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[–] 225 points 1 year ago (67 children)

macOS updates haven't cost money since 2009

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    They annoy me because Microsoft keeps cramming their updates full of invasive spyware/adware and “ai” features that I don’t want and have to jump through hoops to disable

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Imagine having to run three separate third-party applications just to stop your OS vendor from stealing your information, selling your data to third parties, removing control of your machine, and otherwise just pissing you off.

    This post brought to you by GNU/Linux gang

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    then I have to spend time undoing those shitty new bloated features, reset default applications. too much useless ai bloat too.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (7 children)

    I use: https://github.com/ChrisTitusTech/winutil but it’s still extra work we shouldn’t be forced to endure

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    also I use Linux, I just game on a windows partition

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    primarily path of exile and all the accompanying third party applications that seem to only exist on windows.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    I play PoE too! Works great on Linux, and I run PoB through Bottles.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    ooooOOOO how’s the game run on linux? does awakened trade work? also any macro for mouse scroll to click? (I somewhat refuse to spam click anymore lol)

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I only play SSF, so not too sure about awakened trade, but looks like there is an up to date build for Linux. I've never played PoE on Windows, but runs extremely smooth on Linux. For application specific remapping you can use tools like xremap.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It used to annoy me because it would show me screens after updating asking if I want to enable targeted ads, buy office 365 or send MS my location data.

    Used to only happen after installing Windows but then then made it after every update…

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    But if you're a normal person who shuts down their PC on a regular basis, the updates literally *never* bother you

    That's just not true. I never had a habit of having my pc run 24/7, and windows updates bothered me immensely since win 7

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I just don't trust major updates not to break something (with good reasons). I have to have a working pc, so I update when I have half an hour of free time to install and roll back if need be.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    "there you go" as in "thank you for explaining why a forced unexpected update from your os in the middle of your work could bother you"?

    you're welcome

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I haven't paid attention to what changes between updates. What kind of features do they add?

    Probably because they leave their PC running for days and keep putting them off until Windows literally forces you to restart

    I mean, that's a legitimate way of using your computer. I'm sure you can see how that's incredibly annoying.

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  • [–] 52 points 1 year ago (17 children)

    But... They did?! (Never had a mac)

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  • [–] 111 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    No, major OS releases used to cost money for a license. The same way a Windows 11 license costs money. Apple stopped charging for OS releases but Microsoft still does.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    But Lemmy assured me that Apple is BAD!

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    I know this is a joke. Apple is bad for some reasons and good for others. I think there are technologies where the bad clearly outweighs the good (e.g. anything Facebook/Meta). I don’t think Apple is as clear cut. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t put serious pressure (government regulation?) on them for the bad things. IMO Lemmy lacks the nuance for things that aren’t clear cut.

    Here’s an example. Apple laptops are insanely well built +1 points. Apple silicon delivers incredible battery life and performance, and has pushed ARM into the mainstream +1. Apple locks down software and hardware too much -1. Apples labor practices -1. I would love to see better Linux support for Apple silicon (I think it’s exists, but idk how well it works).

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I would love to see better Linux support for Apple silicon (I think it’s exists, but idk how well it works).

    There's not much demand for that as it's generally a tad more expensive than similar hardware from other manufacturers, so usually makes more sense to get more open hardware for using with Linux.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I feel like I’m this weird combination where I love the design of their products - are there other aluminum laptops that are as sleek as Apple? But on the other hand, I also think something modular like framework would be sick. I guess that’s the issue is you can’t have the sleek fully aluminum design and have it be modular/repairable. But I will say this, my M2 Max MacBook Pro has been a beast for 2 years, and it shows no signs of slowing down.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    MacOS never had licenses, owning a mac was the license because you couldn't run it on non-apple hardware* until they switched to Intel. I got OS8 from a copy of MacAddict.

    * not counting Gil Amelio's ill-fated hardware mac clone program

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Every 10.x version of OS X cost money up through 10.6, just like how every version of Windows has cost money unless you use one of the keygens Microsoft doesn't care about.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    7.1 was the first MacOS that apple charged for, nominally to cover the cost of the CDs. 7.1, 7.5 and 7.6 all cost $29, but you could get free installers from many of the Mac magazines.

    8.0, 8.5 and 9.0 were $99

    10.0 was $129

    10.1 was free, but a lot of stores charged a handling fee. I remember picking up my copy from CompUSA for ten cents.

    10.2 - 10.5 were $130 upgrades, but there were numerous ways to get it for free. I don't think I ever actually paid for any of them.

    10.6 and 10.7 were both $30

    10.8 was $20

    10.9 and later were all free

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    They used to charge for the OS, which was changed/updated every year 2 years to a new version. I remember prices around 20-30, so it was still cheaper than windows

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It wasn't updated every year. Major paid versions came out every 2 years or so. They became free when they started updating major versions annually

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Thanks, I didn’t remember exactly

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Yeah, the first Mac I bought I only ever bought Snow Leopard as an upgrade, skipped other versions and then upgraded to Mountain Lion or whatever was the first free version. That's basically 30ish spent over the entire almost 20 years I've been using Macs on actual software.

    The comic is kind of dumb because it's Microsoft who've typically made tons of money on software licenses, everyone knows that Apple makes their money on hardware.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Oh God yes. I used a Mac for work back in the day and it seriously had everything it needed to get me to dump all other operating systems (it was basically Unix with a cohesive user interface), but they couldn't stop stepping on their own dicks at every turn.
    First they charged constantly for minor updates by calling them major revisions. And then they would come out with software fixes to programs and call that a major update and force you to pay an upgrade fee... except that "new version" required the new OS. And once you paid to update the program and the Os, you would find that several other programs you needed no longer fucking worked because you were running a version of the os that the software didn't support when it was built (because it didn't exist yet). At that point you got to roll the dice and see if the company that made that software was still around and bothered to update their software.
    I loved that it never suffered from bit-rot like MS, but once you got a work flow working on it you didn't dare ever change anything on that machine again.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    No. The OS license comes with the hardware that is bought. If your hardware supports the OS, you get the updates for free. There is no subscription needed to keep a Mac up to date.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Thanks, I see your point. My computers are usually doing something (running servers, long-running computations, backups, downloads, etc) or they are sleeping (ie, not running up the power bill). Boot time isn't the tedious part of restarting, it's restoring state that isn't saved. Anyway, I always disable auto-updates because updates change things; I want to choose when things change.

    I'm surprised your PC runs hot enough to cost you so much for A/C. I doubt my computers impact my power bill very much compared to appliances, heating, charging cars, etc.

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