Knowing Nintendo, we're gonna see the most fucked up respond from them to this fucked up AI shit.
And i'm running out of popcorn.
Knowing Nintendo, we're gonna see the most fucked up respond from them to this fucked up AI shit.
And i'm running out of popcorn.
I am backing up emulators, roms and recomp tools as long as they are available to the public.
I for one am very happy about this because OOT is one of my favorite games of all time and I really want to play the remake but I don't have a Switch 2, and I really don't want to fork over another $500+ on top of the thousands I've spent on the gaming hardware I already have just to play this, and maybe a handful of other Nintendo titles.
This for me, but with the new Fire Emblem. I've played almost every game in the series. But I can't justify $500 for a console for a single game, then pay whatever the going cost is now for the game ($60-80?), and then have all the inevitable DLC that actually raises the cost of the game to somewhere between $140-160 (most FE games since 3DS have DLC that nearly double the price of the game).
Oh, and if I pay $500 for that console, I have to pay a subscription fee if I do want to use internet features.
I hate Nintendo for their corporate practices, but at least up through the Switch, they actually make good games. And when people complain about their high price games, when you buy physical, that also means you can sell your games and get most of your money back from them. It's the attacks on fan projects, the DMCAs, the DLC, and paid internet subscription that made me lose any love for them. Almost every older Nintendo console was worth it, but not now (I had a Wii U, lmao). It's also incredibly frustrating in this day and age to be locked to a console when I might want to play things elsewhere.
Just admit you wanted to pirate it.
If Nintendo ported the game to PC I would gladly pay for it.
If Nintendo ported the game to PC I would gladly pay for it.
Me too. As Gaben said, piracy is mostly a service problem.
I don't know how much money they make selling hardware but they could just sell games overpriced for PC (to compensate for what they didn't earn selling hardware and store fees) and people will just buy.
The problem with that in Nintendo's mind is, its not worth it. They would sell more games for sure, but in Nintendo's mind the console becomes obsolete. But their entire business is around consoles and all the third party games they get the money from too. In order to sell their console to as many as possible, they need to have these blockbuster exclusives. In example this is why Microsoft is also going back to exclusives too, and Sony does less again.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of this. I only play on PC and doing piracy since decades. But from the business standpoint, I understand where they are coming from. Platform holders operate differently than third party devs / publishers.
Nintendo doesn't deserve money at this point. Its either nostalgia bait remakes or garbage new PokΓ©mon game
Who the fuck can afford a switch 2 right now
Fuck nintendo
It's a shame the company that isn't peddling AI is the target of this, but also fuck Nintendo and their $10 upgrades for Switch 1 games which is the sole reason I didn't buy a Switch 2.
So does the decompiled one work yet? I feel like i woildve seen more on this if it did. I will absolutely play it this way once it happens.
The NX2 decomp is currently inferior to the slopulators. Probably multiple decomps by now. Fritchii emulator fork is #1 right now but I think it's only for OOT. It's a fork of Lichii which is a fork of Eglantine which is a fork of Eden which is a fork of Yuzu. I think? My head hurts. Lmao. What's better or not changes every 6 hours.
I tried Fritchii last night after work and it's playable now. The only graphical bug I noticed was some corrupted text box background texture when an NPC is emphasizing something like the Deku Tree boss door combination 2-3-1. Shader stutter and pretty demanding on hardware but I usually stayed above 30FPS in the more graphically intensive areas. Indoors was usually 60fps. Fritchii can cap to 30 if the variable frame rate annoys you.
12th gen core i5 / Radeon 9070XT. I ran Fritchii through Faugus Launcher / Proton-GE because no Linux build. Some have appimages, some are on AUR like another fork called ichii. It's messy.
~~Video cutscenes desync audio on Radeon cards in all forks I've tried so far. ~~
Fritchii fixed desync.
If you're wondering where I'm following progress it's on the /r/decomps subreddit. Which is also posting all these Switch 2 slopulators.
Edit: the subreddit is already getting pressured to stop direct linking to github repos that are Switch 2 related. Nintendo big mad.
It works great but you need a very powerful computer. Was playing lots yesterday.
I've heard several reports that it does! I'm leaving the afternoon free today so I can try to set it up myself.
I doubt it. I've recently checked whether the Tekken 6 recomp/port for PC was any good, but framerates are abysmal, it's still effectively an emulated game.
