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[–] 132 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Oh my damn. I expected something expensive, but this is just way above what I expected.

The Graphene developers did say that future plans could entail even broader Motorola support from GrapheneOS, for cheaper models too. Let's hope this will be the case…

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  • [–] 74 points 2 days ago (18 children)

    Who are the customers for such a ridiculous thing?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 days ago (12 children)

    As someone whos grew up on iPhones this feels reasonable for a high end product…

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  • [–] 67 points 2 days ago (10 children)

    Reasonable is $900. Just because apple made a $2000 phone doesn't mean everyone does.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 days ago (8 children)

    I had a Nexus 4 for $300 way back when, and that was mighty premium enough. We're all getting screwed and there is no savior. The water has been boiling for over a decade.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 days ago (7 children)

    My current phone cost $500 and it's more than powerful & capable enough. Android sucks to use but other than that I have no idea why anyone would get anything more expensive unless they need some really good camera.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 days ago (6 children)

    Android does suck but is superior to iOS. If only linux was realistic on a phone.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 days ago (5 children)

    Jolla phone, with SailfishOS exists. Mine will be sent out soon!

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  • [–] 2 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    I am intrigued for sure, I want to try them out but none of my drawer phones suit it or postmarket.

    There a few limitations, banking, camera, car projection. But they are getting better.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 days ago

    Is it? It costs more than any (bar-style) iPhone. This is priced less than the Oppo X9 Ultra and Vivo X300 Ultra, similarly to the Samsung Galaxy S26 Ultra and the Xiaomi 17 Ultra, and priced more than the Apple iPhone 18 Pro Max and Google Pixel 11 Pro XL –the problem is the subsect of people who are happy paying this price and cares about privacy are abysmally minute.

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  • [+] -13 points 2 days ago (3 children)

    This is the normal cost of a new phone no? If I were buying an Iphone or a samsung i'd expect to pay around the same price.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 days ago

    Yeah the current high end Samsung galaxy ultra is about the same price in Australia.

    This is marginally more expensive than flagship phones, but it's not clear how performance will compare.

    I wonder how much of this higher price point is due to the lack of partnerships with companies like Google who will harvest information about you through the device.

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  • [–] 60 points 2 days ago (21 children)

    That's really out of my budget. I want a phone with graphene, but I can't take out a mortgage for it.

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  • [–] 32 points 2 days ago* (19 children)

    Get a used pixel 9a for 1/7 the cost, or a new pixel 10a for around 1/4 of the cost

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  • [–] 5 points 2 days ago (13 children)

    It's an option I'll seriously consider when it's time to change my device, but I'd also prefer a device where I don't have to manually change the operating system. I'm neither that much of an expert nor do I have time to spare.

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  • [–] 28 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    It is honestly pretty painless - unlock boot loader, attach device, give appropriate petmission on phone, run install from browser, verify install, lock boot loader.

    That said, a dedicated Grapheme device is so exciting. I am not going to spend ~2k on it tho

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  • [–] 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

    This is accurate. I've been flashing phones with custom ROMs for years now, and doing it through the browser makes it both dead easy and pretty safe. You no longer need to be a tech shaman to do it. Just follow the instructions and you're good.

    Also, if you don't like it, you can always go back to stock Android (i.e. what was installed before you started tinkering). It's pretty painless. So roll up your sleeves and explore!

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  • [–] 12 points 2 days ago (3 children)

    You have to press 3 buttons on their website ....

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  • [–] 0 points 2 days ago (2 children)

    Which only works if you use chrome. What is the overlap between gOS users and chrome users?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 days ago

    There is also an offline flasher? Like if you complain that it is too complex, get chromium, flash it with 3 buttons, remove chromium and be happy. If you are deep enough into everything, that you don't want to install chromium to flash your device, use the offline installer.

    How many Chromium users does GOS have? I don't know, but their default browser is Vanadium, which is a chromium browser....

