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[–] 88 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Android apps:

The free features are now removed. Watch a video before you can send texts for a week.

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  • [+] 83 points 1 year ago (14 children)
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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    When I bought my last laptop I specifically looked for alternatives to Nvidia. If you want a dGPU on a laptop, there's almost nothing else than Nvidia.

    There were like 4 laptops with AMD dGPU. All of them were priced about 2x what a comparable Nvidia laptop was priced and pretty much all of them have terrible ratings due to being made by Acer.

    The only other option is Framework, and they want 3x what the Nvidia 4070 laptop cost that I ended up getting.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Yeah that is me 😒 it's not a fun existence, bought my laptop when I still used windows and don't have the money to get one without Nvidia GPU. It is working (right now), but I just got over having to nuke my install because trying to fix issues with it recently caused issues with other drivers for some reason.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Can anyone share the state of modern Nvidia cards on linux nowadays? I was looking into building a more modern gaming/rendering rig and AMD GPUs are way more expensive than Nvidia here. Reddit provides contradictory information.

    Ideally I'm interested in how well the 5000 series works on Wayland setups in normal distros like debian.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I am able to get mine running on Kubuntu. I have a Lenovo legion s7 slim laptop with a mobile 3060 GPU. I would not choose Nvidia if I could (can't afford to replace my laptop), but it is possible in theory to get them working, just finicky. From my understanding it has become a lot better in recent history though. Nvidia says the latest drivers (I think the version is like 580) is compatible with pretty much all modern Nividia GPUs (so like 3xxx series and up).

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    That is the same with nvidia drivers on windows nowadays. They keep pushing updates that just break shit.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    When I got the latest kernel on my Arch laptop, the touchpad didn't work for a month (luckily it was fixed by installing the LTS kernel)

    But I like to stay on the bleeding edge, otherwise I would have chosen Debian

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  • [–] 70 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Huh, never had to pay for a Mac update.

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  • [–] 52 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    That's because Apple hasn't charged for OSX/MacOS updates since 2013 with OSX 10.9

    Edit: I also don't think they were ever $99. I upgraded from 10.5 to 10.6 back in 2009 and I think it was only like $30, and they had to ship me a disc with the update so it's not like they didn't have any overhead they had to pay for

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    They were more expensive in the early 2000s.

    See, for example, this MacRumors thread from 2003 entitled β€œMac OS X 10.3 Panther. Why Is it still $129?”

    Jaguar (10.2) was also $129 in 2002.

    10.1 was free.

    Going up from 2003,

    • 10.4 Tiger was $129 in 2005
    • 10.5 Leopard was $129 in 2007
    • 10.6 Snow Leopard was $29 in 2009
    • 10.7 Lion was $29 in 2011
    • 10.8 Mountain Lion was $29 in 2012
    • 10.9 Mavericks was a free update in 2013
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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Ah! Shoulda done more research, my bad. My first MacBook came with Leopard on it and I eventually upgraded it to Snow Leopard. I think that computer eventually died before I could upgrade it any further than that

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    I bought my first MacBook in '07, which came with Tiger installed. A couple of months later they released Leopard for Β£130, or free if you bought your Mac within the last month. So I contacted them and asked whether I'd had mine too long to get the free update. They said I had, but that they'd send me the disc for the cost of postage anyway.

    So I paid Β£5 for Leopard.

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  • [–] 225 points 1 year ago (67 children)

    macOS updates haven't cost money since 2009

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  • [–] 52 points 1 year ago (17 children)

    But... They did?! (Never had a mac)

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  • [–] 111 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    No, major OS releases used to cost money for a license. The same way a Windows 11 license costs money. Apple stopped charging for OS releases but Microsoft still does.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    But Lemmy assured me that Apple is BAD!

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    I know this is a joke. Apple is bad for some reasons and good for others. I think there are technologies where the bad clearly outweighs the good (e.g. anything Facebook/Meta). I don’t think Apple is as clear cut. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t put serious pressure (government regulation?) on them for the bad things. IMO Lemmy lacks the nuance for things that aren’t clear cut.

    Here’s an example. Apple laptops are insanely well built +1 points. Apple silicon delivers incredible battery life and performance, and has pushed ARM into the mainstream +1. Apple locks down software and hardware too much -1. Apples labor practices -1. I would love to see better Linux support for Apple silicon (I think it’s exists, but idk how well it works).

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I would love to see better Linux support for Apple silicon (I think it’s exists, but idk how well it works).

