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[–] 72 points 23 hours ago (1 child)

Hmmm, perhaps those DOGE cuts to the FAA and DOT (among others) were not the bargain they seemed, especially considering it didn't resolve the budgetary/national debt issues. I don't want to sound accusatory, but it's starting to appear as if they might have been for some other purpose.

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  • [–] 54 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    "We should talk to our senators and our members of Congress to say 'we don't deserve this, America,'" Duffy said. "This is the greatest country — by the way, with the greatest president — let's give the money to fix this very real problem."

    LOL "greatest country" who can't even keep planes in the air, and "greatest president" racking up 40+Trillion national debt and made the entire country vote against him

    fucking incompetent losers. they'll do nothing, and then blame obama, biden, tEh GaYs for all the damage they caused

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  • [–] 9 points 18 hours ago

    to fix this very real problem

    Why say it’s “real” like that? Is that a liar’s tell? Is he convincing himself?

    How about we get an actual investigative report first you fucking weirdos. Funny how they need $50BB BEFORE the next congress is seated

    GUESS WHY

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  • [–] 41 points 20 hours ago

    Take it out of the ICE budget.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 hours ago

    This guy voted against the 2021 infrastructure bill that included money to modernize the air traffic control system.

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  • [–] 9 points 17 hours ago

    Where'd the data come from, Sean Duffy? Be VERY specific.

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  • [–] 8 points 13 hours ago

    we fucked it up and want a bigger budget to keep fucking it up worse.

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  • [–] 15 points 17 hours ago*

    You know how AI is demanding all this compute hardware? You know how AI can do things superhumanly fast? Welp, all those AI agents running around are taxing the network infrastructure, not just bandwidth but also endpoints and servers. If we're going to have AI agents "force multiplying" humans 10x and more, they're likely to be using 20 to 100x as much computer/network resources to do those superhuman fast jobs.

    In other words: the AI server datacenters are just the beginning - once AI really starts doing human-type work, the digital systems that are currently serving humans are going to be crushed under the tsunami of AI users. The increased demands for RAM and processor chips and datacenter space and electricity associated with AI are only just beginning.

    The FAA may actually understand this, now that their SMART system has blown out their infrastructure capacity.

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  • [–] 7 points 14 hours ago

    $50B? No problem. We'll just need an itemized list of expenses that accounts for every penny.

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  • [–] 3 points 17 hours ago

    Lying thieves.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 hours ago

    Former Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg [explained] that “the system has many redundancies in it, so that normally, if there’s one point of failure, something else can catch it...it is not clear to me why that redundancy did not prevent an outage of this magnitude -- sabee on Twitter

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    [–] 118 points 1 day ago (13 children)

    The officials said they have seen no evidence that the failure was caused by a cyberattack or system failures linked to artificial intelligence, but added that they are still investigating the precise cause of the outage.

    If they don't know the cause of the outage, how can they say $50 billion will fix it?

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  • [–] 31 points 1 day ago* (6 children)

    Guess how much they were defunded by dump

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  • [–] 15 points 1 day ago (5 children)

    Civil aviation infrastructure has been tragically underfunded for decades. Maybe it kicked off when Reagan fired striking air traffic controllers, but a recent article was talking about how a lot of control towers still run off floppy disks.

    But maybe that's also partially explained by "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" and tried-and-true is worth more than the latest technology. I mean, jeez, imagine if two planes collided because Windows 11 insisted on installing an update...

    Sure, Trump's probably been the worst of the lot since he's a Russian plant out to destroy the country by all means possible, but he's only the head of the pack.

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  • [–] 18 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

    The floppy disk thing is 100% because they had a system which worked, and replacing it would be difficult and expensive to do properly and safely.

    Air traffic control has to be designed and built just as carefully as the aircraft themselves, and if a mistake is made it could kill hundreds of people. In that kind of environment, "if it ain't broke" is a really strong argument.

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  • [–] 13 points 22 hours ago* (2 children)

    The floppy disk thing is 100% because they had a system which worked, and replacing it would be difficult and expensive to do properly and safely.

    A thumb drive with an emulator of the floppy protocol would be dirt-cheap, and almost certainly more reliable, since floppies are among the shittiest storage media that exist. This is instead the result of deliberate resource starvation and consequent accumulation of decades of technical debt.

    Air traffic control has to be designed and built just as carefully as the aircraft themselves

    Should be. I worked on ATC systems for over a decade in an earlier phase of my career. Your assertion is only true if the aircraft you're referring to are DC10s. The languages used, the methodologies used, the protocols, and the hardware and comms systems were no better engineered than anything else from that era. The big difference is process: they test the hell out of those systems before deployment, and build in several layers of redundancy and failover capability. They also regression test any new software releases to an extreme degree, give major attention to rollback, and extensively test that too. And that's also what drives up the cost of such systems.

    At least, that's what they used to do, and are supposed to do now.

    In this case, my guess is that Trump and/or DOGE have cut the staff that did that validation, or may havereplaced them with engineers who didn't know dick about safety-critical systems. This also may be another case of sabotaging an agency to create a pretext for its privatization.