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  • [–] 6 points 2 days ago (3 children)

    I would say that if installing GOS is too complicated for you, you don't really need it. De-googling, privacy and security take more effort than just owning a phone with some specific OS. Simply having GOS on your phone is meaningless if you don't know how to use it properly.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

    Simply having GOS on your phone is meaningless if you don't know how to use it properly.

    Removing spyware from the phone of a complete non-techie means that non-technie has a spyware-free phone.

    Sure, it won't solve every privacy or security concern, but it outright solves a fuck-ton of privacy and security concerns, regardless of how technical the user is.

    I've been handing GrapheneOS phones to young or elderly people in my life for several years, with very good results, compared to leaving them on iOS or stock malwared Android.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 days ago

    Typical user will still install WhatsApp, Instagram, Gmail and Facebook, give them all the permissions and willingly input all their data into them. I really don't see what the benefit of GOS is here. Setting up alternatives for all those apps is more complicated than installing GOS.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 days ago (4 children)

    Yeah until those are no longer supported and these expensive ass Motorolas are the only option BC Google is locking down newer models that won't be able to have GOS installed eventually.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    It's locking down newer models. Some models still have 6 years of updates ahead of them. It's a bit too early to start panicking about it.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 days ago

    Yes, I said they're slowly locking down the newer models. And yeah, older pixels still have some time. But is this crisis we are in gonna end by the time those pixels lose support or are these Motorolas going to be our only option. That's all I'm pointing out. Yeah, still a little early to panic but if how things have been lately, I think this is looking to be bad for the average person who doesn't have a lot of money. Over $2,000 USD is absolutely insane.

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  • [–] 49 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    I was really hoping to pay Motorola somewhere around $800-$1200 for a legit option for GrapheneOS that doesn't involve Google's hardware.

    But at $1600, I don't think I can justify that.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 days ago

    €1.900 is $2,133 in American, according to a quick Google ask.

    Agreed. Can't justify spending that on a phone. And unfortunately, many others will feel the same, which will result in low sales and it being declared a failure, putting another nail in the coffin for privacy focused consumer products.

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  • [–] 321 points 2 days ago (9 children)

    So it's going to fail and they're going to blame Graphene

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  • [–] 22 points 2 days ago (4 children)

    It doesn't release with graphene os so that would be stupid, it ships their android.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 days ago* (3 children)

    Not offering a pre-installed GrapheneOS version feels like a misstep. Plenty of people are aware of the brand for security and privacy, and would pay extra to have it pre-installed.

    Maybe we will see some re-sellers pop up, but I would prefer direct-from-manufacturer.

    Not to mention, they could get the keys right from day one and eliminate (Google's) "alternate OS is booting" boogieman screen.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    They aren't shipped with GrapheneOS because the developers of GrapheneOS explicitly don't want this. They dont want any possibility of some backdoor caused by the manufacturer to bring down their reputation.

    It not being shipped with GrapheneOS is on purpose.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

    Yes. I'm waiting for a chill fork of GrapheneOS. I love what the developers have accomplished. LineageOS seems close, but not quite there with features, last I checked.

    I was happy with decent default security and privacy in the past, and I could be, again, if it ever returns.

    I would be glad to purchase a device from a trusted party, who pre-installed public source code, on open hardware.

    I'll be very pleased if Framework ever releases a phone.

    And sure, most people, in general, are clueless, about most things. Point granted.

    But the people with a clue about today's brutal privacy situation want device that is reasonably assured to be respect their wishes, and not chained to the whim of some asshole CEO.

    Perfect is lovely. But good enough can still sell very well.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 days ago

    Not having it support tap to pay basically makes it a non starting for selling it.

    The amount of stupid selling a phone with out that feature, while the same phone other times it works basically would just cause endless problems.

    Yes people are that stupid

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  • [–] 63 points 2 days ago (2 children)

    At least the rumors that it'd be a foldable seem to be wrong.

    It's also initially launching with android 17. The article said that Graphene won't be ready for it until some time next year. I wonder if the devs are deliberately putting some separation between the hardware launch and OS availability so that they can avoid getting caught up in Motorola's corporate panic attack when this thing doesn't sell.