I don't know if it's allowed in here, but I'd love to know what the site on the left is
It takes like 3 clicks to get OoT running on windows. Was playing yesterday and it works great.
Nintendo honestly deserves this. But I still think that majority of people are too lazy and this won't hurt sales much.
I mean, the reason it won't hurt sales is because piracy doesn't actually hurt sales, and studies have shown piracy can increase sales.
Basically, most people willing to pirate games weren't going to buy the games in the first place^[video games are a luxury item and especially with the economy seeming to trend down and game prices definitely shooting up a lot of people aren't going to have the means to afford playing], but there are going to be a percentage of converters who like the game enough to buy through official channels.
And there's a cultural currency that comes from being a popular piracy target, too, as that means more people (who have played it) are talking about the game and are likely to convince others to try it, which is going to bring in more customers. Basically what happened with Game of Thrones, when they (I think it was the director?) boasted about being the most-pirated show in the world. In that way, you can get sales out of people who never even purchased your product.
EDIT: fixed costumer typo
In this instance I am not so sure though. Nintendo is a hardware company first and foremost. A lot of people only buy their console for the exclusive games. A ton of PC gamers also had a switch 1. But this time, if the games work so easily on PC, I don't really see a lot of PC gamers picking up a switch 2.
I would have bought a switch 2 for OoT, but now I won't.
Honestly the only thing that would get me back to nintendo is if they made a 3ds successor of some sort where games were sold on cartridges coming in pretty boxes. The switch 2 has no purpose in my life now that everything is weeks away from running on a steam deck or macbook. Nintendo needs to go back to its roots.
Or they could cave and just put all their exclusive games on steam. People will buy out of convenience then.
Personally, I cut ties with Nintendo after what they did to Bowser (no, not that one (no, not that one)).
I won't launch into a rant no-one asked for but I think you'd be in the minority of pirates if this news is what changed your mind.
Yup. I bought the OG Switch for Breath of the Wild. Literally for that one game. Those big platform exclusives absolutely are system sellers and Nintendo are fully aware of the fact.
I do hate that as a strategy, because we don't live in a world any longer where platform exclusives should exist. All hardware is homogenous, and any platform locking is completely arbitrary.
We hope Nintendo will take this as a lesson to ditch platform exclusivity, but I'd bet anything they will draw the exact opposite conclusion and double down.
I won't be surprised if the next gen of Nintendo gaming is always-on streaming powered by cloud GPUs.
Nintendo could embrace what they do best which is creating hardware. I have a plethora of different controllers including a steam deck and my OG switch pro controller is still the best one.
My favourite console of all time is the "new" 3ds XL. They need to lean into the retro gaming wave that is happening rn.
My modded new 3ds xl has a broken top screen after a recent trip and it is almost impossible to repair. Parts not available. If they just made a good handheld again I would buy.
I get a lot of stuttering. Seems its constantly building shaders.
It won't. It never does.
I, for one, would have to spend a lot more than the $510 + tax I did for a Switch 2 and the game to get a computer that could run it well.
Gotta try the OOT remake to see how well it runs on my rig. Got Pokopia and Starfox running. No issues with Pokopia at all; Starfox has some artifacting in cutscenes and can't maintain a high FPS, but its adequately playable. Not sure what else even is there that isn't already officially ported or available on Switch 1 also.
I mean, it's always great to fuck with Nintendo, they are scum, buuut... I will proceed to not touch those things with a pole the diameter of the universe. Fuck this vibecoded trash.
I donβt think itβs vibe coded, though. Real people whoβve put work into emulator projects are going at it with a pair of pliers and a blowtorch.
But the βaiβ helped them get access to the console. Iβm assuming most,if not all, decompiles needed it bc of the speed which it was done. But you can use an emulator instead.
Itβs actually very interesting bc they didnβt even need root access. This pulls everything without decryption. No security keys are needed.
Modern Vintage Gamer put up a video yesterday talking about it, and the short version is that 90% of the work was already done by the Yuzu team. The Switch 2 still runs Horizon OS, still runs a Tegra architecture, so the majority of the work getting Switch 2 titles to run is in converting new instructions and stuff.
PC G*mers AI vibe coding an emulator for a game they claim to never have wanted.
It would be funny if it wasn't so sad
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