    Also, if they were trying to fit LLM-based AI into the ATC system, the people responsible for that decision should be jailed for life. LLMs are inherently unfit to be used in any decision affection people's lives, health or livelihoods. If it's ML, there are some cases where that might be OK, subject to the rigorous testing and process controls I've already mentioned.

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  • [–] 10 points 19 hours ago* (1 child)

    A couple of facts I can give you, interpolate what you will:

    The FAA comms network has been in place since 2013. Those routers were working fine yesterday.

    AI gets released, routers no work anymore.

    The AI SMART system does not "do" anything, it makes recommendations to ATCs.

    My pretty well-informed opinions:

    The AI system most likely uses the comm network to distribute those reccos.

    It was probably overloaded, with cascading impacts.

    Edit: Oh look, I was right. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_FAA_ground_stop

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  • [–] 6 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

    The description sounded exactly like a DDoS.

    It could also be Ai bullshit though.

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  • [–] [S] 75 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

    Bitch, what party controlled both houses, the presidency, and the Supreme Court the past two years?

    Seems that they admitted they royaly screwed up a AI rollout.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

    It's embarrassing how obvious it was. It felt like I was back in high school listening to someone read a book report on a book they never read. The "it's not the new stuff. It's the old stuff" from the white house press briefing.

    Dude. They essentially plugged in 100 hair dryers, turned them on at full heat, and then complained that the wiring in the house was old when the circuit breaker tripped. "It's not the hair dryers fault!"

    "All the SI smart system does is send information"

    "The outage was caused by the servers being flooded with too much data"

    "They aren't connected in anyway"

    They fucking ddosed themselves dude. You can't make this shit up.

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  • [–] 75 points 1 day ago

    They came up with that number pretty quick.

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  • [–] 55 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    My primary concern is that this money is likely to be given out to no-bid contractors with personal ties to the administration officials handing them out.

    The upgrades are actually necessary.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 day ago*

    I don't know. As someone that has worked for Cisco and Microsoft on both routing/switching and cloud/datacenters. I really would put my trust in a system that has been running perfectly fine for decades over anything these companies want to replace it with. There isn't really any company in the US that doesn't have ties to this administrations corruption.

    The entire tech industry needs to be gutted and the criminals in it need to be rotting in prison before id trust anything to be done right.

    I agree our infrastructure needs to be maintained and upgraded. But, holy shit, the flight industry does not need AI. It needs a massive jobs program funded by the government for training.

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  • [–] 43 points 1 day ago

    They sabotaged it with the new SMART ai systems, then demanded 50B to invest into the AI bubble. They were asking for 30B just before this happened. Shit is so fucked.

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  • [–] 36 points 23 hours ago (7 children)

    Mmmmmmm I call bullshit. That’s just not how “old routers and switches” work. You don’t get thousands of them simply failing all at once unless there is some sort of systemic change, or a step-function jump in traffic. And they just fucking admitted that’s exactly what happened.

    TL;DR: this was just fuckwitted DOGE wunderkind intern idiocy-level antics, which is par for the course for the regime.

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  • [–] 6 points 16 hours ago (1 child)

    I love it. I guess we got "generational change" the conservative way.

    Did assholes like Vought enable teenagers and twenty-somethings idiots who claim they "know how to code" (I don't believe even that, though) to fuck with our ATC, too?

    JFC. Why does everything have to be so goddamned stupid? We get something like huge powerful LLMs at the same time fuckwits voted in a disaster like donnie and the Project 2025 nuts and they use all these tools in the stupidest possible way - let people with zero experience and zero wisdom loose on our nation.

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  • [–] 2 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

    That link takes me too a different reel every time.

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  • [–] 36 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    "We should talk to our senators and our members of Congress to say 'we don't deserve this, America,'" Duffy said. "This is the greatest country — by the way, with the greatest president — let's give the money to fix this very real problem."

    Under no circumstance should we allow Duffy access to any money. This guy is obviously delusional

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  • [–] 36 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    Upgrading the nation’s flight control system, 2 weeks before America’s biggest travel season, to an AI solution backed by a Real World: Season 6 cast member.

    What could possibly go wrong?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 day ago

    Well, I'm thinking that another pandemic isn't out of the question. Imagine being stranded in a crowded airport, waiting some unknown amount of time, surrounded by a variety of petri dishes, sleeping on the floor, and then finally getting to go home but carrying a super virus back with you. Or maybe it hits while people are still in the airports.

    The news probably wouldn't really hit the national level until after the new Congress gets sworn in on Jan 3rd, so stupid motherfuckers will insist that it's them durn dumocratses faults. Despite the RFK Jr of it all.

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  • [–] 30 points 19 hours ago (1 child)

    Funny as Buttigieg spent less and kept things going while stymied by a Republican House. Duffy had carte blanche and a huge amount more funding and still managed to blame the past.