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  • [–] 45 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    I can't wait until the whole backside is cameras!

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  • [–] 82 points 2 days ago (5 children)

    Motherfuckers. I would have paid 1k - but that is ridiculous

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  • [–] 21 points 2 days ago (4 children)

    I have a pixel 10 with 16gb RAM. Nothing has made changing realistic and likely wont for awhile. I hate AI and only wantgOS and a decent camera.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 days ago (3 children)

    I just refuse to buy anything at these inflated hardware prices due to the AI pandemic.
    I'll just keep all my old tech... Someone is profiting and i'm not getting a better product for it.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

    Agreed. The worst is the components for self hosting and builfing your own gear is also caught in this. Raspberry Pi prices are crazy

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  • [–] 140 points 2 days ago (15 children)

    Personally, I already balked at the size of the screen (~6.8"). The ridiculous price is just the final nail in the coffin.

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  • [–] 125 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (11 children)

    Mini tablets were 7 inches.

    It's ridiculous; how am I meant to fit something half the size of my dick in my pocket?

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  • [–] 12 points 2 days ago (3 children)

    Wait, is this really the size of a nexus 7?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 days ago (4 children)

    Just let it hang and sway, let it out bro. This is 🦅 America 🇺🇸, bitches! gunfire, big macs showering from the sky, and jets flying over in formation

    (and if you don't live here then we can bring you some freedom too, and you too can let your freak flag fly)

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  • [–] 14 points 2 days ago (3 children)

    and if you don’t live here then we can bring you some freedom too

    No thanks. I live in a country freer than the US, you guys keep all that to yourselves.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 child)

    Yikes, I hadn't looked into the screen size until you mentioned it. They seem to be going after the XL / tablet size type of devices, exactly the ones that I avoid. Oh well, maybe they'll eventually release a phone with a more normal screen size closer to 6.3".

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  • [–] 107 points 2 days ago (3 children)

    I'd like to have one, but there's no fucking way a goddamned PHONE is worth $2000

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  • [–] 22 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    especially today, when updates are so miniscule, I'm in shock when I realize the pixel 7 I got refurbished still works fine, with zero reason to update.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 days ago

    Yep, been doing used pixels for a while now. They're all the same anyway. I don't care about the camera.

    My kids are dopes and constantly break screens so I'm not about to buy anything nice. We all have the same model and a spare. Broken, eBay screen, bring in the spare, fix the broken one, is now the spare.

    You'll get a new phone when it doesn't get updates anymore, then you'll just get the next one up.

    Spending more than $300 on a phone is nuts to me. They're all the same candy bar anyway.

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  • [–] 34 points 2 days ago

    Yeesh. Looks like I'll be on the used pixel ebay plan for a few more years.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 days ago

    Surely at that price point it is designed to last 8-10 years.

    What’s that, it has a glued-in 2 year lithium battery?

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  • [–] 27 points 2 days ago

    welp refurbished pixel it is then

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  • [–] 27 points 2 days ago (2 children)

    Article text below. No links, and definitely not their "198 data partners"

    With the Motorola Signature 27, the manufacturer pushes its lineup to new heights in terms of features. It is also the company’s first smartphone, alongside Google’s Pixel models, to support the custom ROM GrapheneOS. But buyers will have to dig deep for the device: at €1,900, it costs about €300 more than an iPhone 18 Pro Max and €100 more than an Oppo Find X10 Pro Max.

    AMOLED duo display

    For its hefty price, which may also be due to the memory crisis, the Signature 27 has a lot to offer. It features a 6.78-inch AMOLED duo display, which stacks two OLED panels on top of each other, much like Apple’s iPad Pro and the new MacBook Pro. This is supposed to improve light output and make the display shine up to twice as brightly as a single OLED panel. Another purported benefit of this arrangement is lower power consumption at lower brightness.

    Motorola says it offers 34% greater energy efficiency and a lifespan up to 121% longer than conventional OLEDs. Tandem or duo OLED displays are not an Apple invention; display technology companies have been working on them for years. Honor was the first manufacturer to put such a display in a phone, its flagship Magic6 RSR Porsche Design. Honor also charged around €1,900 for it.