    There's not much demand for that as it's generally a tad more expensive than similar hardware from other manufacturers, so usually makes more sense to get more open hardware for using with Linux.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I feel like I’m this weird combination where I love the design of their products - are there other aluminum laptops that are as sleek as Apple? But on the other hand, I also think something modular like framework would be sick. I guess that’s the issue is you can’t have the sleek fully aluminum design and have it be modular/repairable. But I will say this, my M2 Max MacBook Pro has been a beast for 2 years, and it shows no signs of slowing down.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    MacOS never had licenses, owning a mac was the license because you couldn't run it on non-apple hardware* until they switched to Intel. I got OS8 from a copy of MacAddict.

    * not counting Gil Amelio's ill-fated hardware mac clone program

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Every 10.x version of OS X cost money up through 10.6, just like how every version of Windows has cost money unless you use one of the keygens Microsoft doesn't care about.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    7.1 was the first MacOS that apple charged for, nominally to cover the cost of the CDs. 7.1, 7.5 and 7.6 all cost $29, but you could get free installers from many of the Mac magazines.

    8.0, 8.5 and 9.0 were $99

    10.0 was $129

    10.1 was free, but a lot of stores charged a handling fee. I remember picking up my copy from CompUSA for ten cents.

    10.2 - 10.5 were $130 upgrades, but there were numerous ways to get it for free. I don't think I ever actually paid for any of them.

    10.6 and 10.7 were both $30

    10.8 was $20

    10.9 and later were all free

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    They used to charge for the OS, which was changed/updated every year 2 years to a new version. I remember prices around 20-30, so it was still cheaper than windows

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It wasn't updated every year. Major paid versions came out every 2 years or so. They became free when they started updating major versions annually

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Thanks, I didn’t remember exactly

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  • Yeah, the first Mac I bought I only ever bought Snow Leopard as an upgrade, skipped other versions and then upgraded to Mountain Lion or whatever was the first free version. That's basically 30ish spent over the entire almost 20 years I've been using Macs on actual software.

    The comic is kind of dumb because it's Microsoft who've typically made tons of money on software licenses, everyone knows that Apple makes their money on hardware.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Oh God yes. I used a Mac for work back in the day and it seriously had everything it needed to get me to dump all other operating systems (it was basically Unix with a cohesive user interface), but they couldn't stop stepping on their own dicks at every turn.
    First they charged constantly for minor updates by calling them major revisions. And then they would come out with software fixes to programs and call that a major update and force you to pay an upgrade fee... except that "new version" required the new OS. And once you paid to update the program and the Os, you would find that several other programs you needed no longer fucking worked because you were running a version of the os that the software didn't support when it was built (because it didn't exist yet). At that point you got to roll the dice and see if the company that made that software was still around and bothered to update their software.
    I loved that it never suffered from bit-rot like MS, but once you got a work flow working on it you didn't dare ever change anything on that machine again.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Except they are tied to hardware so eventually you get no updates at all

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago

    Yes and no.

    First, because they always discontinue/remove/change APIs and stuff, apps need to be constantly updated (= pay subscription or buy new version every 2-3 years). You can't just use something from 2008.

    Second, because they set arbitrary minimum requirements, the average life of a Mac is in average 7 years from launch, then it stops getting updates.

    Which means: $1200 for the laptop - $500 inflated resale value even after 7 years = $700/7 = $100 yearly "subscription" to use the latest version of MacOS

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  • [+] -10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (38 children)

    And I like Windows Updates. They do actually add new features now.

    Don't understand why updates annoy people so much. Probably because they leave their PC running for days and keep putting them off until Windows literally forces you to restart your machine. But if you're a normal person who shuts down their PC on a regular basis, the updates literally never bother you. They quietly download in the background and then install the next time you go to shut down your machine. You don't even have to think about it.

    Edit: If ads and AI are the reason why you hate Windows updates, consider installing O&O Shut Up 10 (it works in Win11 too). Or just switch to Linux.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    They annoy me because Microsoft keeps cramming their updates full of invasive spyware/adware and β€œai” features that I don’t want and have to jump through hoops to disable

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    O&O Shut Up 10 is the solution you're looking for. Don't like a new feature in Windows 11? Turn it off with a toggle switch.