    Buttigieg: Got $5 billion for air traffic control in the 2021 infrastructure law and had spent about $3 billion of it by the end of FY2024 (towers, power and comms gear, controller hiring), while his $9 billion facility replacement and radar modernization request went unfunded.

    Duffy: Got $12.5 billion appropriated in July 2025 as the first tranche of a $31.5 billion "brand new" system he says finishes by the end of 2028, and is now back asking for $30 billion more through the Modern Skies Act, on top of the $50 billion request.

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  • [–] 26 points 16 hours ago (1 child)

    Oh look, more Republican theft! Any bets on which relation of his owns the company that will get the $50B contract?

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  • [–] 25 points 23 hours ago (1 child)

    DOGE cuts everything to save money. Now they ask for more than ever to fix it

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  • [–] 23 points 16 hours ago (1 child)

    More no-bid contracts given to unqualified people and have more problems. This is what you get each time with maga so don't go back to them again.

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  • [–] 5 points 15 hours ago

    Thats not true at all and you know it.

    Those no bid contracts are going to real qualified people who can stomach being around Eric or Don Jr for more than a few hours and put up with the smell from Donny when they meet him. Being able to put up with that smell, and his idiot kids at thr same time and not slit your own wrists has to be some kind of qualification.

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  • [–] 21 points 21 hours ago (1 child)

    I'd bet that the new AI system wasn't set to rate limit and ate up all their bandwidth. If you've had to work with some of these types of systems from the networking side, you see how much data they try to suck in. I've heard of Palantir using an entire months bandwidth cap at a remote site in a day.

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  • [–] 18 points 17 hours ago (1 child)

    Done!

    -Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer!

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  • [–] 18 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

    Ah...so it was nothing more than another indirect trump shakedown. Makes sense now.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 day ago

    So... it was the new AI system and they want another excuse to hand $50B to corrupt toadies with no-bid contracts. I was ready to not blame the new system, given that it was supposed to be limited in scope, but his dodge on the question says an awful lot.

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  • [–] 16 points 11 hours ago

    Hm, right there in Project 2025:

    Require the FAA to operate more like a business. The FAA has not made good use of the unique authority it has been given in areas like personnel and acquisition.

    Ronnie Raygun had it wrong. The scariest words in the English language are "make $GOVERNMENT_AGENCY operate more like a business".

    NO. Fuck no.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 day ago

    Why doesn't he take it from ice?

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  • [–] 15 points 1 day ago

    Take it from ICE.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 day ago* (1 child)

    Don't worry folks, The Real World: Boston's Sean Duffy promises he's going to fix what he broke and it's only going to cost us $50 billion. JFC.

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  • [–] 11 points 21 hours ago

    Every penny given in response to this request will go directly into the pockets of conservatives in charge. They've already stolen untold billions from taxpayers and they know the spigot will be turned off soon. Expect conservatives to demand money "to fix what Hillary/Obama/Biden broke" everytime their shitshow craps out another disaster.

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  • [–] 10 points 13 hours ago

    I’m sure it had nothing to do with rolling out your AI start ups shitty software onto the aging system. A system that never had an outage like this in decades. Just a weird coincidence. 🙄

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  • [–] 8 points 11 hours ago

    Once again, America is learning tyranny is partially about the malevolence and corruption, but mostly about the incompetence.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 hours ago

    Take it from DHS.

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    Crumbling infrastructure. Looking forward to Post-American America.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago

    Best I can do is bomb palestinian hospitals

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  • [–] 7 points 10 hours ago (1 child)

    50 BILLION!? Like with a "B"? The highest end 24 port switch and router is around $500 and $300 respectively. Let's just round that up to $1000 each to make it wven more expensive. Plus $1000 to do the install work for those two devices (which would be highway robbery). Let's say every single airport needs 100 each of these switch and router sets, which is also a ridiculous number. That is $200,000 per airport of were are overstocking and overpaying for routers and switches. For $1 Billion, then, you could fully supply and install 100 sets of brand new switches and routers to 5000 airports. There are only 3287 airports under the FAA's National Plan flof Integrate Airport Systems. So let's say the other 1713 airports worth is used in military airports, even though that is outside the FAA preview. So... where is the other $49 Billion going!?

    That is such a ridiculously huge unrealistic number. There is no way that, if granted, this will just be used to line the pockets of some Billionaire donor(s) or friend of Duffy and/or Trump.

    NOTE: My wife, who supplies technology needs to law firms for a living said that she might actually estimate the cost to upgrade routers and switches per airport at 500,000 each due to square footage. And maybe double that if they're upgrading dedicated internet circuits too. So her absolutely highest dollar is $1 million per airport. That's still only $3.3 billion. $46.7 billion still unaccounted for.

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  • [–] 3 points 22 hours ago

    Why do I get the feeling one of the chuds fell victim to a ransomware attack and the 50 billion is to turn it back on?

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  • [–] 2 points 4 hours ago

    Am I the only person who noticed this fucking jackass blaming it all on old analog hardware and subsequently explaining that this went South because data centers were overloaded?

    What a fucking idiot!

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    Busted fault somehow incoming…

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