    The 120-Hz screen is also said to deliver a peak brightness of 12,000 cd/m², a level not previously reached. For comparison, Oppo’s current Find X10 Pro Max peaks at 3,600 cd/m². We’ll see how the exceptionally high brightness in specific areas affects everyday use.

    Smaller battery in Germany

    The new Motorola flagship also packs Qualcomm’s latest top-tier chip, the Snapdragon 8 Elite Extreme Gen 6, which the chipmaker unveiled in late September. That makes it one of the first smartphones with the latest chip, though Xiaomi and other manufacturers will also introduce their models for the global market soon. The system-on-a-chip (SoC) is paired with 12 GB of LPDDR5X RAM, or optionally 16 GB of LPDDR5X RAM, and 256 or 512 GB of UFS 4.1 flash storage.

    The battery in the new Signature 27, which uses silicon-carbon anodes, has a capacity of 7,000 mAh in most parts of the world — but only 5,500 mAh in Germany (rated capacity: 5,350 mAh) — and supports wired charging at up to 90 watts with a suitable power adapter. Wireless charging is available at up to 50 Watts, while the phone supports reverse wireless charging at up to 5 Watts. The manufacturer has not given a reason for the battery’s massive reduction.

    The Signature 27 is also the manufacturer’s first model developed in collaboration with audio experts Bang & Olufsen. The company says, “Special sound modes and an entirely new speaker architecture are designed to preserve the original sound character of recordings.” A review will show how good the devices sound.

    Four camera sensors on the back

    The phone has four camera sensors on the back. The periscope telephoto camera has a 200-megapixel sensor, while the wide-angle camera and the ultrawide-angle camera each have a 50-megapixel sensor. The wide-angle camera uses Sony’s LOFIC-capable Lytia-L910 sensor, which is also found in Vivo’s X500 Pro Max, for example. LOFIC is designed, among other things, to prevent bright areas of an image from becoming overexposed. Sony also says it reduces image noise in low-light conditions and captures scenes with high contrast using smooth gradations.

    The fourth sensor on the back is an EVS action sensor — the first in a smartphone, according to the manufacturer. The sensor offers “new possibilities for photographing moving subjects and captures even fast movement with impressive clarity and precision,” Motorola says. When used with the Action Shot feature, the sensor freezes motion and makes “optimal use of available light.” The front camera has a 50-megapixel sensor.

    Android 17 and GrapheneOS support

    On the software side, the Signature 27 comes with Android 17 preinstalled, along with the usual Google services, Gemini, and Gemini Intelligence. Motorola says it also includes the new Rambler voice dictation feature, which Google introduced with the Pixel 11 series. It also includes “Create My Widget,” a feature that lets users create widgets to their specifications. The feature is also available, for example, on the Android-based Googlebooks; it is not yet available on Android smartphones.

    The phone also supports “Motorola Qira.” This AI platform is designed to help compatible Motorola and Lenovo devices work better together. Like the first Signature model, it is set to receive seven years of Android updates and security patches, which is still rare for Motorola. This commitment also meets the requirements of software partner GrapheneOS.

    The two sides announced their partnership on the Google-free-by-default, security-focused custom ROM GrapheneOS at MWC earlier this year. Motorola says it worked with the GrapheneOS Foundation to develop the integration of the custom ROM’s security requirements. The goal of the collaboration is to “make cutting-edge security technologies accessible to smartphone users around the world.” Motorola has not said when GrapheneOS will be available for the device; the custom ROM’s developers have so far consistently pointed to 2027.

    In March, Motorola said it wanted to redefine smartphone security with GrapheneOS. With the custom ROM, devices running GrapheneOS receive a “reinforced security core” and “protection against sophisticated threats.” It also puts “privacy first.” The manufacturer also promised that GrapheneOS would give users better control over their data and let them more precisely choose which data leaves the device.

    The Motorola Signature 27 is expected to go on sale in Germany over the coming weeks for €1,899.

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