you Christian? What do you figure Jesus would say about that?"

    "Get out of my office Shalafi."

    🤷🏻

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  • [–] 40 points 1 year ago

    It bugs me when people refuse to acknowledge they're being a selfish prick. At least have the strength of character to look someone in the eye and say "Yes, I'd rather you die than me". Fucking cowards.

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Old joke, but Jesus drove a Honda sedan.

    He and his disciples were together in one Accord.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It isn't safer if all of the other drivers are also in massive suvs.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    May Skeletor suggest: Regulation

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago* (7 children)

    regulation is why cars in the USA are so large. all the safety requirements pushed them larger and larger and heavier.

    also the chicken tax is why our trucks must be large.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    not USanian but afaik cars got so big over there because trucks (being work vehicles) have less (environmental, safety, ...) regulations than cars, that's why SUVs got so popular, manufacturers pushed them onto public. as long as the base for the vehicle is that of a truck they are legally exempt from many limits.

    source: probably "Not Just Bikes" on y*utube idk

    EDIT: just read about the chicken tax, interesting...

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    cars are way bigger than they were 10-20 years ago. My 2017 civic is larger than my 1995 Camry, and not much smaller than my 1989 4Runner. Mostly because of safety features. My 1995 didn't have massive crumple zones and 20 air bags. it had 1 airbag.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Smaller modern cars still have the same safety features, marketing has found the best way to make consumers want new and more expensive cars through the idea of big car=safe, which only becomes true if the other car involved in a crash is also big, but just like the comic shows, it becomes an arms race where it only increases the danger, as a bigger car also has bigger inertia, so a crash at the same speed has drastic different energy transference.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    people like bigger cars for many other reasons.

    they are more comfortable. they are safer, they fit more stuff. they have more features than smaller cars. they are often quieter.

    and if you have a family you need a larger vehicle to fit kids and pets.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    that's true, but from what i've seen these gigantic cars really don't offer that much more space; if space/capacity was really a concern family buses/vans whatever would be much more popular. where i live most people i see on SUVs are alone on their car, bigger families just get a Citroen Berlingo <3

    but yeah people do like big cars

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  • [–] 99 points 1 year ago* (23 children)

    I'm not even against large vehicles as there are legit use cases for them. I just think they should cost more, be taxed more, and be forbidden to park in certain areas.

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  • [–] 39 points 1 year ago (20 children)

    They already cost more and considering they have worse gas mileage, they paying more taxes on fuel as well.

    I agree with the parking though, back of the lot with ya.

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  • [–] 42 points 1 year ago* (15 children)

    in reality most (all?) states in the US don't charge progressively more for vehicle registration based on weight, and even when they do, the thresholds are really high. So a F-150 weighing over 5000 lbs may pay the same as a Honda Civic weighing half of that.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Right but the comment you’re replying to is talking about sticker price and gas, not registration.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    the original (my) comment mentions tax

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Which they already pay, the sales tax would be higher and they’re paying more in gas taxes.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yeah, but I'm with the OP here. It should cost significantly more tax wise than it does to disincentivize it

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    I like the idea of just having a tax linked directly to how much wear a vehicle causes to roads, because the wear goes up exponentially with weight. Not only would this make oversized cars (and cars in general) much more expensive, it would also provide the funds needed to repair roads that get completely annihilated by trucking companies.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    and yet, people keep buying these things to buy groceries and drive on asphalt, so just fuel inefficiency is clearly not enough

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    the average carpayment is 750 new, 500 used. I bought a new car last year and my payment is $300. technically i could afford like a $1000 payment.

    americans often pay like 30%+ of their income to cars. And yes, they actively choose to do this. Nobody is forcing them to buy a 60K F150 over a 30K sedan.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Texas used to, maybe still does. You made me try to look it up and couldn't find a simple source. Plenty of states use MRSP or some measure of the vehicle's value.

    Back in the day (Tulsa, OK) my friend had a 2-ton dump truck with antique tags (over 25-yo), paid $20. Meanwhile, someone buying a super-light Corvette was paying $650. (early 90s money)

    I say go on weight, maybe some factoring of value. Registration fees are paying for roads, if your monster vehicle is doing more damage, you pay more.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Honestly i'm fine with the value of the vehicle not affecting tax (beyond VAT upon purchase), because there's not much harm in someone having an expensive vehicle as decoration or collector's piece.
    In fact i wish more people would do that, rather than actually driving the vehicles around on a daily basis.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The F350 is the smallest vehicle where they charge by weight. Unfortunately they don't check for how much you use it, so for the 6 times a year I use mine I'm paying $.10/mile - while someone else who uses it for hauling as a job is paying $.01/mile.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    If they’re EVs they’re heavier, causing more road wear, and don’t pay gas taxes

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Except in NJ where you get raked over the coals for your yearly car tax… errr… “registration”.

    It’s the damnest thing; they seem to lose my vehicle registration every year but my marriage registration is good indefinitely.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    I just think they should cost more, be taxed more, and be forbidden to park in certain areas.

    This won't help with rich assholes who want to drive around an F-950 or whatever, but will make groceries more expensive.

    What really needs to happen is to mandate a special license to drive anything over like 2500 kg, and only be able to register it to a business with a valid use-case. To get a "small car" license (B-type), you have to pass an easy theory exam and drive around a tiny sedan around a city for 30 minutes (at least in europe). Trucks have different driving characteristics and are way more dangerous, so the driving tests should be way more difficult too.

    Also, maybe this?

    Oh, also, ban private cars in cities. Like, completely. Cars are so dangerous that their amount in populated areas needs to be kept to an absolute minimum.

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