    Also consider MSEdgeRedirect to force Windows to open everything in your default browser instead of Edge, and StartAllBack to fully restore Start Menu functionality.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Imagine having to run three separate third-party applications just to stop your OS vendor from stealing your information, selling your data to third parties, removing control of your machine, and otherwise just pissing you off.

    This post brought to you by GNU/Linux gang

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  • [+] -7 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Imagine having to run dozens of separate modules just to get Linux to work.

    It's your OS; you're allowed to customize it with 3rd party tools as you see fit. What a strange hill to die on.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    then I have to spend time undoing those shitty new bloated features, reset default applications. too much useless ai bloat too.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    This keeps coming up a lot, so see my edit. There are no ads or AI in my copy of Windows 11.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (7 children)

    I use: https://github.com/ChrisTitusTech/winutil but it’s still extra work we shouldn’t be forced to endure

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    also I use Linux, I just game on a windows partition

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    primarily path of exile and all the accompanying third party applications that seem to only exist on windows.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    I play PoE too! Works great on Linux, and I run PoB through Bottles.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    ooooOOOO how’s the game run on linux? does awakened trade work? also any macro for mouse scroll to click? (I somewhat refuse to spam click anymore lol)

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I only play SSF, so not too sure about awakened trade, but looks like there is an up to date build for Linux. I've never played PoE on Windows, but runs extremely smooth on Linux. For application specific remapping you can use tools like xremap.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It used to annoy me because it would show me screens after updating asking if I want to enable targeted ads, buy office 365 or send MS my location data.

    Used to only happen after installing Windows but then then made it after every update…

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    But if you're a normal person who shuts down their PC on a regular basis, the updates literally *never* bother you

    That's just not true. I never had a habit of having my pc run 24/7, and windows updates bothered me immensely since win 7

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    Do you have a habit of closing the update notifications? The more you tell Windows Update to fuck off, the more it'll bother you. I literally never get those notifications anymore because I stopped ignoring them. It also helps to manually set your active hours if you haven't already.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I just don't trust major updates not to break something (with good reasons). I have to have a working pc, so I update when I have half an hour of free time to install and roll back if need be.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    "there you go" as in "thank you for explaining why a forced unexpected update from your os in the middle of your work could bother you"?

    you're welcome

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I haven't paid attention to what changes between updates. What kind of features do they add?

    Probably because they leave their PC running for days and keep putting them off until Windows literally forces you to restart

    I mean, that's a legitimate way of using your computer. I'm sure you can see how that's incredibly annoying.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (6 children)

    Wait, why are "normal" persons shutting down their computer on a regular basis? I tend to avoid shutting down because restarts are a tad tedious.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

    It wastes electricity and heats up your house (so the A/C runs more often). Leaving my PC running 24/7 would cost me an extra $20-30/mo, for example, mostly from the A/C running all the time to keep the office cool.

    If you have a proper NVME drive, boot times are a non-issue. Even if you're still rocking a SATA drive, there's always Sleep mode.

    Honestly, there's no real reason to leave your PC running all the time, unless you're mining crypto, running a server/lab, or donating processing power to university research, and electricity is free for you. But even then you should be considerate and give your parents a break on their power bill.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Thanks, I see your point. My computers are usually doing something (running servers, long-running computations, backups, downloads, etc) or they are sleeping (ie, not running up the power bill). Boot time isn't the tedious part of restarting, it's restoring state that isn't saved. Anyway, I always disable auto-updates because updates change things; I want to choose when things change.

    I'm surprised your PC runs hot enough to cost you so much for A/C. I doubt my computers impact my power bill very much compared to appliances, heating, charging cars, etc.

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  • [+] -15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    That's right, instead they moved them to service subscriptions which people pay for instead and then forget about. Evil

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    No. The OS license comes with the hardware that is bought. If your hardware supports the OS, you get the updates for free. There is no subscription needed to keep a Mac up to date.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    Also Linux: oh good. Maybe it’ll fix this issue so I don’t have to lol

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    Me, a Debian user: "Wow, been 5 years already? Cool beans"

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  • [–] 41 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    MacOS updates don't cost money. They're also completely optional (even security updates) and major OS versions introduce new features.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    I think this comic is more about the feeling of it. I certainly feel like my work-issued iphone gets more and more bogged-down with every major update, with less and less room for apps and media. It certainly feels like the only reason for the bloat is to goad me into buying cloud storage and/or a new model.

    And just to be clear, I'm not hating on apple. Given the predatory nature of late-stage capitalism, apple is probably the least-shitty of the IT megacorps.

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